^^ but why Daniel and not Kate, or was that the "old feud" rearing it's ugly head. If Mark acknowledges that all that was Daniels fault, then surely he should of brought Kate back in for doing sod all, much like he was accusing Lauran of.
Mark is pathetic
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Originally Posted by Philip Wales:
“^^ but why Daniel and not Kate, or was that the "old feud" rearing it's ugly head. If Mark acknowledges that all that was Daniels fault, then surely he should of brought Kate back in for doing sod all, much like he was accusing Lauran of.”
“^^ but why Daniel and not Kate, or was that the "old feud" rearing it's ugly head. If Mark acknowledges that all that was Daniels fault, then surely he should of brought Kate back in for doing sod all, much like he was accusing Lauran of.”
I'm guessing, obviously, but from what I've observed I'd say his thought process might have been:
1. Lauren's done nothing. I'll bring her in.
2. Felipe wasn't great, but everyone knows Apprentice TV ads are rubbish because no one has any experience in them. His ad was less bad than Bianca's, so unfair to bring him in.
3. So, Daniel or Katie? Have to bring in one but not both. I'd argue they were both equally at fault for what they did (although Mark did acknowledge they gave 100%), but it was Daniel who made grandiose claims about his creativity and Daniel who, over the previous tasks, has consistently failed to deliver on his promises. Even before considering their feud, picking Daniel was an easy choice, even though I'm sure Mark was fully aware that it would look like a personal issue, hence his emphasis on "regrettably".
Originally Posted by Philip Wales:
“^^ but why Daniel and not Kate, or was that the "old feud" rearing it's ugly head. If Mark acknowledges that all that was Daniels fault, then surely he should of brought Kate back in for doing sod all, much like he was accusing Lauran of.”
“^^ but why Daniel and not Kate, or was that the "old feud" rearing it's ugly head. If Mark acknowledges that all that was Daniels fault, then surely he should of brought Kate back in for doing sod all, much like he was accusing Lauran of.”
The task failed primarily because of the poor branding. Daniel 'took credit' for the branding and the creative side while Katie was seemingly responsible for the actual drink.
Mark isn't stupid. He knew that of the three (Lauren, Daniel and Katie), Katie was least likely to be fired. She's not on Sugar's radar at all (she performed well as PM despite being practically invisible since). Lauren was. And Mark HAD to bring in the person who screwed up the branding, which as a bonus, was his nemesis and someone who's also in Sugar's line of sight (right behind Lauren).
Felipe keeps dodging the bullet. His direction was abysmal, and was lucky the other teams ad was worse. He gets away with it week on week purely because he's a nice guy. He should have been brought into the boardroom for creating a bland advert, and one of the sub team for branding poorly, Katie had just as much involvement in that as Daniel, so she could have been brought in easily, Mark just hates Dan and saw it as a good chance to get rid.
^^ Got to agree, plus I don't think Daniel's is on LS's radar (not so much) , he was, but after last week and this week, when he's actual stood up to mark, I think LS can see some "fire in his belly" Ls's even said to Mark "why did you bring Daniel back?".
Daniel's branding was awful, but so was Felipe's add, and that has as much to do with branding as anything.
Daniel's branding was awful, but so was Felipe's add, and that has as much to do with branding as anything.
Daniel AND Katies branding was awful, Dan was singled out for something done by two people, which immediately made him safe from a firing, unless Dan talked himself into it.
Felipe very well could have been fired if he had been brought in, for poor work this week and average work in other weeks...can you actually think of a single exceptional thing the guy has done all series?
Felipe very well could have been fired if he had been brought in, for poor work this week and average work in other weeks...can you actually think of a single exceptional thing the guy has done all series?
Originally Posted by Philip Wales:
“^^ Got to agree, plus I don't think Daniel's is on LS's radar (not so much) , he was, but after last week and this week, when he's actual stood up to mark, I think LS can see some "fire in his belly" Ls's even said to Mark "why did you bring Daniel back?".
Daniel's branding was awful, but so was Felipe's add, and that has as much to do with branding as anything.”
“^^ Got to agree, plus I don't think Daniel's is on LS's radar (not so much) , he was, but after last week and this week, when he's actual stood up to mark, I think LS can see some "fire in his belly" Ls's even said to Mark "why did you bring Daniel back?".
