It's to do with resilience, isn't it? People you like, you forgive many minor misdemeanours. I like James. I love Steve. I'm forgiving James for his twitter storm which peripherally damaged SB because 'it's just James being James'. Eventually someone's faults become so much a part of your idea of their character that you like them as if they were positive qualities.

But there's no resilience once dislike sets in. Any new sign of failing is an additional reason to dislike a person. I feel that strong supporters of a contestant start often from a point where they're assuming this intractability in any adverse comment. Is that to do with over-estimating the importance of their favourite in the eyes of the non-committed? It's like a school kid thinks their teacher hates them at a time when the teacher is struggling to remember everyone's name

Or is it an attempt to baffle a serious discussion? Instead of the serious question here, for example, is it a good thing that Pixie wears fur, it's safer to say that people hate her??? Because then they become intolerant as opposed to saying plainly (as I would) that the wearing of fur is intolerable. (My personal view.)

Again, I'm not meaning any of this as anti-Pix or anti-any-individual poster. It's just a thing I've noticed.

I do find this thread really interesting. Yes knowing that a celeb wears or supports wearing fur would change my view of and my likelihood of voting for them. I also think it's ok to speak about specific celebs in this respect.
The winner of strictly usually gains significant kudos from their win which increases the spotlight they are under. I would not want a fur wearing example of a winner advertising that industry however obliquely. Therefore Pixie if this is the case will not be getting any of my votes in future but I will research this to make sure.
It holds true for me with tories such as Edwina or the Widdy. I must admit Ann's stance on fox hunting takes a slight edge of her " nastiness" for me but nowhere enough to consider voting for her either on strictly or in politics, she remains a terrible bigot.
This does not mean that I would vote for Steve: I vote for the person who dances the best but who hasn't "turned me off" in some way.
Let's hope she's not some real life Cruella D'ville if she is I am surprised and disappointed.

I dread to think how this forum is going to look like during the last remaining weeks.

I'm sure that it can't possibly be worse than Alesha year, the Austinwozrobbed year and last year........

I'm sure it's time to give another twitch to the Ola's bullying Steve thread, but I cannot think of a single thing to add
Love that thread

It seems like Pixie is this year's Natalie, in that no-one can say a word against her without being deemed a 'hater' or being called jealous. It got pretty nasty last year with the fan wars.

I appreciate Pixie as a very talented dancer, and I think she always performs well, but I have not voted for her yet (I tend to vote for Steve & Jake) and hearing she wears real fur would put me off voting for her if my favourites were voted out. For clarity, I don't hate her, I'm not jealous of her, and I reserve the right to prefer a non-fur wearing, less previously trained contestant for this year's winner. This does not make me right or wrong. It's just my opinion.

(Serenity, well done for your 90% vegan
I don't think I could do it though I try)

It's good to see that someone isn't just assuming the thread's claims about Pixie must be true. But I also think it's unfortunate that the thread's about whether Pixie is a "fan" of real fur. If she has worn real fur, it's possible she hasn't noticed or hasn't thought about it, rather than because she's a real fur fan. (I'm not saying not-noticed or hasn't-thought would be ok; but they're still very different from being a fan.)


I'm wandering: do you believe she does wear real fur, and if so why do you believe it? Because someone claimed it on an internet forum, without even providing a link?

Anywhere nice?

Thanks, Pet Monkey.
I once read an inspiring quote which said "Don't do nothing, just because you can't do everything."
Anytime you are doing something compassionate, for people or for animals, you should give yourself a pat on the back, even if you can't be perfect. 👼 😀

✂"pixies are generally benign, mischievous, short of stature and attractively childlike; they are fond of dancing and gather outdoors in huge numbers to dance or sometimes wrestle, through the night"✂

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixie

Maybe she really is a pixie.

Rephrasing it as "is it a good thing that Pixie wears fur" presupposes that it's true that she wears it. (Even this thread's title doesn't do that!) A thread is a lot more likely to get (and to deserve) a serious discussion if it doesn't single out one contestant and doesn't involving googling against that contestant.

I think you have some good points about resilience and the effect on resilience that liking for disliking can have; and sure, strong supporters (and others) my see an intractability that isn't really there. In some cases, that misperception may even be caused by overestimating how important the "favourite" seems to others. But I don't think that's what usually happens. I don't even think there's usually as assumption of intractability. Unreasonable criticism is unreasonable even if no intractability is involved; and dislike doesn't have to be intractable to be dislike. (Of course, there can be reasonable disagreement about whether criticism is unreasonable or not.)

(BTW, there is a similar phenomenon of thinking people must be fans, or must be strong supporters, if they object to criticism or see it as motivated by dislike.)

I done a fairly quick internet search myself and came up with some very different evidence. A militant animal rights facebook page addressed the question of whether Pixie wore real fur and answered it in the negative. In a post from 21st November 2011 the ‘Name & Shame All The Pro Hunt/Cruel Celebrities’ facebook group stated that ‘Pixie Lott does not wear real fur, she designs faux fur coats.’

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.p...34410676616480

OK that was from three years ago but the page has been regularly updated since and contains a list of celebrities who are either pro-hunt or who wear real fur. If you scroll down the link below to the 20th January 2014 you’ll find a very long list of predominantly British celebrities which the facebook group claims fall into these categories. However it doesn’t include Pixie Lott and I’ve not seen anything to suggest they’ve since included her.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Name-...34410676616480

As that facebook page alluded to Pixie designed a range of faux fur coats for Lipsy. It comes up in the very first page if you do either an internet search for ‘Pixie Lott real fur’ or ‘Pixie Lott faux fur’.

https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl...+Lott+real+fur

https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl...+lott+faux+fur

Yet strangely this hasn’t been referred to by the OP and even when the most basic of internet searches brings it up in 5 seconds. In any real attempt aimed at answering the question of whether Pixie was a ‘fan of real fur’ I would have thought it was a pretty important piece of evidence worthy of consideration.

