Originally Posted by MysteriousOz:
“A good fan is someone who can accept the positive and negatives”
“A good fan is someone who can accept the positive and negatives”
And that is what i am, unlike a few of the other posters that i have seen on here.
Fleur is in trouble this week
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Originally Posted by Kenneth_Chow:
“Just a little fed up...lol...a little...I'm not hard to provoke...lol...I'm he's hoping to just get a reaction, then I'm pretty easy...”
“Just a little fed up...lol...a little...I'm not hard to provoke...lol...I'm he's hoping to just get a reaction, then I'm pretty easy...”
lol well that is probably true. You have passion for your favourites etc but you do tend to live at least your X Factor life on here in the bottom half of the glass (which alway worries me cos you are obsessed with busses running over people and the sharp knife coming!
Originally Posted by jerefprdterra:
“And that is what i am, unlike a few of the other posters that i have seen on here.”
“And that is what i am, unlike a few of the other posters that i have seen on here.”
lol not what we have seen I am afraid!
Originally Posted by dog_eat_dog:
“It isn't specified - it just smacks of laziness given the theme. Monster Mash fitted the Halloween theme and it was pure luck OTY were familiar with it. Fleur's choice has been shoehorned in out of nowhere and it looks as if she can't hack much outside her comfort zone, tbh.”
“It isn't specified - it just smacks of laziness given the theme. Monster Mash fitted the Halloween theme and it was pure luck OTY were familiar with it. Fleur's choice has been shoehorned in out of nowhere and it looks as if she can't hack much outside her comfort zone, tbh.”
How was it pure luck? Both OTY and Louis would have been fully aware of something the group had learned and performed only a few weeks prior. They chose the song regardless because it doesn't matter if the contestant is familiar with the song or not.
Unless you've heard a sneak peak of the performance already, you wouldn't be aware of whether the arrangement of the song is within her comfort zone or not, so that speculation doesn't add much to the discussion.
Quote:
“Candyman was originally recorded with a Big Band in a 40's style by Christina, inspired by the Andrews Sisters hit 'Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy'. It has strong elements of jazz, blues and swing to it. It's perfectly acceptable for the theme. How is a 2014 Jessie J/Nicki Minaj R&B hit in any way suited to Swing/Jazz/Big Band?”
“Candyman was originally recorded with a Big Band in a 40's style by Christina, inspired by the Andrews Sisters hit 'Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy'. It has strong elements of jazz, blues and swing to it. It's perfectly acceptable for the theme. How is a 2014 Jessie J/Nicki Minaj R&B hit in any way suited to Swing/Jazz/Big Band?”
Candyman is still very much a pop song, despite its jazz/swing elements. Therefore, what's important is not the genre of the song but the style in which it is performed. The Bang Bang choice may have arisen due to its use of horn blasts, and it could easily be arranged to be heavily infused with the Big Band theme by incorporating many more jazz/swing elements. If it's performed in that manner, how would it not be suited?
Originally Posted by MysteriousOz:
“A good fan is someone who can accept the positive and negatives”
“A good fan is someone who can accept the positive and negatives”
Going to slighty disagree with you there M.....despite the great vocals, i couldn't accept Andrea looking like a character from Narnia....sorry, that was plain madness! !!!
No thanks to Mel B for that little stunt Btw!!!
Originally Posted by BethnalGreen:
“lol well that is probably true. You have passion for your favourites etc but you do tend to live at least your X Factor life on here in the bottom half of the glass (which alway worries me cos you are obsessed with busses running over people and the sharp knife coming!”
“lol well that is probably true. You have passion for your favourites etc but you do tend to live at least your X Factor life on here in the bottom half of the glass (which alway worries me cos you are obsessed with busses running over people and the sharp knife coming!
”
I think I have a passion for the show and music in general... Lol...a true fan I am...I like to stick with reality and I guess I don't like it when people cant admit their favorites made mistakes and continue to praise their performances when they weren't good...like any fan, I have my favorites, but unlike most...I will pick up on my favorites' mistake and I like to stick to reality ...you could say I'm too serious... But that's the way it goes...btw, if people think I'm going to run over people with buses anytime soon...I can't drive, so...everyone is safe...the knife however.... Yea...lol...and I seem to only be obsessed with that bus hitting and the knife stabbing Paul....I'm got a bit of a creepy crush on Paul... But it only escalated when Simon started virtually running him over and stabbing him til he died...
