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Old 13-11-2014, 23:09
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In the interview about a train crash, where he stated he was "well aware of the criticism he receives". Why doesn't he do anything about it? Instead of trying to help his career, why did he simply ignore the criticism and do a train crash? I was quite appalled when I read that he knows all too well about the show's controversy. Someone wipe the smug expression off his face. And demote him to a cleaner - The power has gone to his head!
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Old 13-11-2014, 23:13
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except hollyoaks are getting their highest no of viewers for three years, have won a best soap award and will win a no for the train crash so you can prob see why he looks smug, he doesnt need to pay any attention to the criticism
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Old 13-11-2014, 23:16
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except hollyoaks are getting their highest no of viewers for three years, have won a best soap award and will win a no for the train crash so you can prob see why he looks smug, he doesnt need to pay any attention to the criticism
On E4 yet the Ch4 ratings look low and bellow 1 million.


I don't think that Train stunt was up to much tbh. I think Emmerdale will likely win the stunt award with whatever they have lined up.

It did win best soap but then that's what happens when your TV channel promotes It to death. Maybe BBC1 and ITV need to be smarter next year.

I'd feel bad if I was him.

Started on a small soap ,Got a job on a big soap but was no good so got pushed and back to that small soap again

It's like working for Tesco then getting a Job in a Big bank only to get the sack and end up at Lidl

While he is at Hollyoaks he's not ruining the other 3 iconic soaps I suppose.
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Old 13-11-2014, 23:22
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except hollyoaks are getting their highest no of viewers for three years, have won a best soap award and will win a no for the train crash so you can prob see why he looks smug, he doesnt need to pay any attention to the criticism

you are right he doesn't, but only an arrogant t**t and a half would do that.

perhaps kirkwood has a lot in common with the hat.
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Old 13-11-2014, 23:23
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I liken Hollyoaks to having a McDonalds. It tastes good but doesn't fill you. I wouldn't even say it's a 'soap' anymore. It's some OTT Americanised fantasy drama. Increasing the audience has been at the cost of moving the show away from what it once was. It's keeping the kids/twitter sphere happy but all credibility has been sucked out of it.

A story conference must consist of who can come up with the most outlandish twist to 'surprise' the audience and/or continue a story that has already been dragged out to death (the antics of Patrick & Sienna being the most obvious example). I'm surprised they've managed to keep it going this long with the 'twists' but there has to come a point where they fall into a creative black hole.

You can sort of see why they have gone down this road all shows are losing viewers and Hollyoaks doesn't have the luxury of being watched by several million like the other soaps, so they have to work extra hard to keep their 1m or so happy. I just think they could have gone down this high drama route while retaining believability, they seem to change character's personalities on a whim these days to make the storylines fit.
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Old 13-11-2014, 23:23
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On E4 yet the Ch4 ratings look low and bellow 1 million.


I don't think that Train stunt was up to much tbh. I think Emmerdale will likely win the stunt award with whatever they have lined up.

It did win best soap but then that's what happens when your TV channel promotes It to death. Maybe BBC1 and ITV need to be smarter next year.

I'd feel bad if I was him.

Started on a small soap ,Got a job on a big soap but was no good so got pushed and back to that small soap again

It's like working for Tesco then getting a Job in a Big bank only to get the sack and end up at Lidl


While he is at Hollyoaks he's not ruining the other 3 iconic soaps I suppose.
not really? if you are gonna use thay analogy he would end up back at tescos?

so what if they promoted it they still won, all these people who keep saying its for xxx reason cant get over the fact won, if it was due to promotion or the fact young ppl kept multi voting hollyoaks would have won each category.

channel 4 adds together the viewings for the e4 first look and the normal c4 ep and they are higher than ever. I am sure the channel 4 ep was over 1 mill the other day on the overnights.
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Old 13-11-2014, 23:24
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It's funny to think that only 1 of his creations is still in the show and all the rest have been axed because the viewers hated them.
Two are. Lola and Cora.( And he first introduced Les Coker)
Plus Lauren Recast. And Kids.
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Old 13-11-2014, 23:24
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It's funny to think that only 1 of his creations is still in the show and all the rest have been axed because the viewers hated them.
his only saving grace is ann mitchell. that was the only decent thing he did, cast ann.
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Old 13-11-2014, 23:26
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Two are. Lola and Cora.( And he first introduced Les Coker)
Plus Lauren Recast. And Kids.
Yeah I forgot about Lola
His recast of Lauren was a great one
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Old 13-11-2014, 23:27
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not really? if you are gonna use thay analogy he would end up back at tescos?

so what if they promoted it they still won, all these people who keep saying its for xxx reason cant get over the fact won, if it was due to promotion or the fact young ppl kept multi voting hollyoaks would have won each category.

channel 4 adds together the viewings for the e4 first look and the normal c4 ep and they are higher than ever. I am sure the channel 4 ep was over 1 mill the other day on the overnights.
Channel 4 don't add the showings together because they are not allowed. The E4 first look gets a separate rating.

Hollyoaks has been much higher before. I've seen the Ch4 showing hit and pass 2 million viewers .
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Old 13-11-2014, 23:28
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Kirkwood did introduce Michael Moon to EastEnders who wasn't axed. I don't rate his work on either show (EE/Hollyoaks) but credit where it's due with Cora and Michael.
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Old 13-11-2014, 23:29
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Kirkwood did introduce Michael Moon to EastEnders who wasn't axed. I don't rate his work on either show (EE/Hollyoaks) but credit where it's due with Cora and Michael.
I wasn't keen on Michael Moon tbh but yeah he was pretty popular. I don't think DTC would have kept him on though tbh.
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Old 13-11-2014, 23:31
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Channel 4 don't add the showings together because they are not allowed. The E4 first look gets a separate rating.