Daniel's branding was awful, but so was Felipe's add, and that has as much to do with branding as anything.”
All Apprentice ads are crap, though. It's always going to happen - you give a rank amateur a day and negligible budget to create an ad that in the real world would take a team of professionals at an ad agency several weeks and tens of thousands of pounds to plan and execute. (I still think Felipe's not much cop, but I don't think you can crucify him solely on his ad.)
Although Daniel is also crap, he's always willing to get involved. That does count for something - it's a key characteristic of what Sugar needs in his business partner. The problem is that Daniel's effort doesn't translate into good outputs. I genuinely believe he (just) deserved to survive this week, but I'll be amazed if he survives beyond the next week or two.
Originally Posted by The Rhydler:
“Daniel AND Katies branding was awful, Dan was singled out for something done by two people, which immediately made him safe from a firing, unless Dan talked himself into it.
Felipe very well could have been fired if he had been brought in, for poor work this week and average work in other weeks...can you actually think of a single exceptional thing the guy has done all series?”
“Daniel AND Katies branding was awful, Dan was singled out for something done by two people, which immediately made him safe from a firing, unless Dan talked himself into it.
Felipe very well could have been fired if he had been brought in, for poor work this week and average work in other weeks...can you actually think of a single exceptional thing the guy has done all series?”
I don't really understand why Felipe is still there. I'm not placing too much blame on him for producing a poor ad - all Apprentice ads are poor because making a good one is hard - but his contribution in a commercial sense thus far is no better than Lauren's was. (He sold a few coach tour tickets and he has decent people management skills, I think, but an entrepreneur? No.)
Originally Posted by The Rhydler:
“Daniel AND Katies branding was awful, Dan was singled out for something done by two people, which immediately made him safe from a firing, unless Dan talked himself into it.
Felipe very well could have been fired if he had been brought in, for poor work this week and average work in other weeks...can you actually think of a single exceptional thing the guy has done all series?”
“Daniel AND Katies branding was awful, Dan was singled out for something done by two people, which immediately made him safe from a firing, unless Dan talked himself into it.
Felipe very well could have been fired if he had been brought in, for poor work this week and average work in other weeks...can you actually think of a single exceptional thing the guy has done all series?”
Nope not really his talk on the boat was awful, but as has been mentioned on YBF he's a nice guy, just gets on with his job. Can't see him making it past many more weeks.
Originally Posted by chrono88:
“He is getting more and more villainous. Love the feud between him and Dan.
Good TV.”
“He is getting more and more villainous. Love the feud between him and Dan.
Good TV.”
Its because of this that Lauren went - their simmering feud (whether its real or not) is good entertainment (certainly more entertaining than the rest of the show). Had Mark taken Felipe (who should have gone in week 1 or 2) or Katie in - I think Lauren would have been safe for a while longer.
Originally Posted by slouchingthatch:
“I don't really understand why Felipe is still there. I'm not placing too much blame on him for producing a poor ad - all Apprentice ads are poor because making a good one is hard - but his contribution in a commercial sense thus far is no better than Lauren's was. (He sold a few coach tour tickets and he has decent people management skills, I think, but an entrepreneur? No.)”
“I don't really understand why Felipe is still there. I'm not placing too much blame on him for producing a poor ad - all Apprentice ads are poor because making a good one is hard - but his contribution in a commercial sense thus far is no better than Lauren's was. (He sold a few coach tour tickets and he has decent people management skills, I think, but an entrepreneur? No.)”
I was surprised when Sugar told Lauren she wasn't for him, she looks every inch the business woman, and she should have given one last chance, with Sugar making sure she is PM for the task regardless. Felipe has led on a task, has lost, and has done so little all round.
Originally Posted by Philip Wales:
“Nope not really his talk on the boat was awful, but as has been mentioned on YBF he's a nice guy, just gets on with his job. Can't see him making it past many more weeks.”
“Nope not really his talk on the boat was awful, but as has been mentioned on YBF he's a nice guy, just gets on with his job. Can't see him making it past many more weeks.”
But does he get on with his job? He does f*** all as far as I can see.
