It just occurred to me that we could have been witnessing the Zygon Osgoode. Am I being silly

She's dead. Moffat confirms it.

She's Dodo.


Not that one.

It was just the stuff that Missy was saying about her smell. a zygon trait....hummm

And of course, The Moff never lies.

I hope not. I hope she stays dead, it would be such a cop out if they let her live.

If Osgood IS dead, I wouldn't mind the Doctor having a Zygon companion - one who could shapeshift, so could be played by a different actor each week!

Though with Osgood being dead, the Zygon can no longer take her form.

Interesting about the smell, though, and there's no dead body to examine.... maybe Osgood IS alive...

No I don’t think she is dead. In Death In Heaven there was a throwaway conversation and maybe I’m reading too much into it, but in the scene where Missy is handcuffed and gaurded in the planes hold, Osgoode is examining the unit Missy was using. The Doctor looks at what she is doing and then starts to climb a ladder and that point he says to her ‘All of time & Space’. (Please note here that I do NOT have a copy of the episode and are recalling from memory) Osgoode says something like, ‘What was that?’ and the Doctor replies, ‘put that on your bucket list’.
That is obviously the quote Matt Smith says to Karen Gillen before they begun their travels and I don’t think it is a coincidence.
Another point that I noted immediately was that the device Missy used gave off a red ray when it killed someone, but in Osgoode’s case the ray was orange – I don’t think the digital artist got his palet wrong when they composed the scene.
Capaldi said in an interview, “I am not looking for another assistant” when asked about Jenna Coleman leaving. If Jenna is leaving, and I think she is, you are not looking because you already have one.
Lastly, and this struck me from the moment I saw the character: Why write a character that seems to suffer from asthma? Don’t misunderstand that remark as being against asthma sufferers, both my wife & daughter suffer from it, it just seems an unusual thing thing to make your character ail from (name another TV character that has it?) . The moment the Doctor says to her ‘put that in your bucket list’ she takes a very deep breath from the inhaler. An asthma suffer may well do that because of the excitement but if it is not an inhaler then it’s content may not be effadrin (or the like).

However I am also aware of these facts too.
Moffatt lies.
Moffat adds things into episodes to deliberatley mis-direct the audience and most are dropped without trace.
He adds things that are not relevant for many episodes – even series to come.

On Doctor Who Extra, Ingrid Oliver looked incredibly cheeky when she was saying "In Doctor Who, who knows?" Or words to that effect.

I still have an inkling at Christmas "Santa" will bring back Danny for Clara, and thus her exit and bring back Osgood for The Doctor.

I'm probably totally wrong.

I reckon we're going to see the same actress back playing her more pretty sister

Which is the reason she ended up dead.


If Missy hadn't seen/heard this exchange (and we know she did as she smiles) it's possible she might have let Osgood live (for a little while at least) as Missy agreed that Osgood might be useful to her.

However the exchange with the Doctor and the hint she might be a future companion pretty much signed her death warrant.


So Osgood joins the list of people such as Astrid, Lynda and Rita that looked like they may become a companion only to be killed off soon after.

I certainly hope so!

We can hope.

i hope she is gone or it will take away from that awesome scene were Missy <3 kills her

Osgood is dead. She is an ex-Osgood. She has ceased to be.

(Unless they decide to bring her back.)

The Master is also gone for good. S/he ain't coming back. No way Pedro. Just like s/he'd absolutely definitely died or been trapped for good in The Deadly Assassin, Castrovalva, Time-Flight, Planet of Fire, Survival, the TV Movie, Last of the Timelords, The End of Time and, of course, Death in Heaven.

Seriously, love how DWM interviewed Michelle Gomez and naturally asked whether she would be returning, and she basically just said "Yes."

It's my belief that he puts anomalies and comments into episodes and then decides what to do with them later.

Essentially, the answer to "is so-and-so dead" will always be "nobody knows" unless and until they're shown to be alive. A little like a variation on Schrödinger's cat where, if you open the box and find the cat alive, it's alive. And if you open the box and find the cat is dead you close the box and open it again later.

Moffat already admitted that the Master/Missy/Mistress will be back in Doctor Who Extra, watch on Iplayer if you havent seen it, by saying that the Master always makes some kind of escape even though it looked like he had died in the classics and that is what Moffat wanted this time!

Where are the zygons now anyway?


Mental note, bound to turn up in a future episode ....... Help the Doctor get out of a tricky situation ......

Would like to know one way or another. Rumour was she could have been Kates daughter working with her mum. Kate even said in DIH she had 2 children the sister ?. Kate would grieve for Osgood when she found out as a freind or a daughter. Death should be permenant. Otherwise why would we care ?. You would just say "It's allright the doctor can just wave his screwdriver or use the tardis ,voretx manipulator whatever and bring them back".

No, it wasn't a throwaway conversation - "all of time and space" is what the Doctor has traditionally offered his companions, and "bucket list" was a dark joke and unintentional foreshadowing on the part of the Doctor that Osgood wasn't going to make it that far. There's a bit of a tradition, starting from Lynda-with-a-Y in Series 1, of the Doctor offering places on the TARDIS to people who are killed immediately afterwards.


Osgood's original appearance was in Day of the Doctor, where her asthma inhaler wasn't just used as a funny character tic (meeting or working with her idol is just too exciting!), but as an indication that the real Osgood and Zygon-Osgood knew which was which - the Zygon stole the inhaler because it couldn't simulate one. It's also a rather unfortunate geek stereotype.

That only started because some people can't understand English


Osgood addressed Kate as Ma'am but some viewers thought she said Mum.

I had a dream on Saturday night. As the Christmas episode credits ended they cut to a scene where we cut to the the Master's TARDIS. Inside it was Osgood. She was having a conversation with an unseen person.

We heard her saying, "He will find Gallifrey and I have to help him. I have to help my Grandfather."

She then starts to regenerate. The scene ends without us seeing who she regenerates into.

... which is exactly what raises my hackles whenever anyone comes out with stuff like "there are no rules in fantasy" "there's no reason it can't happen" or "this is science fiction so anything can happen". Bringing people back from the dead at the drop of a hat kills drama.

Exceptions may be made for arch-nemeses, because it's kind of compulsory - but other characters shouldn't just be wasted and the restored at a whim.

The question is though when she was killed was Osgood taken into the Netherspace. Was that still operational and would there be a way to get her back?

Well, I suppose that at the time Osgood died, the Nethersphere was functional- Missy was able to use her bracelet to flit in and out, and her body seems to have gone into some sort of limbo as she went in, and reconstituted as she came out. But apart from the bracelet, it was made pretty clear that the only way back was to be downloaded back into your own body (the "upgrade" might not be strictly necessary), which Osgood doesn't have any longer.

There was, of course, the bracelet - but the two-weeks-later scenes went out of their way to point out that the Nethersphere was shutting down, there was only enough energy for one trip (in any case, it did seem that it was only the wearer of the bracelet that could pass in and out in a corporeal sense. The episode went out of its way to get across the message that anyone left in the Nethersphere as it shut down wasn't coming back. The possibility of Zygon-Osgood might yet be invoked - but the Osgood we saw used her inhaler, which would suggest that the Osgood who died was the human one.

Yes, there are all kinds of "explanations" by which Danny, Osgood, or anyone else could come back, invoking the "anything can happen" principle. However, to me, going out of your way to convey the impression that someone is dead and then bringing them back without laying the groundwork for there return - or at least not actively cutting off their return route - isn't really playing fair, from a dramatic point of view.