Originally Posted by JavarnJohnson:
“Unless you've heard a sneak peak of the performance already, you wouldn't be aware of whether the arrangement of the song is within her comfort zone or not, so that speculation doesn't add much to the discussion.
Candyman is still very much a pop song, despite its jazz/swing elements. Therefore, what's important is not the genre of the song but the style in which it is performed. The Bang Bang choice may have arisen due to its use of horn blasts, and it could easily be arranged to be heavily infused with the Big Band theme by incorporating many more jazz/swing elements. If it's performed in that manner, how would it not be suited?”
“Unless you've heard a sneak peak of the performance already, you wouldn't be aware of whether the arrangement of the song is within her comfort zone or not, so that speculation doesn't add much to the discussion.
Candyman is still very much a pop song, despite its jazz/swing elements. Therefore, what's important is not the genre of the song but the style in which it is performed. The Bang Bang choice may have arisen due to its use of horn blasts, and it could easily be arranged to be heavily infused with the Big Band theme by incorporating many more jazz/swing elements. If it's performed in that manner, how would it not be suited?”
Well, I'd argue that Candyman quite firmly fits into the jazz/swing mould and was written specifically with that style in mind, whereas Bang Bang has absolutely no such leanings.
You can make an argument that themes should be redundant altogether if random songs, completely unrelated to that theme, are allowed to be shoehorned in just to suit the contestant.
We'll just have to see what Fleur does with the song, but I still maintain no matter how she 'jazzifies' it, it's an unsuitable and lazy song choice and should not have been allowed. Like I said before, the recycling of the song is not what jars, it's the fact she wasn't willing to even try to attempt the theme like most of the others, but chose to cop out and sing an R&B song she's already showcased before.
Originally Posted by dog_eat_dog:
“Well, I'd argue that Candyman quite firmly fits into the jazz/swing mould and was written specifically with that style in mind, whereas Bang Bang has absolutely no such leanings.
You can make an argument that themes should be redundant altogether if random songs, completely unrelated to that theme, are allowed to be shoehorned in just to suit the contestant.
We'll just have to see what Fleur does with the song, but I still maintain no matter how she 'jazzifies' it, it's an unsuitable and lazy song choice and should not have been allowed. Like I said before, the recycling of the song is not what jars, it's the fact she wasn't willing to even try to attempt the theme like most of the others, but chose to cop out and sing an R&B song she's already showcased before.”
“Well, I'd argue that Candyman quite firmly fits into the jazz/swing mould and was written specifically with that style in mind, whereas Bang Bang has absolutely no such leanings.
You can make an argument that themes should be redundant altogether if random songs, completely unrelated to that theme, are allowed to be shoehorned in just to suit the contestant.
We'll just have to see what Fleur does with the song, but I still maintain no matter how she 'jazzifies' it, it's an unsuitable and lazy song choice and should not have been allowed. Like I said before, the recycling of the song is not what jars, it's the fact she wasn't willing to even try to attempt the theme like most of the others, but chose to cop out and sing an R&B song she's already showcased before.”
That has been going on for years & years now it's even happened this season
Originally Posted by dog_eat_dog:
“Well, I'd argue that Candyman quite firmly fits into the jazz/swing mould and was written specifically with that style in mind, whereas Bang Bang has absolutely no such leanings.
You can make an argument that themes should be redundant altogether if random songs, completely unrelated to that theme, are allowed to be shoehorned in just to suit the contestant.
We'll just have to see what Fleur does with the song, but I still maintain no matter how she 'jazzifies' it, it's an unsuitable and lazy song choice and should not have been allowed. Like I said before, the recycling of the song is not what jars, it's the fact she wasn't willing to even try to attempt the theme like most of the others, but chose to cop out and sing an R&B song she's already showcased before.”
“Well, I'd argue that Candyman quite firmly fits into the jazz/swing mould and was written specifically with that style in mind, whereas Bang Bang has absolutely no such leanings.
