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Old 19-11-2014, 19:42
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I can't see how she can be alive, she was dragged away? Unless anyone has a better theory?

However I do think it won't be Freddie as her killer. Again anyone got any theories on this or do you disagree with me?
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Old 19-11-2014, 19:43
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If she's dead though, where's he put her body?
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Old 19-11-2014, 19:46
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If she is dead, then I don't think Freddie killed her. Why wouldn't they show him kill her after that closing scene?
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Old 19-11-2014, 19:48
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If she is dead, then I don't think Freddie killed her. Why wouldn't they show him kill her after that closing scene?
This is the exact question I've asked many times and not once had a logical explanation. If Freddie killed her, we'd have seen him do it. Its just a red herring.


I'm not even 100% sure Mercedes is actually dead.
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Old 19-11-2014, 19:49
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I think he may have just gave her a flesh wound and she blacked out. After that, he moved her out the house. Tomorrow is the 4,000th episode, hopefully we get some kind of Clare Devine exit and see she's fighting fit and off causing trouble somewhere else.
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Old 19-11-2014, 19:54
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I wrote this in the main thread but I really think Mercy and Grace are framing him for Murder. He discovered the 'body' and ran out
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Old 19-11-2014, 19:55
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I think he may have just gave her a flesh wound and she blacked out. After that, he moved her out the house. Tomorrow is the 4,000th episode, hopefully we get some kind of Clare Devine exit and see she's fighting fit and off causing trouble somewhere else.
That would be good. Remind me what happened with Clare? I remember her in the airport with the guy but I didn't really watch around that time anyway so it's all a blur?
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Old 19-11-2014, 19:56
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I wrote this in the main thread but I really think Mercy and Grace are framing him for Murder. He discovered the 'body' and ran out
If that is true then why was Mercedes 'body' being dragged out?
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Old 19-11-2014, 19:56
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I wrote this in the main thread but I really think Mercy and Grace are framing him for Murder. He discovered the 'body' and ran out
How does that explain the dragging body away and cleaning up of the scene?
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Old 19-11-2014, 19:58
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That would be good. Remind me what happened with Clare? I remember her in the airport with the guy but I didn't really watch around that time anyway so it's all a blur?
Epic scene http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddhH6nTliIo
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Old 19-11-2014, 19:59
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If that is true then why was Mercedes 'body' being dragged out?
Grace could have 'dragged' Mercy away, since she's not really dead she could hardly just leave her there, right? She'd still be alive. But made it look like Freddie killed her and hid the body. Freddie could have turned up after and cleaned up the blood after realizing he'd be the main suspect.

Just a theory.
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Old 19-11-2014, 20:01
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Thanks

The sad irony is Clare isn't alive anymore and that really was the most awful death ever! Browning running her down then things just carrying on like that wasn't one of the great characters gone She was awful on her final stint though.
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Old 19-11-2014, 20:02
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That would be good. Remind me what happened with Clare? I remember her in the airport with the guy but I didn't really watch around that time anyway so it's all a blur?
Clare found out as she was leaving Hollyoaks Justin tried to kill her. So she returned and kidnapped Katy - Justin's girlfriend and Warren's little sister. She told Warren Justin let him go down for trying to kill her and either he kills Justin or she kills Katy.

They managed to track Clare and Katy down but their cars went into a lake. Everyone got out but Max failed to rescue Clare and her body floated off to the bottom.

They where glad she was finally dead and out their lives forever until two days later when Clare was seen live and kicking at a airport and finding a new man to con as she sat with him in First Class.

However, her return in 2009 was awful, I know people didn't rate her 2013 return but I liked it that one, her interaction with Mercedes and Browning was brilliant.
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Old 19-11-2014, 20:04
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Grace could have 'dragged' Mercy away, since she's not really dead she could hardly just leave her there, right? She'd still be alive. But made it look like Freddie killed her and hid the body. Freddie could have turned up after and cleaned up the blood after realizing he'd be the main suspect.

Just a theory.
I think we could be talking something along these lines
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Old 19-11-2014, 20:06
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Clare found out as she was leaving Hollyoaks Justin tried to kill her. So she returned and kidnapped Katy - Justin's girlfriend and Warren's little sister. She told Warren Justin let him go down for trying to kill her and either he kills Justin or she kills Katy.

They managed to track Clare and Katy down but their cars went into a lake. Everyone got out but Max failed to rescue Clare and her body floated off to the bottom.

They where glad she was finally dead and out their lives forever until two days later when Clare was seen live and kicking at a airport and finding a new man to con as she sat with him in First Class.

However, her return in 2009 was awful, I know people didn't rate her 2013 return but I liked it that one, her interaction with Mercedes and Browning was brilliant.
Thanks for this Ah miss Warren! Only saw his double act with Brendan Brady... HO seemed brilliant in the days of him, Clare, Justin and Katy
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Old 19-11-2014, 20:12
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Grace could have 'dragged' Mercy away, since she's not really dead she could hardly just leave her there, right? She'd still be alive. But made it look like Freddie killed her and hid the body. Freddie could have turned up after and cleaned up the blood after realizing he'd be the main suspect.

Just a theory.
Grace is desperate for Freddie to pay and she can't kill him as she wants to go straight and have a baby so the only way for her to get that and mercy to get her money is to frame him.
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Old 19-11-2014, 20:15
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Grace is desperate for Freddie to pay and she can't kill him as she wants to go straight and have a baby so the only way for her to get that and mercy to get her money is to frame him.
Yep exactly. It can't be a coincidence that Mercedes went to see Grace for no real reason not long before she 'died'. They easily could have planned it then. This is Mercedes after all. She'd owe nothing to the family thinking she was dead either because after Myra wished her dead, it could kind of be revenge on them as well.
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Old 19-11-2014, 20:17
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I wrote this in the main thread but I really think Mercy and Grace are framing him for Murder. He discovered the 'body' and ran out
Actually this makes the most sense to me.
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Old 19-11-2014, 20:28
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I've only watched the C4 ep but was more shown of Grace at the station?

When she said "I wan't to report a murder & I know who done it" maybe she was talking about Mercedes? Grace & Mercy are setting Freddie up.
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Old 19-11-2014, 20:35
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I've only watched the C4 ep but was more shown of Grace at the station?

When she said "I wan't to report a murder & I know who done it" maybe she was talking about Mercedes? Grace & Mercy are setting Freddie up.
I actually didn't think about that, but you're right. It definitely adds to the theory.

And no, suspiciously nothing was shown after Grace said that at the station.
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Old 19-11-2014, 20:40
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Idiots at Radio Times! http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2014-...calfe-bows-out
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Old 19-11-2014, 20:41
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Didnt Grace say to mercy something along the lines of 'those are my terms, do you aacept them?' just before it cut to the pub scene with Myra?
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Old 19-11-2014, 20:48
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Didnt Grace say to mercy something along the lines of 'those are my terms, do you aacept them?' just before it cut to the pub scene with Myra?
I thought that.
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Old 19-11-2014, 21:02
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Plus, when Grace said she was at the police station "to report a murder" she wouldn't have said that if she was telling them that Freddie killed Fraser!
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Old 19-11-2014, 21:11
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Plus, when Grace said she was at the police station "to report a murder" she wouldn't have said that if she was telling them that Freddie killed Fraser!
Exactly!
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