Before she messed up with the exclusive territory deal she was not doing anything wrong and was only giving suggestions and seemed to do be working well but James was being a **** as usually and started having a go at her for no reason. Glad she stood her ground, she is right a fool always has to say something and James is the biggest fool going.
Why did James have a go at Bianca?
1 of 2
Bianca is a woman, and I guess that James in his own words "needs to put her in her place".
Can't have ladies trying to offer helpful advice because they get all emotional and irrational when men are trying to do important business.
It's very annoying that I have to admit that James did well in terms of getting a result in the task and that Bianca did make a terrible mistake which would have probably got her fired if their team had lost.
Can't have ladies trying to offer helpful advice because they get all emotional and irrational when men are trying to do important business.
It's very annoying that I have to admit that James did well in terms of getting a result in the task and that Bianca did make a terrible mistake which would have probably got her fired if their team had lost.
James has a go at blokes too but being a short lad I dare say he feels 'safer' showing his anger at the ladies.
Bianca was trying to 'lead' on the photo task over her PM and silenced him when he tried to make a suggestion, normally this would be fine, but he was PM and deserves respect enough to be heard
And then she made the biggest fu** up of all, this after her clever 'fool' monologue
Bianca was trying to 'lead' on the photo task over her PM and silenced him when he tried to make a suggestion, normally this would be fine, but he was PM and deserves respect enough to be heard
And then she made the biggest fu** up of all, this after her clever 'fool' monologue
same reason basically that PMs always have a go at someone in their team for a mistake , they want to have an obvious scapegoat ready to cover their own back should their team lose the task
in this case he was probably right tho , it was an extremely careless mistake and she deserved it
in this case he was probably right tho , it was an extremely careless mistake and she deserved it
I think we have to be careful about jumping to conclusions as we were only shown tiny bits of an argument that had clearly been building all day. James' attitude towards Bianca was not good - I do wonder if he has a problem with women - but equally we did see a bit of Bianca chipping away at him during the photo shoot, offering "helpful suggestions" and so on.
To me, it looked like James did shut her out a bit but equally Bianca was desperately trying to show that she was contributing. Was that fair enough or did she push too far? It's hard to tell from the snippets we saw. My guess is there was an element of fault on both sides.
Mind you, Bianca's subsequent exclusivity trip-up meant that if Summit had lost she would surely have been fired regardless of any of James' failings (and, to be fair, while he was dictatorial I thought he had his best week so far by a distance).
To me, it looked like James did shut her out a bit but equally Bianca was desperately trying to show that she was contributing. Was that fair enough or did she push too far? It's hard to tell from the snippets we saw. My guess is there was an element of fault on both sides.
Mind you, Bianca's subsequent exclusivity trip-up meant that if Summit had lost she would surely have been fired regardless of any of James' failings (and, to be fair, while he was dictatorial I thought he had his best week so far by a distance).
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“Bianca is a woman, and I guess that James in his own words "needs to put her in her place".
Can't have ladies trying to offer helpful advice because they get all emotional and irrational when men are trying to do important business.
It's very annoying that I have to admit that James did well in terms of getting a result in the task and that Bianca did make a terrible mistake which would have probably got her fired if their team had lost.”
“Bianca is a woman, and I guess that James in his own words "needs to put her in her place".
Can't have ladies trying to offer helpful advice because they get all emotional and irrational when men are trying to do important business.
It's very annoying that I have to admit that James did well in terms of getting a result in the task and that Bianca did make a terrible mistake which would have probably got her fired if their team had lost.”
He was demeaning and overbearing with Roisin as well as Bianca. Definite red flag re. 'dodgy attitude to women'.
But by gum, Bianca has made two disastrous mistakes now in succession. I don't know if it was foot-in-mouth syndrome brought on by pressure or if she just genuinely lacks commercial instincts. She's lucky to still be there.
Originally Posted by Scarlet O'Hara:
“He was demeaning and overbearing with Roisin as well as Bianca. Definite red flag re. 'dodgy attitude to women'.
But by gum, Bianca has made two disastrous mistakes now in succession. I don't know if it was foot-in-mouth syndrome brought on by pressure or if she just genuinely lacks commercial instincts. She's lucky to still be there.”
“He was demeaning and overbearing with Roisin as well as Bianca. Definite red flag re. 'dodgy attitude to women'.
But by gum, Bianca has made two disastrous mistakes now in succession. I don't know if it was foot-in-mouth syndrome brought on by pressure or if she just genuinely lacks commercial instincts. She's lucky to still be there.”
Yeah, I get that the candidates are under pressure and it might have been a slip of the tongue, but the fact that it didn't seem to even occur to her that she had made an error until she spoke to James was a bug red flag. Indeed, she seemed delighted to have closed the deal.
Bianca's from London too, so she should have been aware enough of London's geography to know how big Westminster is (it's basically the whole of central London). And if she wasn't sure, she should have checked first!
Having said that, Bianca wasn't the only person in that sub-team. Someone should have corrected the error.