The first page of a ‘Pixie Lott faux fur’ google search shows, if anything, an even more important piece of evidence as to Pixie’s views on the matter: Pixie (this year) wearing a sweater containing what can only be described as an anti-real fur message, ie. ‘Make no mistake…..This Fur is Fake’. Even the hashtags in the tweet (from a friend) are decidedly from an animal rights perspective.

https://twitter.com/JasmynBanks_/sta...94125114585088

Jasmyn Banks seems to be a good friend of Pixie and like her went to the Italian Conti Academy of Theatre Arts (probably how they became friends). A look at her twitter timeline would suggest that she is a vegan with a deep commitment to animal rights issues. She’s retweeted numerous tweets from PETA UK in support of various issues concerning the maltreatment of animals. She’s also retweeted many tweets promoting Pixie’s latest album etc. Do we really think that someone with such an ardent commitment to animal rights would be good friends with someone who was a ‘fan of real fur’, or that she would be following a retweet from PETA UK with one promoting a ‘fan of real fur’? Personally I doubt it.

Here's Jasmyn's twitter timeline:

https://twitter.com/JasmynBanks_

Is it not perfectly plausible that a major reason Pixie got involved with promoting a range of faux fur coats for Lipsy was that with real fur becoming increasingly acceptable again she felt that she could show that faux fur could look fashionable and appealing, and as such even from a purely aesthetic perspective there was no need to resort to real fur? There are numerous online references to Pixie wearing faux fur at events etc. I also think it ties in with wearing an anti-real fur sweater and having a good friend who is a passionate supporter of animal rights.

Does that mean we can say with certainty that she has never worn real fur? No, it doesn’t. However it’s perfectly possible that if she has worn real fur she has inadvertently done so. It’s claimed by the OP she wore a Moschino real fur-trimmed Moschino Cheap 'n' Chic outfit. However Moschino do a Cheap and Chic Faux Fur range and so it’s perfectly possible that if Pixie was indeed wearing Moschino it was of a faux fur variety, or even if it wasn’t she mistakenly thought it was.

If Pixie was knowingly wearing real fur then I would think less of her, but before I would accept she has in fact done so, I would want a lot better and more balanced evidence than that presented by the OP. However it does seems a bit incongruous that back in January Pixie would be wearing an anti-real fur sweater while out with her animal rights supporting friend, only to be knowingly wearing real fur only a short while later. Possible yes, but I find it very unlikely.

I think this thread is little more than an attempt to discredit a beautiful young women with almost no attempt made to present evidence in a balanced manner. The readiness of people to believe it without asking the most basic of questions or doing the most basic of internet searches is also most depressing.

This is a well researched post.
You clearly don't belong on DS

Well done nagel!

So, we've established that Pixie probably does NOT wear real fur.

Well done and thank you for this post

BIB I concur and it's such a shame.

I, like everybody else no doubt, find other people's deal-breakers on why they won't support someone very odd and always go by the dancing until it comes to my own personal deal-breaker. (and no- I'm not telling)

No matter how much someone will say they judge only on the dance/entertainment/likeability of contestants if that one bugbear turns up to blot somebody's copybook, it will put you off them. be it fur, politics, love-rat history or what they wear in training.

Good post, Nagel84. Always best to look on both sides of the argument. I may have been quick to judge Pixie without evidence, and while we may never know whether she wears fur or not, it's good to have a balanced discussion. When I think about it, the fur issue would only matter to me if she was a contestant I would regularly vote for, or would be likely to in the future. While I acknowledge she's a great dancer, there are four others I would vote for before her, so my quandary is averted 😊

At last a post that has come up with facts and highlights that Pixie is not a fan of real fur. The original question has been answered.

I agree. There will always be things that make you more likely to connect (or not) with certain people. Sometimes we can identify them and sometimes it's hard to put your finger on what it is.

Excellent. That should silence chachachavvy...for now.

Anybody getting their breeks in a fankle over leather shoes?

Do any of Dave Archer's band play the violin with strings made out of cat gut?

I have a pair of motorcycle gloves made out of kangaroo leather

I'm having steak for tea tonight

Where do you stop?

Ooo, before most of those

Translate 'breeks in a fankle' please... Knickers in a twist?? If so nice imagery with the 'over leather shoes' there

Well, I didn't know if Pixie was a real fur wearer and that is why I did research (although according to some people that made me an obsessive hater) and found that Milusha are fur specialists and she wore their Arosha fox fur jacket. The Moschino short suit was also real fur (but unspecified type). She wears fur. I was like Pet Monkey in that Pixie was one of the people on Strictly I wasn't really taking an interest in on social or conventional media because she didn't really excite me either way. I was generally looking at stuff about the pros and occasionally Judy and Steve when they came up.

Steve is one of my favourites in the competition but I have contributed, in a not-entirely positive way, to the 'does he hate Ola' threads about him. The same with Sunetra and Brendan. If Jeremy Clarkson or Jim Davidson appeared on Strictly there would be threads about their stance on racism, sexism, climate change etc. Why do we have to depoliticise Pixie?

Fur has been rehabilitated because stars like Pixie endorse it and their fans find a way to then OK it. She doesn't seem to stand for anything except recommending consumer goods on Twitter. Isn't this how celebrity works? Russell Brand has gone down further in my estimation this week because he associates with Julien Blanc, Jessica Ennis-Hill has gone up even more because she risked a tidal wave of hate to make a stand.

I don't want to give Milusha oxygen but -
http://www.milushalondon.com/

Aye


Avoid making them too shiny for modesty reasons