Edwina will have heard it all before I suspect

People are basing their opinion of the situation based on their perception of both people in their professional/private lives.

If Melanie Sykes had been the one to challenge Kendra it would be a very different situation on here.

I really don't like Edwina Currie and I know nothing about Kendra to form an opinion. But I'm so so glad that I'm able to form an objective opinion over this. I speak as I find and what saw was someone preaching on and on to an attentive audience and somebody else challenging them on an opinion. Then the other person took offence that they were challenged and launched a foul mouthed tirade.

Kendra is like a lot of people these days unfortunately they can't debate a point without swearing and insulting. It's like social media seeping into the real world. They think they shouldn't be challenged and we should just grin and bear it. Upbringing and everything else is no excuse.

I still don't like Edwina Currie but I'll stick up for anybody I agree with friend or foe and I'm happy I can be impartial like that.

I think you are being unfair in assuming that everyone else is incapable of taking an objective view. It seems to me that plenty of us have done that. Other than that, I agree with most of what you say here.

I'm an older lady and a mum and I have to say that I'm more team Kendra than Edwina, although I don't agree with Kendra's lifestyle or condone Kendra's foul-mouthed tirade in any shape or form. At the same time I find it very hard to respect the opinion of someone who had an affair for four years with someone else's husband and behind her own husband's back.
Personally I don't think Edwina is in any position to judge Kendra and I can't help wondering why she was apparently so inflamed by Kendra's views while the others didn't appear to be. Vicki and Mel are both mums and older ladies and yet we did not see them question Kendra's opinion. IMO it was Edwina repeating, emphatically, 'You're a mother!' that sent Kendra into a meltdown. Seems Edwina forgets she was a mother too when she had her affair. Was she thinking of others then?

what I heard was Edwina telling her that she cant just do things for herself when shes a mother...................Edwina had waited her time to pounce after Kendra kicked this all off over a pair of missing socks that she blamed Edwina for swearing then as she spoke of what had happened..

What has either Kendras private life or Edwina curries private life got to do with anything? You can't go around saying I don't respect your opinion because you've had an affair. Bloody hell that would be an absurd way to lead a life. You'd basically have to discount most people as there aren't many perfect people out there.

what I heard was Edwina telling her that she cant just do things for herself when shes a mother...................Edwina had waited her time to pounce after Kendra kicked this all off over a pair of missing socks that she blamed Edwina for swearing then as she spoke of what had happened.. At no time did Edwina insinuate that Kendra shouldnt be in the jungle when she has kids...

I may have been hearing things, because I've been ill for the last few days, but didn't Kendra say Edwina belonged asleep? For that reason alone, I'm siding with Edwina. Quite a horrible thing to say if I understand it completely (or it's just ill-brain), and the way Edwina dealt with it cracked me up.

Whatever the rights and wrongs of this particular affray, in making an adversary of Edwina Kendra has bitten off more than she can chew. The only one of that lot who could take Edwina on and win would be Michael Buerk. I doubt he will, but I'd like to see it.

Very interesting reading in this thread.


Quite.


I'm exactly there - if Edwina had approached it slightly differently she'd have my full support; as it is, she has most of it. What have we become when someone is allowed to spout utter, utter bo***x in the expectation of accolades? Surely, there was more than Edwina who realized that Kendra was, as usual, spouting utter, utter b***x?


What a depressing sentence that (in bold) is! SOME politicians are snakes, sure; but then again, so are many people in many walks of life. A great many politicians spend years achieving academically, followed by years of slogging it to a position where they can be elected, followed by years working day and night and being at their constituents every beck and call; followed by years of making incredibly difficult, complex and challenging decisions with the weight of the world on their shoulders. I really, really wonder why anyone bothers, given the fact that the opinion you just iterated is so commonly held.

'All journalists are scum, all politicians are snakes' Take a step outside your limited little borders (literal and figurative) and see what you'd have without a free press and a democratic political system.


That's exactly what it was - vacuous bleating - an appeal for both sympathy and admiration for a tawdry little life experience.


Ah, this was the bit that got us in my house. Before the argument ever started, we were looking at each other - role model - eh? For fortuitously shagging an octogenarian and never working a day in your life?


Social media is like a virulent disease, most of the time. It's utterly depressing what people post and you're right, Kendra speaks like a scummy twitter timeline.

Never trust a sock thief, that's what started it all.....

Well just watched it and i thought Kendra was rude very disgustedly so whih sukcd cause I liked her but not so much anymore.
Not because of the argument persee but how she played the victim afterwards.

Low tactics which Edwina did not do and as chickenfromkiev (whats in a name lol) said when Kendra told Edwina she should (belonged to be asleep I immediately disliked Kendra. Such a low blow. bah

Thought Edwina's tone was not the nicest but apparently she always talks like that plus I also did not like how Melanie and some others were sticking up for kendra when that was not necessary.

