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Two early leaders who now don't look like they belong in the Final
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apenny4them
16-11-2014
1. Jake's American Smooth.

The operative word is "smooth".

Len criticised this first routine because an AS should be danced predominately in hold -

Kimberley AS - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd3p7CvM-BY

Jake AS - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jyVyG_ZGYg

Given the quality of Jake's Foxtrot, the judges must have given him extra marks last night for the amount of time he spent out of hold.

2. Frankie's Quickstep.

Ignoring the Week 1 trotting Frankie and Kevin did last night, there really wasn't an awful lot of content in that routine.

Worth noting that Kevin choreographed a noticeably more challenging routine for Susanna -

Susanna QS - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsoawRzpiQ0

Frankie QS - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jqbPigZQ4

I wouldn't be at all surprised if they allow Frankie to duck the Jive.
tobi
16-11-2014
Yeah Jake and Frankie seem to be on a plateau, neither getting better at this stage. I would also put Sunetra in there. The rest are working harder I think
vald
16-11-2014
Jake and Caroline are the one's who haven't lived up to their early promise. Frankie has been treading water. Simon has really improved, and even Mark has improved.
Arcana
16-11-2014
As far as I'm concerned Frankie is consistently in the top 4 and so, on current form, certainly does belong in the final.
Mystical123
16-11-2014
The rulebook appears to have gone out the window this year, Len's had about 10 chances to criticise illegal choreography before last night (the end of Jake & Janette's Quickstep in particular), but hasn't done so, so I wasn't surprised that he ignored the lack of Foxtrot content in that AS.

Jake seems to have plateaued, and I think Kevin's choreography is sadly not doing Frankie any favours - throwing the kitchen sink at the samba was never going to turn out well, he should have taken a leaf out of his fiancée's book of samba choreography instead, as Karen managed to create a routine that really worked for Mark, whereas Frankie had a bit too much to contend with, especially on such little training - less is more.

However, then I think Kevin went too far down the less is more route this week and that Quickstep was just a bit flat. Yes, they covered the floor well, but they didn't really do anything else, and I was distracted by Frankie's skippy feet. I was expecting to be wowed and it didn't happen.

I also think wardrobe aren't helping Frankie - those short dresses for ballroom are not flattering. Same happened to Dani Harmer a couple of years ago. And it's nothing to do with the height of the celebrity - Ola, Janette and Kristina are not tall yet all look extremely elegant in long, full-skirted ballroom dresses.

Having said all that though, I still expect Frankie to make the final, even her mediocre weeks are better than most. And Jake may well be popular enough to make the final.
kaycee
16-11-2014
I enjoyed Frankie's quickstep; felt she made it look much easier than it actually was.

Jake, though, I agree with. Jake can't dance ballroom - maybe Janette can't teach it? Who knows.

The few steps of foxtrot Jake did in his so-called AS, were dreadful. His posture was bad, and the whole feel of the dance was wrong; foxtrot is meant to glide across the floor with long smooth steps, not bounce with what almost became a hop skip and a jump! And what planet was Darcey on when she said he - Jake - outdanced the other 2 guys? Sorry Darcey, but you need to remove the rose tinted specs!
mimi dlc
16-11-2014
Originally Posted by kaycee:
“I enjoyed Frankie's quickstep; felt she made it look much easier than it actually was.

Jake, though, I agree with. Jake can't dance ballroom - maybe Janette can't teach it? Who knows.

The few steps of foxtrot Jake did in his so-called AS, were dreadful. His posture was bad, and the whole feel of the dance was wrong; foxtrot is meant to glide across the floor with long smooth steps, not bounce with what almost became a hop skip and a jump! And what planet was Darcey on when she said he - Jake - outdanced the other 2 guys? Sorry Darcey, but you need to remove the rose tinted specs!”

I love the song Feeling Good, even the Booblay version.
But there was nothing smooth about that AS.
Janette has decided that Jake can only do aggressive staccato (she may well be right, of course)
apenny4them
16-11-2014
Originally Posted by vald:
“Jake and Caroline are the one's who haven't lived up to their early promise. Frankie has been treading water. Simon has really improved, and even Mark has improved.”