Originally Posted by sheila blige:
“Its because of this that Lauren went - their simmering feud (whether its real or not) is good entertainment (certainly more entertaining than the rest of the show). Had Mark taken Felipe (who should have gone in week 1 or 2) or Katie in - I think Lauren would have been safe for a while longer.”
“Its because of this that Lauren went - their simmering feud (whether its real or not) is good entertainment (certainly more entertaining than the rest of the show). Had Mark taken Felipe (who should have gone in week 1 or 2) or Katie in - I think Lauren would have been safe for a while longer.”
Couldn't agree more. There's no sensible reason why anyone would keep Daniel in. He's a total liability. He's there for entertainment.
I agree Felipe would have gone in a battle against Daniel and possibly Lauren. Katie might have survived though...I find her unremarkable but she did at least PM her task according to instruction.
You say he's a liability but he won when PM which is more than many of them. Ok his win may not be down to him in any way, but in 3 years time all that counts is the win, not how you won. As he said "I'd rather win ugly than lose beautifully".
Originally Posted by The Rhydler:
“I was surprised when Sugar told Lauren she wasn't for him, she looks every inch the business woman, and she should have given one last chance, with Sugar making sure she is PM for the task regardless. Felipe has led on a task, has lost, and has done so little all round.”
“I was surprised when Sugar told Lauren she wasn't for him, she looks every inch the business woman, and she should have given one last chance, with Sugar making sure she is PM for the task regardless. Felipe has led on a task, has lost, and has done so little all round.”
No argument about Felipe.
My view on Lauren is quite the opposite. Smart, articulate, analytical, calm - yes. A good tour guide? Yes, exceptional. A contributor of ideas? To some degree. A saleswoman? No. Someone who takes an idea and commercialises it in terms of sales/pricing strategy, marketing, pitching, assertiveness and other decision-making - all key things Sugar needs from a business partner? I didn't see that from her at all.
Don't get me wrong. Lauren's no fool and she deserved to get at least this far. But while she never really did anything to give Sugar an active reason to fire her, she gave him no compelling reason to keep her either. We know that Mark can sell, as can Solomon. Katie seems efficient and quietly gets stuff done. Roisin is creative. Daniel, er, tries hard.
Lauren's what I'd call a safe pair of hands. I'd trust her to manage a project and not make errors, but would I trust her to take a £250,000 investment and convert it into £1m? Absolutely not, based on the evidence I've seen.
Originally Posted by Philip Wales:
“You say he's a liability but he won when PM which is more than many of them. Ok his win may not be down to him in any way, but in 3 years time all that counts is the win, not how you won. As he said "I'd rather win ugly than lose beautifully".”
“You say he's a liability but he won when PM which is more than many of them. Ok his win may not be down to him in any way, but in 3 years time all that counts is the win, not how you won. As he said "I'd rather win ugly than lose beautifully".”
There's too much stock placed in both task wins and PM wins. Sugar is looking for certain skills and behaviours. Winning a task - as we have seen so many times - often comes down to fine margins or a bit of luck. And winning the series comes down to having an investable business plan more than it does W-L record (as with Tom Pellereau).
The tasks themselves aren't meaningless, of course, but it's so much more than who wins and who loses.
Although I think Solomon and to a lesser degree Sanjay have attributes that would bode well in a business partnership, I haven't seen anything from them which is better than anything Lauren has done. Solomon has a good chance of winning, I think his BP will be something that Sugar goes for, coming from a technology background himself, but has he been better than Lauren in the seven weeks? If he has then its marginal. Lauren has never let herself down personally, never coming out with the bloated bullshit that the likes of Daniel and James do, if he continually lets James off the hook after letdown after letdown (despite 'trying') surely Lauren was worth one more go with an enforced PM-ship??
Originally Posted by slouchingthatch:
“There's too much stock placed in both task wins and PM wins. Sugar is looking for certain skills and behaviours. Winning a task - as we have seen so many times - often comes down to fine margins or a bit of luck. And winning the series comes down to having an investable business plan more than it does W-L record (as with Tom Pellereau).
The tasks themselves aren't meaningless, of course, but it's so much more than who wins and who loses.”