Hollyoaks has been much higher before. I've seen the Ch4 showing hit and pass 2 million viewers .
yes they do. If you had read the interview he did, it is mentioned about the ratings being added together. so for channel 4 thats what they take into account there is no "not being allowed" about it.
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Old 13-11-2014, 23:32
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People on twitter are so annoying saying eastenders seriously needs to takes notes from hollyoaks for a good week and eastenders is so dead compared to hollyoaks it makes me angry how immature they are
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Old 13-11-2014, 23:35
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People on twitter are so annoying saying eastenders needs to takes notes from hollyoaks for a good week and eastenders is so dead compared to hollyoaks it makes me angry how immature they are
they obviously weren't doing their homework. don't worry they will back at school tomorrow.
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Old 13-11-2014, 23:35
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yes they do. If you had read the interview he did, it is mentioned about the ratings being added together. so for channel 4 thats what they take into account there is no "not being allowed" about it.
They might add them together but BARB doesn't they are rated separate. If Channel 4 done this so would ITV and the BBC.

Go to BARB and see Hollyoaks Channel 4 and E4 ratings are separate and check out the rules and the way ratings are measured
http://www.barb.co.uk/whats-new/weekly-top-30?_s=4
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Old 13-11-2014, 23:35
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But why should he listen? Hollyoaks have won best soap, the ratings are high and the general public like it.
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Old 13-11-2014, 23:37
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they obviously weren't doing their homework. don't worry they will back at school tomorrow.
It is actually annoying seeing their tweets they eastenders to become like hollyoaks because eastenders is apparently dead and rubbish.
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Old 13-11-2014, 23:37
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But Lidl is doing better than Tesco

It's some OTT Americanised fantasy drama. Increasing the audience has been at the cost of moving the show away from what it once was. It's keeping the kids/twitter sphere happy but all credibility has been sucked out of it.
Hope You're not referring to Under The Dome. It's the best drama on telly atm and much better than any soap. I am glad that season 2 has moved away from soap drama and more into fantasy story. I already watch 4 soaps, I don't need another. Much care for what happens to the likes of Barbie, Julia, Big Jim, etc than the Carters & the Lucy beale investigation.
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Old 13-11-2014, 23:43
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But Lidl is doing better than Tesco
Well I never knew that. Then again, hadn't checked out the figures that closely.

Lidl's maybe comparatively speaking plus Tesco's are having difficulties, currently. Not that I'm an expert, or anything
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Old 13-11-2014, 23:45
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I wouldn't mind all these OTT storylines if they had some sort of logic to them but there are frequently plot holes that you could drive a truck through. They never bother tying up any loose ends it's always have one shock reveal/event then move on to the next one.
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Old 13-11-2014, 23:53
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They might add them together but BARB doesn't they are rated separate. If Channel 4 done this so would ITV and the BBC.

Go to BARB and see Hollyoaks Channel 4 and E4 ratings are separate and check out the rules and the way ratings are measured
http://www.barb.co.uk/whats-new/weekly-top-30?_s=4
except I wasn't talking about BARB figures! I was referring to the interview and yes I would say the other channels add in repeats to ensure internally they are meeting targets etc.

channel 4 add them together as stated in the interview. they are happy to base their decisions on the show on that. Barb figures were not mentioned in the interview the poster was referring to and that I subsequently referred to
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Old 13-11-2014, 23:56
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at least newman had a plan, 'love and warmth'

she was just out of her depth.
Love and Warmth. She gave us My Alice. Yeah she was not the best and EE was not great in her time, but at least she tried. At least she did not kill a person off every month for the sake of people vewing the show. Dtc was right about him.

Look at the way the actor that played Billie Jackson was treated.
He sacked him on Hollyoaks and because he couldn't get over himself he axed him on EastEnders too.
Yup proper disgraceful and unprofessional and he ruined both of Devon's characters in the end.
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Old 13-11-2014, 23:59
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except I wasn't talking about BARB figures! I was referring to the interview and yes I would say the other channels add in repeats to ensure internally they are meeting targets etc.

channel 4 add them together as stated in the interview. they are happy to base their decisions on the show on that. Barb figures were not mentioned in the interview the poster was referring to and that I subsequently referred to
Oh yeah of course but then anyone can do that. The way Channel 4 are adding them are not official or anything just a guideline for them. same way as the BBC will look at EastEnders main showing + omnibus +BBC3 +I player because for them unlike Channel4 and ITV total reach is much more important as it's funded by the tax payer.

So when you look at Hollyoaks they look like this (as shown by DS in yesterdays ratings report)
1.1m (5.5%) watched at 7pm on E4 and 235k (1.1%) on E4+1 as the McQueens mourned for Carmel and Dodger heard a life-changing revelation. The show was also the most-watched multichannel programme for the third day running.

Hollyoaks' train crash cast

Earlier, Carmel's tragic exit scenes brought 958k (5.1%) to the traditional 6.30pm slot on Channel 4. 106k (0.5%) caught the episode on Channel 4+1 an hour later.

All showings are separate.

One day Repeats will be added to soaps main showings it's just not happened yet.
BBC I Player is to be included to BBC ratings next year.
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Old 14-11-2014, 00:01
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Love and Warmth. She gave us My Alice. Yeah she was not the best and EE was not great in her time, but at least she tried. At least she did not kill a person off every month for the sake of people vewing the show. Dtc was right about him.



Yup proper disgraceful and unprofessional and he ruined both of Devon's characters in the end.
Of course it is.
Funny thing is Billies death was the best thing he produced on EastEnders
Mind you when you have an outstanding actress like Lindsey Coulson it's not hard I guess.
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