You can make an argument that themes should be redundant altogether if random songs, completely unrelated to that theme, are allowed to be shoehorned in just to suit the contestant.
We'll just have to see what Fleur does with the song, but I still maintain no matter how she 'jazzifies' it, it's an unsuitable and lazy song choice and should not have been allowed. Like I said before, the recycling of the song is not what jars, it's the fact she wasn't willing to even try to attempt the theme like most of the others, but chose to cop out and sing an R&B song she's already showcased before.”
You have to remember that the contestants get very little input as to what they perform, and that applies to all of them.
Originally Posted by jerefprdterra:
“You have to remember that the contestants get very little input as to what they perform, and that applies to all of them.”
“You have to remember that the contestants get very little input as to what they perform, and that applies to all of them.”
Oh believe me, I think Simon is most to blame this week. He decided that themes were the way to go, yet this week, three out of his four acts are singing songs you wouldn't associate with Big Band in a million years.
He'd be the first to call another judge out if he felt they were 'cheating' with their song choices. He's an awful hypocrite.
Originally Posted by dog_eat_dog:
“Oh believe me, I think Simon is most to blame this week. He decided that themes were the way to go, yet this week, three out of his four acts are singing songs you wouldn't associate with Big Band in a million years.
He'd be the first to call another judge out if he felt they were 'cheating' with their song choices. He's an awful hypocrite.”
“Oh believe me, I think Simon is most to blame this week. He decided that themes were the way to go, yet this week, three out of his four acts are singing songs you wouldn't associate with Big Band in a million years.
He'd be the first to call another judge out if he felt they were 'cheating' with their song choices. He's an awful hypocrite.”
This...
Originally Posted by Barry_Clarke:
“Everyone is talking about fleur it's great !!! Better to be talked about than not at all”
“Everyone is talking about fleur it's great !!! Better to be talked about than not at all”
Only because you and your cronies keep starting threads about her.
Originally Posted by Barry_Clarke:
“Everyone is talking about fleur it's great !!! Better to be talked about than not at all”
“Everyone is talking about fleur it's great !!! Better to be talked about than not at all”
lol tell that to other contestants that have been spammed by certain fans. If some Fleur fans received that back and in spades they would absolutely freak!
Originally Posted by dog_eat_dog:
“Well, I'd argue that Candyman quite firmly fits into the jazz/swing mould and was written specifically with that style in mind, whereas Bang Bang has absolutely no such leanings.
You can make an argument that themes should be redundant altogether if random songs, completely unrelated to that theme, are allowed to be shoehorned in just to suit the contestant.
We'll just have to see what Fleur does with the song, but I still maintain no matter how she 'jazzifies' it, it's an unsuitable and lazy song choice and should not have been allowed. Like I said before, the recycling of the song is not what jars, it's the fact she wasn't willing to even try to attempt the theme like most of the others, but chose to cop out and sing an R&B song she's already showcased before.”
“Well, I'd argue that Candyman quite firmly fits into the jazz/swing mould and was written specifically with that style in mind, whereas Bang Bang has absolutely no such leanings.
You can make an argument that themes should be redundant altogether if random songs, completely unrelated to that theme, are allowed to be shoehorned in just to suit the contestant.
We'll just have to see what Fleur does with the song, but I still maintain no matter how she 'jazzifies' it, it's an unsuitable and lazy song choice and should not have been allowed. Like I said before, the recycling of the song is not what jars, it's the fact she wasn't willing to even try to attempt the theme like most of the others, but chose to cop out and sing an R&B song she's already showcased before.”
There have been other performances which haven't fit so neatly into the style (e.g. Rhydian - "Get the Party Started", which was even less related to the theme than "Bang Bang") but were heavily infused with the Big Band theme on the night. I wouldn't disagree that themes have become somewhat redundant, but that would be because of 'suitable' songs being transformed to sound completely different to the theme despite being technically acceptable.
In this series alone there have been plenty of other cases of contestants singing songs which did not adhere to the theme, or singing 'technically correct' songs in a manner that did not suit the theme whatsoever. Picking an unsuitable song but singing it in the style of the theme shows much greater versatility than picking suitable songs but tailoring it to the contestant (such as making every song, including disco songs, into a slow ballad because that's the only type of song that a contestant can pull off). If Fleur sings Bang Bang in Big Band style, how does that mean it's being shoehorned to fit her? On the contrary, it shows that she's able to sing a Big Band style song, since that's what it will become.