Caroline hardly qualifies as an "early leader". But she did very well last night considering the difficulty of the routine. I doubt even Pixie could have matched her.

People overlook the fact that last week's Waltz was Caroline's first slow Ballroom. It would have looked a lot better if compared with the performances in Weeks 1 and 2.
Psapp
16-11-2014
I think Pixie is the stand out dancer this series. Caroline and Frankie about equal for 2nd and 3rd place. Simon and Mark are the best male dancers for 4th and 5th. Then would rank them Jake, Sunetra, Steve and Judy. Jake appears to be suffering the most because he hasn't improved and he was vastly overrated with that salsa in the first place, so he gives the appearance of having gotten worse.
kaycee
16-11-2014
Originally Posted by Psapp:
“I think Pixie is the stand out dancer this series. Caroline and Frankie about equal for 2nd and 3rd place. Simon and Mark are the best male dancers for 4th and 5th. Then would rank them Jake, Sunetra, Steve and Judy. Jake appears to be suffering the most because he hasn't improved and he was vastly overrated with that salsa in the first place, so he gives the appearance of having gotten worse.”

Agree - exactly the same way as Sophie (with Brendan) was judged on her Charleston.
Debz_Lynn
16-11-2014
I wonder if Jake is suffering from the Eastenders filming schedule, but keeping quiet about it rather than appeal for sympathy? I remember how it sucked the life out of Scott Maslen's momentum, but not until after he and Natalie gave us THAT jive (to Hit the Road Jack). I think Janette might be smartly covering for that, but compared to the content of other dances, is looking lack lustre.

I adore Kevin, but am glad to see I'm not alone in terns of seeing the weaknesses in his choreo. I also felt that I had seen this year's Paso before...
Mascot
16-11-2014
Frankie might be plateauing slightly, but shes still better overall than pretty much everyone else.

Jake I was expecting to come back with a bang, but that AS was disappointing on a number of levels. The in hold parts were not good at all, and he still looks incredibly stiff. I was expecting these things to have been sorted out by now.
vald
16-11-2014
Originally Posted by apenny4them:
“Caroline hardly qualifies as an "early leader". But she did very well last night considering the difficulty of the routine. I doubt even Pixie could have matched her.

People overlook the fact that last week's Waltz was Caroline's first slow Ballroom. It would have looked a lot better if compared with the performances in Weeks 1 and 2.”

Right from the beginning I've seen her put up there with Pixie and Frankie, people predicting she could win, a real contender. In fact I've seen it suggested that she's better than Pixie and Frankie, only let down by her costumes.
vald
16-11-2014
Originally Posted by Debz_Lynn:
“I wonder if Jake is suffering from the Eastenders filming schedule, but keeping quiet about it rather than appeal for sympathy? I remember how it sucked the life out of Scott Maslen's momentum, but not until after he and Natalie gave us THAT jive (to Hit the Road Jack). I think Janette might be smartly covering for that, but compared to the content of other dances, is looking lack lustre.

I adore Kevin, but am glad to see I'm not alone in terns of seeing the weaknesses in his choreo. I also felt that I had seen this year's Paso before...”

His bosses have given him time off to focus on Strictly.
ESPIONdansant
16-11-2014
I fully expect Frankie to be in the Final. And there has to be a man, hasn't there?

Depends on the bottom 2 combinations. There are a lot of good dancers left so the DOs are going to make for interesting viewing!

Any 4 from Frankie, Pixie, Caroline, Jake, Mark, Simon. Is it 4 in the Final this year? I'm not sure.

Now let's analyse the pros? Kevin, Trent, Pasha, Janette, Karen, Kristina. No previous winners amongst them. Kristina's been around longest but I don't think Simon will garner the votes. I think one of the girls will win. Probably Pixie.
apenny4them
16-11-2014
Originally Posted by vald:
“Right from the beginning I've seen her put up there with Pixie and Frankie, people predicting she could win, a real contender. In fact I've seen it suggested that she's better than Pixie and Frankie, only let down by her costumes.”

