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Because it created a paradox.
What's wrong with that? I think that one thing we are learning from quantum physics is that existence is infinitely stranger than we believed. Our old way of thinking, based on the ancient Greeks, is increasingly becoming a little inadequate. The universe does not have to be predicated purely on a linear cause and effect basis. Open your mind a little bit. |
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Because it created a paradox. If the toy soldier was with the Doctor, hundreds of years in the past, then it couldn't have been in the children's home for Clara to give to Rupert.
The Soldier goes from A (Rupert) to B (Orson) to C(Clara) to D(Doctor). As to why the Doctor didn't recognise it, we've seen the Doctor can barely remember stuff that happened during his 2nd Incarnation (See The Snowmen) chances are he's probably forgotten (if he even kept it) the odd toy he had 400 years even earlier. |
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Because it created a paradox. If the toy soldier was with the Doctor, hundreds of years in the past, then it couldn't have been in the children's home for Clara to give to Rupert.
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Moreover, why didn't Capaldi recognise the toy when he saw it in Rupert's bedroom if it had been part of his childhood?
Maybe he did, maybe he kept quiet about it. More likely, he wasn't paying any attention. We don't know if he kept it for long as a child.
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Because it created a paradox. If the toy soldier was with the Doctor, hundreds of years in the past, then it couldn't have been in the children's home for Clara to give to Rupert.
Moreover, why didn't Capaldi recognise the toy when he saw it in Rupert's bedroom if it had been part of his childhood? We don't know the full lifecycle of the toy soldier, so almost anything could have happened to it off screen to get it from point A to B to C (or even C to A to B ).As has been noted, the Doctor has exhibited bad memory of events much more recent than those from his childhood. |
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Because it created a paradox. If the toy soldier was with the Doctor, hundreds of years in the past, then it couldn't have been in the children's home for Clara to give to Rupert.
Moreover, why didn't Capaldi recognise the toy when he saw it in Rupert's bedroom if it had been part of his childhood? Back to the OP, no explanations are needed at all. Not every story needs everything explained to be complete
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The Doctor uses chalk to write on something , why? Why chalk? can be rubbed off, there for a minute, maybe more, still can be wiped. So, what can the Doctor write, that stays longer?
So listen, The Doctor says listen but nobody listens, why? Doctor, who do you think you are? A timelord, yes, must be that, what else?
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That's not what I got from it.... From the toy soldiers time line it was at the children's home, Danny passed it from generation to generation until it reached Oraon, Orson gave it to Clara who gave it to The Doctor. No paradox involved.
Back to the OP, no explanations are needed at all. Not every story needs everything explained to be complete ![]() |
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Such broad unsubstantiated generalisations. Many really liked Capaldi and series 8, some considered it to contain some of the best writing of Dr Who....on this site as on other sites.
There is never uniformity of opinion about Dr Who, and that is what makes it so great and long lived.What one person likes,another doesnt. Thats the case between episodes of any series.Long live the variety of response! Its much more important than uniformity of opinion. |
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As I've said before, fandom might like that, but the other 6 million odd viewers may not. Certainly most people who saw 'Listen' had but one thing to say to me - 'The scripts aren't as good anymore.' They also said that about season 8 in general, and I would agree with them, 'Flatline' & 'Mummy' excluded. The same things weren't being said about season 1-7, which is why I noted it.
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As I've said before, fandom might like that, but the other 6 million odd viewers may not. Certainly most people who saw 'Listen' had but one thing to say to me - 'The scripts aren't as good anymore.' They also said that about season 8 in general, and I would agree with them, 'Flatline' & 'Mummy' excluded. The same things weren't being said about season 1-7, which is why I noted it.
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As I've said before, fandom might like that, but the other 6 million odd viewers may not. Certainly most people who saw 'Listen' had but one thing to say to me - 'The scripts aren't as good anymore.' They also said that about season 8 in general, and I would agree with them, 'Flatline' & 'Mummy' excluded. The same things weren't being said about season 1-7, which is why I noted it.
I joined the Doctor Who Appreciation Society in 1979 and I was stunned by the sheer amount of vitriol and hatred directed at Douglas Adams and Graham Williams. DWAS reviewers slated that 1979 season, frequently saying that, without a shadow of doubt, 'the scripts weren't as good as they used to be'. Things never change - for every person who likes the new series, there'll be another who hates it. That's fandom. That's life. What I'm most amazed by in your post is the fact that you claim that 'most people who saw Listen' have actually spoken to you and have said just one thing 'the scripts aren't as good anymore' . That's astonishing - a) that you had the time to actually speak to most of the 7.8 million people who watched that episode, and b) none of those people had the wit to think of anything else to say about it. Amazing. |
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A timelord, yes, must be that, what else?