With all due respect, why do you assume that everybody else is basing their opinion on their prior biased views of the women involved whilst you are alone are capable of being objective?

That minor point aside, i am very much in agreement with you. I as i've already said somewhere (not sure if it is on this thread) have disliked Edwina Currie for her political views and personal statement since the 1980s so should by your logic be slanted against her. Kendra i knew nothing about although obviously i am aware of hefner's reputation for having multiple girlfriends and the Playboy Mansion. I make absolutely no judgement about either of their sex lives, they're consenting adults and so were the men they were involved with. Currie didn't force the married Major to sleep with her.

So, i am judging urely on what aired last night like you and i expect many people. And my view is that Currie had a point but she expressed it in rather an abrasive way. She should have given Kendra a chance to explain what she meant in a different way rather than picking apart the phrase like a prosecuting lawyer. But Kendra is clearly intellectually or emotionally incapable of debating rationally and went way over the top with her foul mouthed response. She also seems to believe that nobody had the right to challenge her views in the first pace. Finally she ignored Edwina saying that she was sorry and hadn't intended to upset her.

So in this case, i can see fault on both sides but would have to say I agree more with Eddwina. Despite my intense general dislike of her.

Yes she did say she belonged asleep. Which is actually a very nasty and offensive thing to say. Basically it is implying that nobody wants her there or for her to join in conversations, they can't get her out of camp but the next best thing would be for her to be unconscious and not contributing.

Kendra

When Edwina had the affair with John Major, he was not in the cabinet., They were both ordinary MPs

Yes, so many people seem to get this wrong. And as for it helping her career, iirc all her promotions came under thatcher's regime, not Majors.

I think both looked like complete numpties.

Kendra for saying what she said, then didn't try to back up her statement but let the others try to explain it for her. Still if given the opportunity she may have meant you have to look after yourself before you have the ability to look after others (although I doubt that was the intent).

Edwina for her patronising "Count me out". I would've agreed with the sentiment but not the way it was said.

Then Kendra again for her "Old woman picking on me cos I'm young" sort of statement, sorry but she lost any kind of highground she may have had with that as she then verbally attacked the old woman. It was like saying "Don't hate me cos I'm beautiful, ugly mug". Ergh.

I think Kendra had bottled up the sock incident, and Edwina gave her the stick she then used to beat Ed with.

I can't stand Edwina and when she interrupted the conversation she should have done it in a more polite and less authoritarian and dismissive manner. However after listening to Kendra spouting such sickening bull, I think she would have got my back up too. Does anyone ever question her? I would think not after seeing the shocking display of foul mouthed personal attack and aggression, she acted out. Has she been pandered to all her life because of her foul temper? She totally ignored Edwina's apology and went on ranting. She needs to learn how to hold a discussion and not regard a differing opinion as being looked down on.

I can't stand Kendra. At least Edwina is educated enough to speak without having a potty mouth.

Actually that might be true, ridiculous as it sounds. Anyone but Kendra would have gone over to Edwina and taken the contested socks back. There is no reason to disbelieve Edwina's error in thinking they had three pairs each. Instead, Kendra just stomped off, saying, "I'll just have one pair then!" It's not as if Edwina had tried to say or imply that she couldn't have the other pair; it was just that Kendra seemed to prefer the feeling of being wronged to actually having a second pair of socks.

This. Both of them were well off the Mark. It was embarrassing for both. Thank god for Mel.

Kendra had heard some shallow line some time, thought it was deep, and repeated it as if she was imparting some great wisdom to the viewing audience, not expecting its truth to be challenged. Edwina actually considered what the statement meant, questioned the morals behind it, and felt it would irresponsible to let it stand. Team Edwina for the point she was making, but not the way she made it.

Well said.

I think I actually veer towards Kendra on this. I appreciate her life philosophy has holes in it but then it seemed more like a mantra than a real thing unless of course Edwina's criticism of it is right, and Kendra never does consider her children or family, but I don't believe that for a moment.

Taking Edwina's part at face value, she was just shining a practical light on a hazy belief system. However in so doing, whether she intended it or not, it did had the consequence of sounding like she was criticising Kendra's decision to leave her kids and come on this show or make other career choices that might involve not obviously putting her kids first .

Kendra clearly and rightly felt attacked by this but didn't really have the capabilities to defend her view in any credible way. She then lost any moral high ground she might have had by screaming obscenities.

I really can't help thinking it was a bit engineered by Edwina. She did say she wanted to cause trouble and she is of course clever enough to spot a chance and do her best to provoke. Managing to remain calm in the face of Kendra was probably very, vey easy for Edwina and she looked so much better for it.