I don't despise either - they are all getting what they want from it. Who are we to question what is right or wrong for them?

I agree completely. When I saw JLo, a 45 year old woman, parading herself on some music award show the other night, I wondered why she didn't know better. I'm sure she proclaimed some sort of female empowerment like Madonna did before her and Myley Cyrus and others do now. The only one who has her head on straight, so far, is Taylor Swift.

I know the Rolling Stones were habitues at the Playboy Mansion, as was Bill Murray of all people, and I think Johnny Depp too. Absolutely disgusting. I think its fallen into ruin now, but it is in a great location and the property is worth a bundle.

As for Kendra, I think she is very self conscious of her body. She had a C-Section in May, and she is not in her usual shape. Notice how she wears a one piece suit all the time and covers up? I find it sad. It does show her inner insecurities. I think she'll never diss Hefner because he became like a father figure to her.

To be honest, she became famous because of the reality show revolving around the Mansion. There were many other playmates there who are not famous. I think people liked her bubbly personality and chose to ignore the real facts of what was going on there.

And Kendra really isn't famous. I venture to say the great majority of people here do not know who she is. I watch reality shows, so I do.

Didn't one of the Stones marry some young chick who then went on reality shows?

I believe that is true.

There was lots of ways that she could have responded, including 'pot/kettle' but instead, she chose to be vulgar and abusive. I'm not normally into sanctions but feel she should receive a warning for her behaviour.

Don't have a problem with stone throwing but not sure that being potty mouthed is an appropriate response. If Kendra intended to rile or demean Edwina, I don't think she was successful, rather, Kendra further demonstrated that her moral compass is out of action.

Really? Now that's an exciting prospect!

I think you mean a great grandfather figure to her.

Can't stand Edwin , kendra was always going to lose in an argument with her, she can't articulate the way Edwina can, kendra lost points when she started screaming and swearing at her, Edwina knew what she was doing, she was a politician,

I hope they starve. Was disappointed that no-one had the courage to tell Kendra that her behaviour was not on. Nadia said that she could see both sides of the argument but the issue for me was not about differing viewpoints but Kendra's vitriolic response. The campers have molly-coddled Kendra by accepting her lame attempts at tasks and making her a CIA member (yes, there was also a food agenda - thing is, it didn't occur to her that this might be why she was chosen) but it's time that someone confronted her. She's totally self serving, self absorbed and quite pathetic.

About that swimming costume - the black one - that's the best ever piece of swimwear worn by a female contestant in this show ever!

It isn't her usual swimming get up.

I don't know what she normally wears or doesn't wear ... I'm just saying that that black number was fabulous!

I don't think she viewed him like a great grandfather at all, well at least I hope not.

Didn't she engage in sexual shenanigans with the repulsive old man.

Ok- More a Jimmy Savile type figure then- although at least she was 18 and consented.

I defy anyone to say it was a 'genuine' relationship, though.

As Mrs Merton once said to Debbie Magee- 'What was it that first attracted you to the multi millionaire Paul Daniels? Was it his money?'

Wasn't Jimmy warned earlier about his use of bad language?

Jimmy is allways being warned I think they've given up on him now

Bill Wyman and Mandy Smith.

No, I think I was thinking of Ron Wood. didn't he have a very young Russian or Polish girlfriend who then went on Celeb BB?

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