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Old 16-11-2014, 01:50
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When asked about Danny and Sam's exit:

"My job would be so much easier if all that mattered was what was on screen. Lizzie and Stephen were fantastic on screen but sometimes you have to make horrible decisions for any number of backstage reasons. "

Am I being stupid? Feel like there was more to it.
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Old 16-11-2014, 01:53
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There's definitely more to it. Perhaps he sacked them because he disliked them. It's just like the way he sacked Devon Anderson from Hollyoaks and then from Eastenders.
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Old 16-11-2014, 01:56
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maybe they stood up and told him he didnt have a clue what he was doing...
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Old 16-11-2014, 03:12
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Could be a combo of things. Perhaps they didn't like each other? We'll never know.
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Old 16-11-2014, 04:41
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conspiracy theory ....
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Old 16-11-2014, 04:48
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Could be a combo of things. Perhaps they didn't like each other? We'll never know.
On Twitter, Lizzie and Stephen are friends and they seem to be very close.

It interests me when people leave and we're not sure why.
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Old 16-11-2014, 09:50
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Those lines confused me as well maybe we will find out in five years time when someone does an interview and mentions that BK hated Lizzie and Stephen.
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Old 16-11-2014, 10:37
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Lizzie was clearly annoyed at being sacked. You could tell at the time she was holding back on revealing something. Maybe if someone directs her to those comments she might break her silence.
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Old 16-11-2014, 10:49
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I know this is very lazy and I could google but who are lizzie and Stephen? Character wise?
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Old 16-11-2014, 10:50
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I know this is very lazy and I could google but who are lizzie and Stephen? Character wise?
Sam and Danny Lomax
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Old 16-11-2014, 11:14
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It reads like an attempt to slur the actors who played Sam and Danny. There were some kind of "problems" behind the scenes, he implies.

But Kirkwood just ends up making himself look like a really unlikable dick. Looks like he fired them because he didn't like them. And yes, could well be because they're more experienced actors who could easily see that his "make-it-up-as-you-go-along" storylines were laughable.

Seems like the only way to get on at Hollyoaks is do what Brian tells you and keep your gob shut, unless you open it to flatter him.
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Old 16-11-2014, 11:22
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It reads like an attempt to slur the actors who played Sam and Danny. There were some kind of "problems" behind the scenes, he implies.

But Kirkwood just ends up making himself look like a really unlikable dick. Looks like he fired them because he didn't like them. And yes, could well be because they're more experienced actors who could easily see that his "make-it-up-as-you-go-along" storylines were laughable.

Seems like the only way to get on at Hollyoaks is do what Brian tells you and keep your gob shut, unless you open it to flatter him.
Exactly this.

Every time an interview with Kirkwood appears he sullies my opinion of him further; so egotistical and out of touch with viewers.

It is insulting to the many long term viewers here who have stuck by the show through thick and thin to insinuate that our opinions are both wrong and don't matter because apparently Twitter loves the show.

He is also completely deluded - saying that the show has been missing a nuclear family unit for quite some time. Although flawed the Lomaxes were a wonderful family unit but he let his own ego get in the way of that.
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Old 16-11-2014, 11:34
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Exactly this.

Every time an interview with Kirkwood appears he sullies my opinion of him further; so egotistical and out of touch with viewers.

It is insulting to the many long term viewers here who have stuck by the show through thick and thin to insinuate that our opinions are both wrong and don't matter because apparently Twitter loves the show.

He is also completely deluded - saying that the show has been missing a nuclear family unit for quite some time. Although flawed the Lomaxes were a wonderful family unit but he let his own ego get in the way of that.
That is actually one of the most unpleasant producer interviews I've ever read. I know increasingly they all seem to have pretty big egos these days, but yeah, that was unpleasant. I don't know who decided to give him total control of a show after what he did to Eastenders, but they must be bats. He's in no position to be snide about the producers who were in control while he was off screwing up the BBC1 flagship. He's turned Hollyoaks into something people point and laugh at, and for good reason.

Anyway, meh, he can clearly do what he likes. I don't have to read anything he says in future.
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Old 16-11-2014, 11:51
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What made me laugh was when he talked about after Sam and Danny died that they were some of the best episode's, a week later it was all forgotten about and you wouldn't have known they had lost their mum and dad.
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Old 16-11-2014, 12:00
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Oh, no, a Party of Five reference! This brings back nightmares of the time Susan Bower quoted Party of Five when she was systematically destroying Neighbours! (In fact, there are some similarities between these two with the answers they give, and how they come across in interviews...)