Originally Posted by Barry_Clarke:
“Everyone is talking about fleur it's great !!! Better to be talked about than not at all”
“Everyone is talking about fleur it's great !!! Better to be talked about than not at all”
Yeah between you and Jeref every thread is Fleur related
And not mixed opinions like other people either
Originally Posted by JavarnJohnson:
“There have been other performances which haven't fit so neatly into the style (e.g. Rhydian - "Get the Party Started", which was even less related to the theme than "Bang Bang") but were heavily infused with the Big Band theme on the night. I wouldn't disagree that themes have become somewhat redundant, but that would be because of 'suitable' songs being transformed to sound completely different to the theme despite being technically acceptable.
In this series alone there have been plenty of other cases of contestants singing songs which did not adhere to the theme, or singing 'technically correct' songs in a manner that did not suit the theme whatsoever. Picking an unsuitable song but singing it in the style of the theme shows much greater versatility than picking suitable songs but tailoring it to the contestant (such as making every song, including disco songs, into a slow ballad because that's the only type of song that a contestant can pull off). If Fleur sings Bang Bang in Big Band style, how does that mean it's being shoehorned to fit her? On the contrary, it shows that she's able to sing a Big Band style song, since that's what it will become.”
“There have been other performances which haven't fit so neatly into the style (e.g. Rhydian - "Get the Party Started", which was even less related to the theme than "Bang Bang") but were heavily infused with the Big Band theme on the night. I wouldn't disagree that themes have become somewhat redundant, but that would be because of 'suitable' songs being transformed to sound completely different to the theme despite being technically acceptable.
In this series alone there have been plenty of other cases of contestants singing songs which did not adhere to the theme, or singing 'technically correct' songs in a manner that did not suit the theme whatsoever. Picking an unsuitable song but singing it in the style of the theme shows much greater versatility than picking suitable songs but tailoring it to the contestant (such as making every song, including disco songs, into a slow ballad because that's the only type of song that a contestant can pull off). If Fleur sings Bang Bang in Big Band style, how does that mean it's being shoehorned to fit her? On the contrary, it shows that she's able to sing a Big Band style song, since that's what it will become.”
I disagree. She's comfortable singing R&B and chose this song specifically to get out of singing something that's too far out of her comfort zone, imo. The fact she's singing it with a live band instead of a backing track doesn't make it a Big Band song, it just makes it an R&B song sung live with a Big Band. Seems quite a few on social media feel the same way.
I'm sure her fans will see her through this week, I just feel somewhat cheated by the song choice she (and SImon) have chosen. If you disagree, fine. The world would be a boring place if we all thought the same!
Originally Posted by MysteriousOz:
“Yeah between you and Jeref every thread is Fleur related
And not mixed opinions like other people either”
“Yeah between you and Jeref every thread is Fleur related
And not mixed opinions like other people either”
It's great isn't it
Originally Posted by Barry_Clarke:
“It's great isn't it”
“It's great isn't it
”
Just remember... You're not her PR person...so that makes you crazy...
Originally Posted by jerefprdterra:
“You have to remember that the contestants get very little input as to what they perform, and that applies to all of them.”
“You have to remember that the contestants get very little input as to what they perform, and that applies to all of them.”
Sorry, whilst this has been true of a lot for a number of years, this year especially, Simon's acts have the better experience let's say. Let's not sugar coat what is going on in this show which is Simon picking and pimping the acts that he likes, wants to work with and basically make money out of before he drops them whilst bad mouthing and bad marketing the ones he doesn't want. It is as simple as that and always has been with this monster. The sooner we get rid of him the better the music industry in our country will be. I saw a video today of the very first week where all of the acts in the first weeks said how much input they got - what changed I ask you - Simon's priority is the answer. Fleur is lucky she is in Simon's category otherwise she would have had the 'treatment' before now
Originally Posted by dog_eat_dog:
“I disagree. She's comfortable singing R&B and chose this song specifically to get out of singing something that's too far out of her comfort zone, imo. The fact she's singing it with a live band instead of a backing track doesn't make it a Big Band song, it just makes it an R&B song sung live with a Big Band. Seems quite a few on social media feel the same way.