“There's too much stock placed in both task wins and PM wins. Sugar is looking for certain skills and behaviours. Winning a task - as we have seen so many times - often comes down to fine margins or a bit of luck. And winning the series comes down to having an investable business plan more than it does W-L record (as with Tom Pellereau).
The tasks themselves aren't meaningless, of course, but it's so much more than who wins and who loses.”
By naming Tom, you have proved what I'm saying about Lauren. Tom was in show terms, a complete and utter loser, and would have trouble selling ice to eskimos...but he won with a superior BP. Which makes a sham of the show in all honesty.
Problem is since his dressing down, Jame's has been in the winning team, so has avoided LS. The other week LS was most upset, that James won his PM so he couldn't get fired.
I wonder with this format LS fired to many people straight of the bat, it would be nice to have people even on winning teams to still have "squeeky bum time" in the boardroom.
I wonder with this format LS fired to many people straight of the bat, it would be nice to have people even on winning teams to still have "squeeky bum time" in the boardroom.
Originally Posted by Philip Wales:
“Problem is since his dressing down, Jame's has been in the winning team, so has avoided LS. The other week LS was most upset, that James won his PM so he couldn't get fired.
I wonder with this format LS fired to many people straight of the bat, it would be nice to have people even on winning teams to still have "squeeky bum time" in the boardroom.”
“Problem is since his dressing down, Jame's has been in the winning team, so has avoided LS. The other week LS was most upset, that James won his PM so he couldn't get fired.
I wonder with this format LS fired to many people straight of the bat, it would be nice to have people even on winning teams to still have "squeeky bum time" in the boardroom.”
Maybe he should start firing people from the winning team? Unprofessionalism is unprofessionalism in whichever team you're in
Originally Posted by The Rhydler:
“Although I think Solomon and to a lesser degree Sanjay have attributes that would bode well in a business partnership, I haven't seen anything from them which is better than anything Lauren has done. Solomon has a good chance of winning, I think his BP will be something that Sugar goes for, coming from a technology background himself, but has he been better than Lauren in the seven weeks? If he has then its marginal. Lauren has never let herself down personally, never coming out with the bloated bullshit that the likes of Daniel and James do, if he continually lets James off the hook after letdown after letdown (despite 'trying') surely Lauren was worth one more go with an enforced PM-ship??”
“Although I think Solomon and to a lesser degree Sanjay have attributes that would bode well in a business partnership, I haven't seen anything from them which is better than anything Lauren has done. Solomon has a good chance of winning, I think his BP will be something that Sugar goes for, coming from a technology background himself, but has he been better than Lauren in the seven weeks? If he has then its marginal. Lauren has never let herself down personally, never coming out with the bloated bullshit that the likes of Daniel and James do, if he continually lets James off the hook after letdown after letdown (despite 'trying') surely Lauren was worth one more go with an enforced PM-ship??”
Solomon has sold far better than Lauren. We saw him doing well on the coach tours task (by flirting with young women) and he also closed the deal with Waterstones last week despite Bianca's Westminster gaffe.
Originally Posted by Philip Wales:
“You say he's a liability but he won when PM which is more than many of them. Ok his win may not be down to him in any way, but in 3 years time all that counts is the win, not how you won. As he said "I'd rather win ugly than lose beautifully".”
“You say he's a liability but he won when PM which is more than many of them. Ok his win may not be down to him in any way, but in 3 years time all that counts is the win, not how you won. As he said "I'd rather win ugly than lose beautifully".”
All that counts isn't the win. All a win does is spare you the boardroom that week.
Daniel was lucky to win that week. It was by default and not design. Fact is, he's been a pivotal player in the FAILURE of more tasks than any other candidate (Bianca has made two catastrophic errors but hasnt been a blundering disaster ALL of the time though I don't rate her at all. Plus she's not delusional).
Factor in that as well as making task-losing errors, he's not sold or pitched well and what are you left with? A liability.
Originally Posted by The Rhydler:
“Ok...he can sell.
What else?”
“Ok...he can sell.
What else?”
Indeed. I remember when at one time in The Apprentice (many years ago perhaps) Sugar used to say 'I'm not after a bleedin' salesman'.
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