Her Paso was the 'worthy finalist' routine for me. Astonishing level of technique, and unlikely to be matched this series.
edy10
16-11-2014
Jake would have done so much better with another pro. He has the potential, he has the ability, it's painfully obvious how Jeanette is out of depth here in ballroom and some Latin dances. However, I still expect them to make the finale and potentially win

Frankie is the 2nd best dancer this year ( after Pixie ) but her downfall may be Kevin's choreography. He just gives her too much sometimes to the point of overpowering her.

I think that based on the last couples of weeks, Simon and Mark deserved to make the finale but I don't think they will. Simon really should make the semi final at least BUT I kind of doubt it at the moment .
Psapp
16-11-2014
Originally Posted by ESPIONdansant:
“I fully expect Frankie to be in the Final. And there has to be a man, hasn't there?

Depends on the bottom 2 combinations. There are a lot of good dancers left so the DOs are going to make for interesting viewing!

Any 4 from Frankie, Pixie, Caroline, Jake, Mark, Simon. Is it 4 in the Final this year? I'm not sure.

Now let's analyse the pros? Kevin, Trent, Pasha, Janette, Karen, Kristina. No previous winners amongst them. Kristina's been around longest but I don't think Simon will garner the votes. I think one of the girls will win. Probably Pixie.”

I'd love Pixie to win if it means we get to keep Trent. I was feeling a bit underwhelmed when I heard Artem wasn't returning this year but Trent's choreography alone has made this series worth viewing. I heard he choreographs with his wife Gordana, so I'd like to see her offered a place next year as well.
Cal Christopher
16-11-2014
Frankie received the first double ten of the series last night and her routine was branded her best yet, I really don't think her star is fading. Just wait until she does an American Smooth / Argentine Tango!
Mr_Eye
16-11-2014
Jake's problem is Janette, she's a crap dancer. There have been female contestants who are better at dancing than she is.

Frankie is great, but I agree she hasn't improved much.

Pixie is probably the best dancer, and Trent is a great choreographer.
Monaogg
16-11-2014
Originally Posted by edy10:
“Jake would have done so much better with another pro. He has the potential, he has the ability, it's painfully obvious how Jeanette is out of depth here in ballroom and some Latin dances. However, I still expect them to make the finale and potentially win

Frankie is the 2nd best dancer this year ( after Pixie ) but her downfall may be Kevin's choreography. He just gives her too much sometimes to the point of overpowering her.

I think that based on the last couples of weeks, Simon and Mark deserved to make the finale but I don't think they will. Simon really should make the semi final at least BUT I kind of doubt it at the moment .”

Think one problem Kevin is not addressing is disguising her pin toes on her left foot.
attackmusic
16-11-2014
Frankie definitely deserves to be in the final. Along with Pix she is the standout dancer. Based on dancing the final should be Pix, Frankie, Caroline and Jake/ Simon.
Reem2011
16-11-2014
Frankie to me will be the winner
vald
16-11-2014
Originally Posted by apenny4them:
“Her Paso was the 'worthy finalist' routine for me. Astonishing level of technique, and unlikely to be matched this series.”

Caroline and Jake have each performed one outstanding dance this series...is it enough to get them both to the final, no idea.
bendymixer
16-11-2014
Originally Posted by kaycee:
“I enjoyed Frankie's quickstep; felt she made it look much easier than it actually was.

Jake, though, I agree with. Jake can't dance ballroom - maybe Janette can't teach it? Who knows.

The few steps of foxtrot Jake did in his so-called AS, were dreadful. His posture was bad, and the whole feel of the dance was wrong; foxtrot is meant to glide across the floor with long smooth steps, not bounce with what almost became a hop skip and a jump! And what planet was Darcey on when she said he - Jake - outdanced the other 2 guys? Sorry Darcey, but you need to remove the rose tinted specs!”

yet again Kaycee we agree - quickstep had good proper content and everyone watching here agreed sadly the viewer is looking for flash over good routine hence people thinking it was lacking content - always ignore Darcey her comments are becoming ridiculous agree with comments re Jake he has flattened out - Janette does not have enough ballroom experience I think
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