I feel like he was trying to pin blame on someone so he could keep that up if they lost (this was before Bianca made an obvious error, so it would be easy to pin the blame on her). Having said that, we only see a small amount of the footage. It is entirely possible that had we seen the whole day with James and Bianca we'd have supported him, but who knows?
James was leading the photo shoot and Bianca kept butting in and talking over him, which was very unprofessional. So he told her so.
Dodgy attitude to women? What utter nonsense.
He's been dismissive towards pretty much every person in the house at one time or another, male or female.
He's been dismissive towards pretty much every person in the house at one time or another, male or female.
At the end of the day, if she wants to be PM and have a say in the running of things, then step up, otherwise shut up and do as your told. They had ago a James as he ran his PM as a dictatorship, nothing wrong with that, thats often the most efficient form of government. Can't be doing with all this "lets sit down and discuss things" to the enth degree. As James would say "my balls are on the line" if this goes wrong, then you can blame me.
I think it was just James being James, and he dint really have any reason to speak to her that way. He doesn't like people who question him or inthis case, don't allow him to interrupt. And that really got his goat. Bianca is one of those people whose manner can wind you up the wrong way, I reckon. She does annoy me a little bit and she's not as competent as she makes out given her double whammy of massive sales errors in the last two tasks. But James was out of line.
In any case though, James had every right to be mad at her later for the exclusitivy shambles. That deserved an instant firing.
In any case though, James had every right to be mad at her later for the exclusitivy shambles. That deserved an instant firing.
Originally Posted by Philip Wales:
“At the end of the day, if she wants to be PM and have a say in the running of things, then step up, otherwise shut up and do as your told. They had ago a James as he ran his PM as a dictatorship, nothing wrong with that, thats often the most efficient form of government. Can't be doing with all this "lets sit down and discuss things" to the enth degree. As James would say "my balls are on the line" if this goes wrong, then you can blame me.”
“At the end of the day, if she wants to be PM and have a say in the running of things, then step up, otherwise shut up and do as your told. They had ago a James as he ran his PM as a dictatorship, nothing wrong with that, thats often the most efficient form of government. Can't be doing with all this "lets sit down and discuss things" to the enth degree. As James would say "my balls are on the line" if this goes wrong, then you can blame me.”
Tasks as PM for Bianca: Zero. I don't recall her even trying to be PM in any task - she's always seen reversing away from the scene of the crime with undue haste. Mark and Lauren have a lot to prove to Sugar in terms of their leadership qualities, but so does Bianca.
Originally Posted by slouchingthatch:
“Tasks as PM for Bianca: Zero. I don't recall her even trying to be PM in any task - she's always seen reversing away from the scene of the crime with undue haste. Mark and Lauren have a lot to prove to Sugar in terms of their leadership qualities, but so does Bianca.”
“Tasks as PM for Bianca: Zero. I don't recall her even trying to be PM in any task - she's always seen reversing away from the scene of the crime with undue haste. Mark and Lauren have a lot to prove to Sugar in terms of their leadership qualities, but so does Bianca.”
Yeah, Bianca is one of the most blatant arse-coverers we've ever had on the show. I can think of at least three episodes where she's started planning for the boardroom within the first 20 minutes of the episode.
Unless there's a team shake-up next week (there might be actually), Bianca has to be PM next week, surely? Mark and Lauren will fight it out for PM but I expect Lauren to do it. Will be interesting to see them both as PM.
Just a case of him interpreting PM role as being "in charge" and thinking that means barking out orders and the others being irrelevant.
Thought it was a bit off when that shop owner suggested and asked for exclusivity and that somehow spun into being his idea just cos he said "yes" (and probably didn't know what it meant)?
Thought it was a bit off when that shop owner suggested and asked for exclusivity and that somehow spun into being his idea just cos he said "yes" (and probably didn't know what it meant)?
Originally Posted by Dr. Linus:
“Yeah, Bianca is one of the most blatant arse-coverers we've ever had on the show. I can think of at least three episodes where she's started planning for the boardroom within the first 20 minutes of the episode.
Unless there's a team shake-up next week (there might be actually), Bianca has to be PM next week, surely? Mark and Lauren will fight it out for PM but I expect Lauren to do it. Will be interesting to see them both as PM.”
“Yeah, Bianca is one of the most blatant arse-coverers we've ever had on the show. I can think of at least three episodes where she's started planning for the boardroom within the first 20 minutes of the episode.
Unless there's a team shake-up next week (there might be actually), Bianca has to be PM next week, surely? Mark and Lauren will fight it out for PM but I expect Lauren to do it. Will be interesting to see them both as PM.”
Well, if Lord Sugar doesn't appoint the Project Managers, it depends what the team thinks. Usually in the past they've let people who haven't done it yet give it a shot, but not always. Last year Alex kept putting himself forward and not being chosen, and in the end Lord Sugar had to appoint him.