I'm sure her fans will see her through this week, I just feel somewhat cheated by the song choice she (and SImon) have chosen. If you disagree, fine. The world would be a boring place if we all thought the same!”
“I disagree. She's comfortable singing R&B and chose this song specifically to get out of singing something that's too far out of her comfort zone, imo. The fact she's singing it with a live band instead of a backing track doesn't make it a Big Band song, it just makes it an R&B song sung live with a Big Band. Seems quite a few on social media feel the same way.
I'm sure her fans will see her through this week, I just feel somewhat cheated by the song choice she (and SImon) have chosen. If you disagree, fine. The world would be a boring place if we all thought the same!”
Who's to say it will be performed in the sang way? They can change the arrangement any way they like, and it makes sense for them to change it to suit the Big Band theme, as others have done before. It may still be a pop song, but if it's sung in the Big Band style it shows that she's capable of singing Big Band music. That's different to say, Fleur singing an uptempo version of "I will always love you" if required to sing a ballad, where the song choice would be 'technically correct' but sung in a style which didn't suit the theme. That would, in my opinion, demonstrate a lack of versatility, rather than the other way around (singing a slow, ballad version of an uptempo song).
That's fair enough
Originally Posted by BethnalGreen:
“I would kinda of pay good money just to see the meltdown as it would be high entertainment around here!”
“I would kinda of pay good money just to see the meltdown as it would be high entertainment around here!
”
Indeed it would
Originally Posted by jerefprdterra:
“Unfortunately its people that are voting for Stevi are the one's that are down grading the show, and means that people like Paul last week are going home.”
“Unfortunately its people that are voting for Stevi are the one's that are down grading the show, and means that people like Paul last week are going home.”
It's not his fault if fans of the acts that have gotten elminated haven't voted enough times
Originally Posted by mmpfb:
“Only because you and your cronies keep starting threads about her.”
“Only because you and your cronies keep starting threads about her.”
I like Fleur, she's one of my faves actually. I only started this thread because it was something I thought when I found out the song choice.
Originally Posted by JavarnJohnson:
“There have been other performances which haven't fit so neatly into the style (e.g. Rhydian - "Get the Party Started", which was even less related to the theme than "Bang Bang") but were heavily infused with the Big Band theme on the night. I wouldn't disagree that themes have become somewhat redundant, but that would be because of 'suitable' songs being transformed to sound completely different to the theme despite being technically acceptable.
In this series alone there have been plenty of other cases of contestants singing songs which did not adhere to the theme, or singing 'technically correct' songs in a manner that did not suit the theme whatsoever. Picking an unsuitable song but singing it in the style of the theme shows much greater versatility than picking suitable songs but tailoring it to the contestant (such as making every song, including disco songs, into a slow ballad because that's the only type of song that a contestant can pull off). If Fleur sings Bang Bang in Big Band style, how does that mean it's being shoehorned to fit her? On the contrary, it shows that she's able to sing a Big Band style song, since that's what it will become.”
“There have been other performances which haven't fit so neatly into the style (e.g. Rhydian - "Get the Party Started", which was even less related to the theme than "Bang Bang") but were heavily infused with the Big Band theme on the night. I wouldn't disagree that themes have become somewhat redundant, but that would be because of 'suitable' songs being transformed to sound completely different to the theme despite being technically acceptable.
In this series alone there have been plenty of other cases of contestants singing songs which did not adhere to the theme, or singing 'technically correct' songs in a manner that did not suit the theme whatsoever. Picking an unsuitable song but singing it in the style of the theme shows much greater versatility than picking suitable songs but tailoring it to the contestant (such as making every song, including disco songs, into a slow ballad because that's the only type of song that a contestant can pull off). If Fleur sings Bang Bang in Big Band style, how does that mean it's being shoehorned to fit her? On the contrary, it shows that she's able to sing a Big Band style song, since that's what it will become.”
Just had to quote this, I agree with the point you're making but the Shirley Bassey cult cover of the song 'Get The Party Started' not fitting the Big Band theme, really?
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