On the subject of Sam & Danny, it certainly reads like it was a personal decision to fire them, and not in the regular backstage drama variety of not getting along with each other, or other cast members, but literally not getting on with him.

It's a shame, b/c Lizzie who played Sam seemed to enjoy her time on the show, and was nothing but enthusiastic about playing a cop. But, then Sam randomly was revealed to be a bent cop, and it all went downhill from there. I'm wondering if she didn't like that twist and called him out on it...
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Old 16-11-2014, 12:14
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It does appear that this man has one almighty ego. I echo the comments that someone should tweet the interview to Lizzie and Stephen. They have a right to respond here.
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Old 16-11-2014, 14:29
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I don't get why everyone is automatically saying that Brian Kirkwood did something wrong. It is very possible that Stephan and/ or Lizzie were difficult to work with or couldn't do as much filming or had disobeyed the studio rules or something like that.
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Old 16-11-2014, 14:31
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I don't get why everyone is automatically saying that Brian Kirkwood did something wrong. It is very possible that Stephan and/ or Lizzie were difficult to work with or couldn't do as much filming or had disobeyed the studio rules or something like that.
It's also possible that most DS posters are so used to looking for dirt, they can't see the wood for the trees. You could just as easily interpret what BK said as any number of backstage issues - such as other people leaving, and other storylines - having an effect on having to let the Lomaxs go.
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Old 16-11-2014, 14:36
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As someone who has a mutual acquaintance that knows Kirkwood fairly well, let's just say it wouldn't surprise me one iota if he himself was the 'backstage issue'.
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Old 16-11-2014, 15:46
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As someone who has a mutual acquaintance that knows Kirkwood fairly well, let's just say it wouldn't surprise me one iota if he himself was the 'backstage issue'.
From the way he comes across in these latest interviews, this wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.

The DS questions had been put through a heavy-duty anti-criticism filter, and a very softly-softly, flattering approach taken, to give him every opportunity to reflect himself and his show in a rose-tinted glow. Yet somehow, he still manages to create an almost universally-received impression of being a massively egotistical bell-end.
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Old 16-11-2014, 16:47
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Kirkwood does come across really badly. He didn't come across like this in his first stint. Maybe he's one of those who is okay when he's getting praise but a taste of negativity (EE and his 2nd Hollyoaks stint) and the arrogance and ego comes out.

What is on screen should be the most important thing. If Danny and Sam were so 'fantastic' (and I agree with him, they were) why did he get rid of them? He seems to make decisions on a whim based on ideas that pop into his head. When I first read the interview it sounded like he just got rid so he could play out his stupid party of five scenario, but reading again it does seem as though he is implying issues with Lizzie and Stephen.

His ego knows no bounds. The way he refers to Hollyoaks as his show, in the context of someone else working on it when he wasn't even there, is mind-boggling.
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Old 16-11-2014, 17:15
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Kirkwood does come across really badly. He didn't come across like this in his first stint. Maybe he's one of those who is okay when he's getting praise but a taste of negativity (EE and his 2nd Hollyoaks stint) and the arrogance and ego comes out.
You do get the feeling that he cannot accept criticism so anyone who says something negative is wrong and he is always right. That type of attitude. I mean I don't know the guy but this interview does make him come across badly and very big headed.

I wonder if he vetted the questions first and would only answer what he was happy with?
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Old 28-11-2014, 22:13
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Sorry to bump the thread but Stephen Billington's (Danny) response to a fan on Twitter tonight may be of interest to some on here!

https://twitter.com/stephbillington/...40995877445633

There was also a tweet about the show being under pressure from C4 and having a complete lack of respect for the actors but it seems to have been deleted now.
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Old 28-11-2014, 22:25
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Sorry to bump the thread but Stephen Billington's (Danny) response to a fan on Twitter tonight may be of interest to some on here!

https://twitter.com/stephbillington/...40995877445633

There was also a tweet about the show being under pressure from C4 and having a complete lack of respect for the actors but it seems to have been deleted now.

Regarding Stephen's tweet about 'personality disorder' it's sad, but true. Seems that the 'perfect family' of Leela, Cameron and Peri is another veiled barb at Stephen and Lizzie and the 'backstage decisions' or whatever Kirkwood said. Peri calling Cameron 'Dad' is ridiculous.
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Old 28-11-2014, 23:03
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He is correct and that is not how it should be if characters are not consistent then what is the point, BK seems to have no respect for his actors or his viewers, it will kill the show in the end.
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