While being patronising and passive agressive

Someone else pointed out the meaning of passive aggressive in another thread and in this case I think it would apply more to Kendra than Edwina. Kendra was the one who ended up in tears and seeking sympathy after giving Edwina a foul mouthed rant. That to me is what I'd call passive aggressive.

I'm not taking any sides BTW, as I thought it was a pretty pathetic point scoring exercise from both of them.

Yes, I don't think Edwina Currie could ever be accused of being passive.

Kendra is quite good at manipulation. Look at her first, second and third trial and then her reaction to the CIA task? She is playing a game and whoever was in the right or wrong, you do not speak to an elderly lady in that manner. Can you imagine if Edwina Curry had used that type of language and aggression to another camp mate and how the media would have handled it?

Excellent description!

She was not agressive.

Kendra. Edwina butted in and was completely patronising and worst of all, repeated the line "you are a mother". Trying to imply Kendra didn't put her kids first was way out of line, especially considering her own past actions that were exceptionally selfish and certainly not for the benefit of her kids.

I don't agree with Kendra's philosophy but I understand why she was furious due to Edwina mentioning her kids, rudely saying "count me out" and just generally being pompous and unpleasant. If she had simply asked Kendra what she meant that would have been fine, but she went in like a bull in a china shop and rightly got told where to go.

Kendra implied that she always put herself before anyone. That would include her kids.

Yes, which is why if Edwina simply questioned it I wouldn't have minded. But the way she went in was unnecessary, even after Mel explained that wasn't what Kendra was saying. I know what Kendra was trying to say but her phrasing was awful and I do get why Edwina was baffled, but I didn't like her manner.

No she didn't say that - she said "You should never live your life for other people" which Edwina took to mean you shouldn't consider other people. Mel and Nadia tried to explain to Edwina that she meant you shouldn't be influenced by other people, which Kendra agreed that was what she meant, but Edwina had got a bee in her bonnet and wasn't interested in listening to any explanations - watch it again if you don';t believe me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZvRewV3OYo

Exactly this. Edwina was bang out of order.

Edwina

When did Mel become a mind reader ?

Classic passive aggressive behaviour :

10. "Why Are You Getting So Upset?"

The passive aggressive person is a master at maintaining his calm and feigning shock when others, worn down by his indirect hostility, blow up in anger. In fact, he takes pleasure out of setting others up to lose their cool and then questioning their "overreactions."

taken from http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/...-phrases-avoid

Well, for once, I was actually in agreement with Edwina.

But really, whatever Edwina said and whether I agreed with her point or not, that outburst from Kendra was utterly out of order and totally over the top. Completely uncalled for.

Kendra just showed herself to be aggressive and foul mouthed. Who does she think she's inspiring with that attitude and behaviour?

The same time as me and the poster you quoted became one

Kendra said "You should never live your life for other people" You wouldn't normally call your children other people. Edwina either saw an opportunity to wind Kendra up and cause drama or she is just naturally pedantic and stubborn: take your pick

If what you think is what Kendra thought (although how you'd know what Kendra was thinking I'm unsure) why didn't she tell Edwina, children are exempt, instead of spouting foul mouthed vitriol?

Interesting thread! It was hard to decide on the poll because they're both equally horrible but I went with Edwina in the end because Kendra lost all credibility with her ridiculous OTT reaction. She is a classic self-absorbed narcissist and anything that sticks in a pin in that bubble is good.

Don't agree with kendra outburst at all.

Saying that Edwina is not a pleasant person in my view. I think she has banked on the fact that most people would dislike Kendra for being a playmate and sleeping with an old man.
I think that Edwina has deliberately chosen Kendra as being the one to go up against.
It was very telling in a comment that she said tonight which was along the lines of 'this is a British show' when referring to Kendras behaviour.

Another thing I picked up about Edwina in her first couple, of days when referring to the CIA was how she said 2 opposing things.
1 That she can lie as thats what politicians do.
2. Shes one of the good politicians that don't lie.

Both on the same night. So she basically says what she thinks she should at that point.

As I said not keen on the way kendra acted but Edwina imho is a nasty piece of work.

I heard Kendra say "You should never live your life for other people" Didn't you? Did you think she meant her children were part of other people As I said, you wouldn't normally call your children other people.

It was obvious to me and am puzzled why it wouldn't be so to others.

I've posted on this thread earlier and already said Kendra lost any moral high ground because of her outburst.

Edwina said you are a mother and from Kendra came there no response other than foul mouthed abuse.

If you're suggesting, like Edwina, that Kendra puts herself before her children then fair do's but Kendra obviously doesn't believe that is the case and that is clearly what lead to her outburst.

I am not suggesting anything. Kendra unfortunately didn't respond in any way that remotely explained to anyone what she had meant or did mean following Edwina's interjection. It's you who is explaining away Kendra's speech to the camp and her unacceptable diatribe afterwards.

Not at all. The initial post you quoted of mine was responding to someone else and included a reference to another poster that indicated Kendra's meaning. I agree with this meaning and that is the point: it is possible to infer a meaning from what she said. After all that is what we normally do in life. I didn't think she included her children when she said "You should never live your life for other people". Edwina clearly did think she meant to include her children. I don't know where you stand on it as you're not suggesting anything

I've already said that Kendra lost any moral high ground with her outburst but certainly get that she was frustrated at Edwina's intimation that she didn't consider her children in her decision making.

Interesting thread. Must say that I was originally on the side of Edwina but after reading the comments I am not sure.

They both come from a sense of entitlement. Edwina with her condescending superior attitude, being from a political background she cannot shake off that every discussion, even if she is eavesdropping has to be challenged especially if she doesn't agree. Edwina must be a bloody nightmare to live with. What needed to happen is for Jimmy to pick her up and throw her in the pool and to be told to lighten up.

Kendra - another one with a sense of entitlement: from the wrong side of the tracks but ended up at 18 being in the Playboy Mansion and having sex with a 70 year old - jeez that would either send you nuts or actually turn it on it's head and actually enjoy that lifestyle and being able to go dating other men, get engaged and have a million dollar wedding at the mansion where you were being screwed by the old owner. Telling that story she obviously thought they would be impressed, when actually everyone of them was thinking 'yuck'. She is deluded, she thinks she is interesting but she is far from it, she think she is famous - but really, for what? Of course she can spout off what she likes about how one should live their life but in reality she is talking a load of bull and when you have the likes of Edwina listening in then she is one woman who won't tolerate bullshit. What needed to happen was for Jimmy to pick her up as well, throw her in the pool and tell her to lighten up and do the bloody tasks and stop faking !


In short both are not very likeable women.