Oh pur-lease give it up. Do you have anything better to do with your time? Mods can we close this thread as it is not directly about the show itself?

Chachachavvy if this is the most exciting aspect of your life then that's a great shame. Perhaps you could start researching positive things people do?

Loads of my faves have had critical threads. Tim had things insinuated about him, Judy and Alison had endless negative threads, Steve and Ola both have threads about their seemingly negative relationships with their pros, Jake had the ringer thread. This is par for the course on a fan-based discussion forum. The fact that Pixie wears fur is just information. Some people may not like it, some people may love it, some people just won't care.

How is the issue of the ethics and values of the celebs affecting the way you perceive them not pertinent? I like a lot of the stuff Steve does, for example, and that makes me feel more positively towards him. I liked that Tim was donating his fee to charity. I like that Judy does a lot for women in sport and to get children into sport.

Wearing fur is a statement of values. I don't see how saying it would stop me voting for Pixie as being any different from saying I couldn't vote for Ann Widdecombe and Edwina Currie because of their political views.

i remember last year when natalie snubbed a charity event for children with terminal illnesses because she apparently mistook the work of the office of the prime minister for its current incumbent. silly girl.

people were able to forgive her for that, and i'm sure no-one would suggest foxes are more important than sick children, so i hope they will do the same for pixie.

I could never tell if that was a forum myth or not.

What does this mean??

A lot of people wouldn't have voted for Ann Widdicombe or Edwina Curry because of their political views and not on their dancing, some won't for Pixie if they believe she's wearing real fur regardless of how good her dancing is, some won't vote for Judy, not because of her dancing, but because they perceive her only claim to fame is being Andy Murray's mum, some won't vote for Judy because they don't like Anton, some won't vote for Steve and Ola because they don't like James.

People don't vote for some for a variety of reasons and do vote for others for a different set of reasons - many of which have nothing to do with their dancing. That's what happens with a public vote.

She didn't turn up at an event and The Mirror and The Daily Record both had "quotes from friends" saying that going to the event would have compromised her values so she didn't go. I don't think she ever commented on it herself.

The ensuing scrum to present Natalie as a righteous socialist warrior/pretentious child-hating witch on both sides was quite hilarious, and makes the current DO STEVE AND OLA HATE ONE ANOTHER froo-fraw look like a Sunday School picnic.

Shaking My Head

But no link. Let's see the evidence.


So which of the other contestants have you investigated to see if they're ever worn real fur, and then posted in a prominent internet forum about it?


You don't have to say it; by posting about her wearing real fur you are in effect trying to get people who care about that issue not to vote for her.


Maybe not at first, but then you started googling, once the article made it seem that fur might be an exploitable issue.

I am not Pro -fur, and am certainly not Pro Pixie, but I do think that scrapping round for something like this to "beat" Pixie and try to dent her support is pretty lame.

Thanks Monkseal. Most helpful unlike the post I didn't understand.

Why make an entire post in textspeak?

Don't know about "makes perfect sense".
Some of these Anti threads leave a nasty taste in my mouth

I'm surprised people are taking this thread as anti-Pixie. It's about your own sense of right and wrong and how that motivates you.

Are there issues bigger than SCD? If so, they are surely significant enough to make you support or turn away from a contestant.

There are compromises everywhere. As a veggie, you grow used to watching your good friends at the same table eat food that would turn your stomach, and they are still your friends. You can't change everyone, you can only live by your own standards and hope that small examples slowly spread the message (about whatever you care about). If a friend turned up wearing a fox or a leopard, however, I think I would punch them. Killing an animal for fur alone is as crazy as killing tigers for medicine, elephants for ivory, badgers for farmers etc.

The show is about spinning for and against the celebs' fans?

If so, it's strange that they bother with the dancing when they could just put up a list of names and let the spinning for and against their fans commence.

Is this an anti thread? Seems to me the thread title is unfortunate in that it singles out Pixie, but then chacha is actually asking an interesting question about whether a celeb's world view influences our voting and explains how the photo of Pixie's jacket brought her to raise the issue. It's certainly got me thinking.

The thread is obviously anti-Pixie. I'm surprised anyone could think it wasn't.


If that were the thread's aim, it would have appeared without the focus on Piixie, without the googling about her, and with Pixie as at most one example among others.

I saw the same thing in the DM article and was set wondering too. Chacha's explanation of how the thought came to her follows the exact path of the same thought in my head, except I was too lazy to start the thread

A list of fur wearers!? These lists exist? For what purpose? Who writes them up, animal activists? Fur selling companies?

I have no idea if Pixie wears real fur, but I've bought a fake look-alike fur jacket for a girl-friend a while ago (brought it back from Spain bought in a relatively well know global brand store) and it did look real, but wasn't...so fake can be very convincing sometimes.

As SCD is a dancing/light entertainment programme.....why don't we just vote for the celeb we personally feel is the best dancer?

It's significant that you didn't start googling and then post about it in a prominent forum (without even backing up the claims with links). You didn't care enough about turning people who cared about the issue against Pixie.

From your point of view, and from many others, the thread is anti-Pixie, for whatever reason.

From others' points of view it is either a general discussion of how ethics play into our allegiance to a contestant, or a specific discussion about the wearing of fur.

I'm not ready to be called anti-Pixie when in complete honesty I have spent zero time seriously considering the girl. Sorry Pixie. Again, that's not an anti-Pixie statement.

ETA To pick up your second para, I fear that if Chachachavvy had started the thread without any Pixie or SCD content, it would have been modded off to Politics

The thread title is hardly neutral.
I understand the debate about what motivates you to support a cleb or not, but the thread title alone would be enough to out some of her supporters off.

I was too lazy to even google, although I did wonder if it was real fur when I saw the picture.

Perhaps, for the record, I should state that I have voted for Pixie for the last 3 weeks and if she continues to produce dances of that quality I shall continue to vote for her, but this thread (plus the story on the news this morning about Jessica Ennis-Hill asking for her name to be taken off the football stand if Sheffield United re-sign Ched Evans) has made me spend time thinking about how much somebody's behaviour in one area of their life should impact on how we judge them in another activity all together.

No, not from my "point of view". From facts about the thread.


It's an anti-Pixie thread that raised a general issue so that it would have another aspect that would also generate discussion, which will of course help keep the thread on the front page.

If the primary aim were the raise the general issue, it would be done without the focus on Pixie, without the googling for evidence against her, and with Pixie as at most one example among others.


That the thread is anti-Pixie does not mean everyone posting in it is.


If the Pixie content weren't it's main aim, it might have been posted in a different forum in the first place. If the SCD aspect was important, there are other SCD contestants who could (also) be used as examples.

It is interesting, though, that it had been established that Pixie wears real fur when it hasn't been. So far, it's just some claims on the internet, without even links to back them up.

But if the thread really isn't meant to work against Pixie, it should at least be retitled, or a separate thread started so that those who want to discuss the general issue without singling out Pixie can do so.