Originally Posted by george.millman:
“Well, if Lord Sugar doesn't appoint the Project Managers, it depends what the team thinks. Usually in the past they've let people who haven't done it yet give it a shot, but not always. Last year Alex kept putting himself forward and not being chosen, and in the end Lord Sugar had to appoint him.”
“Well, if Lord Sugar doesn't appoint the Project Managers, it depends what the team thinks. Usually in the past they've let people who haven't done it yet give it a shot, but not always. Last year Alex kept putting himself forward and not being chosen, and in the end Lord Sugar had to appoint him.”
Yeah, but usually - not always, but usually - if there's only one person left who hasn't PM'd, they will be first choice within their team unless there's a serious reason not to go with them. Alex last year was a rare and weird exception. The point I was getting at though is that I suspect Bianca doesn't want to be PM (she has said no 3 or 4 times now) but she will have little excuse next week. She doesn't technically have to do it but there's still room for another double firing or two and I suspect she would be instantly fired if she was in the same team and actively refused it next week.
Originally Posted by roger_50:
“Dodgy attitude to women? What utter nonsense.
He's been dismissive towards pretty much every person in the house at one time or another, male or female.”
“Dodgy attitude to women? What utter nonsense.
He's been dismissive towards pretty much every person in the house at one time or another, male or female.”
I wouldn't be so sure that it's nonsense about his attitude to women due to the particular language he was using. It reminded me very much of 'women should know their place'. It's true that he can be aggressive with one or two of the men, but I just don't think he would have said a couple of the same things he said to Bianca.
Mind you, it does look like something petty which works both ways. I personally felt that Bianca only made that stupid exclusivity offer because she didn't want to be outdone by James.
Can somebody remind me what her huge error last week was because I've forgotten?
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“I wouldn't be so sure that it's nonsense about his attitude to women due to the particular language he was using. It reminded me very much of 'women should know their place'. It's true that he can be aggressive with one or two of the men, but I just don't think he would have said a couple of the same things he said to Bianca.
Mind you, it does look like something petty which works both ways. I personally felt that Bianca only made that stupid exclusivity offer because she didn't want to be outdone by James.
Can somebody remind me what her huge error last week was because I've forgotten?”
“I wouldn't be so sure that it's nonsense about his attitude to women due to the particular language he was using. It reminded me very much of 'women should know their place'. It's true that he can be aggressive with one or two of the men, but I just don't think he would have said a couple of the same things he said to Bianca.
Mind you, it does look like something petty which works both ways. I personally felt that Bianca only made that stupid exclusivity offer because she didn't want to be outdone by James.
Can somebody remind me what her huge error last week was because I've forgotten?”
She told a group of potential customers that they were the last people that they were speaking to. That meant that they were pretty much desperate to sell their last few tickets, and gave the customers the freedom to try to negotiate the price down even further.
Originally Posted by Philip Wales:
“At the end of the day, if she wants to be PM and have a say in the running of things, then step up, otherwise shut up and do as your told. They had ago a James as he ran his PM as a dictatorship, nothing wrong with that, thats often the most efficient form of government. Can't be doing with all this "lets sit down and discuss things" to the enth degree. As James would say "my balls are on the line" if this goes wrong, then you can blame me.”
“At the end of the day, if she wants to be PM and have a say in the running of things, then step up, otherwise shut up and do as your told. They had ago a James as he ran his PM as a dictatorship, nothing wrong with that, thats often the most efficient form of government. Can't be doing with all this "lets sit down and discuss things" to the enth degree. As James would say "my balls are on the line" if this goes wrong, then you can blame me.”
Actually, autocratic leadership can be disastrous in business on a long-term basis because it destroys motivation and morale, and it limits input from the potentially talented people you have around you. Yeah, it does have benefits in situations that are time-pressured and high risk like Apprentice tasks or in sectors like the military. It also works if a team is inexperienced or lazy rather than motivated and high-achievers like Apprentice candidates.
So I agree that there's a time and a place for autocracy and I can see why a task on the Apprentice would suit that style if you want to get results and you trust yourself. But it's incredibly high risk given Sugar's propensity to sack the PM and the fact that your leadership skills are under scrutiny. We know Sugar likes that kind of courage and he's old school himself but I'm not convinced James CHOSE this style deliberately for the task at hand, adapting like a good leader would, or if he just is an autocrat. I suspect the latter cos he's arrogant and has poor interpersonal skills.
Originally Posted by george.millman:
“She told a group of potential customers that they were the last people that they were speaking to. That meant that they were pretty much desperate to sell their last few tickets, and gave the customers the freedom to try to negotiate the price down even further.”
“She told a group of potential customers that they were the last people that they were speaking to. That meant that they were pretty much desperate to sell their last few tickets, and gave the customers the freedom to try to negotiate the price down even further.”
Ah yes of course. Thanks.
His default criminal, thuggish side came to the surface when he was having a go at her: found it quite uncomfortable. And yet there are still people on here who really like him, some of whom even fancy him.
Go figure.
Go figure.
1 of 2
