I absolutely abhor Edwina Currie Kendra did overreact but Edwina's attitude didn't help matters. Norma Major might also have something to say about Edwina putting other people before herself. I'm sure Edwina's maternal instincts were front and centre when she chose to have an affair with a married man.

I always find your moral compass a bit of an enigma.

I am certainly not going to defend EC's treatment of Norma major, but with respect to THIS conversation, it is surely unreasonable to expect her to think, "I'd certainly better not express any opinions because I am a BAD, BAD person."

During the five minutes under discussion, she was no more than mildly annoying, and Kendra was dreadful. "Go back to sleep, where you belong!" - yes, a fine debating point; I don't know about you, but I was certainly won over to Kendra's point of view there.

So Edwina Currie's game has began. Watch her pick them off one by one. I can't believe the public can't see though that move.

Kendra's outburst was disgusting, I used to watch her on the Playboy Mansion show, she really has had a tough upbringing and she's obviously not educated. I'm not at all surprised she has anger issues, the decision to become one of Hef's girls speaks volumes.

Michael Burke summed it up well, Kendra is not living in the same world as them.

I see it slightly differently. Edwina butted in forcefully with her opinion which was directed at Kendra in a judgemental and personal way. She wasn't just entering into the spirit of debate or conversation. It was more a case of you are wrong and I am right. I don't think it helped that Edwina had nicked her socks earlier, either

I'm afraid I can't be impartial about EC. As I said I abhor her, having had the misfortune of meeting her when she was an MP and when she was a minister.
I don't think there was any attempt at a debate from either of them tbh. Imo EC certainly didn't butt into the convo to spark a debate.

Kendra was saying "you shouldn't live your life for others" ie you should live your life in a way which is true to yourself and not be too influenced by the opinions of other people. This was 100% obvious to me. However, Edwina chose to interpret what she was saying as "you shouldn't care about anyone else apart from yourself."

By misunderstanding in this way, Edwina was either being thick or disingenuous. Now I would tend towards the latter, as she is a politician after all.

She then began laying into the girl, popping up from her hammock to deliver her "judgement" on an inferior being who she clearly dispises.

In my opinion she has been waiting patiently for an opportunity to take down Kendra. That is the sort of nasty person she is.

"Sometimes you have to put others first Kendra." Oh how holier than thou! Was she thinking of others when she was having her affair with John Majpr?

Edwina rocks!

She told the silly floozie that the psychobabble she was spouting was rubbish and NOT the way to live your life..... I thought Kendra did mean that you should do what you think is right for yourself, regardless of anyone else, which as any sensible person knows is just not possible, except in Kendras little bubble.

Any mother will tell you that you would do almost ANYTHING to protect your children - even if it means putting their safety happiness and wellbeing before your own - and what Kendra was saying implied that she would always put herself and her needs first - she was quite rightly challenged on it!

The vote for the trial showed who the public felt was in the wrong (especially as the other "it might be you!" Person is not necessarily in the bottom two!

Kendras refusal to even try the trials when doing them without an audience shows that she doesn't give a stuff about the other camp mates - hopefully, if she doesn't perform well (as I fully expect her to do) they won't give her too much airtime, and show us more of the situations going on in e camp!

If you can't be impartial then I'll have to discount your opinion.

I think the point is that Kendra didn't instigate or invite a debate in the first place. When someone is having a conversation with a group of people it's incredibly rude for someone outside of the circle to bellow into the group in the middle of the conversation an opinion that has not been solicited. I get where Kendra was coming from and I believe Edwina did too but she deliberately ignored the points that Kendra was trying to make and turned the conversation around to a different perception of the topic just to get her own point of view across. Kendra used foul language but Edwina was very rude so it's 1-1 I think but the situation was instigated by Edwina's interference and ego.

It wasn't 'an audience with'

If she's happy preaching to the camp, she should be happy to take opinions from the camp. Kendra was far Ruder than Edwina it wasn't even close. F this and f that is just vile, not even the same ball park.
I'm astonished that people think what Kendra said is almost acceptable or not that bad. Says a lot.

I think Edwina was annoyed earlier by Kendra swearing about her socks going missing....blaming Edwina who had kept calm and waited her chance when Kendra was giving her speech about how she sees life.... Kendra has a massive chip on her shoulder about her past and waiting to be judged... was there no one there for Kendra when she was a teenager.. I think not.. when she could rush into the arms of an old sleaze...... Edwina was wrong too with her uppitiy butting in... but think she was seething from earlier on when grumpy Kendra lost it over socks... Edwina is sharp and knew that Kendra would snap and embarrass herself after her earlier outburst.. To me Kendra put the kettle on but Edwina was like a cat after her prey...

Well you know, Kendra could have explained what she meant instead of acting as if disagreeing with her was a vile and disgusting act. As I said, I got the impression that Kendra has come across very little disagreement in her adult life and has no way of dealing with it.

Exactly.

Not a fan of either of them really but Kendra well out of order, fed up with her, would like to see her voted out early, doubt it though, think Edwina brings more than Kendra, eewwwwwwwwwwwwww

In your opinion of course because you cannot possibly speak for everyone

I think rudeness is every bit as unacceptable as swearing.

Intolerance of the opinions of others says alot too

Kendra did attempt to explain what she meant, Mel tried to explain it to Edwina too as did a couple of others but Edwina had a motive and was sticking with it regardless.

Kendra played the victim after her tirade of swearing.... but the others have to remember that Kendra started this earlier on over a pair of socks she claimed Edwina had taken...she was swearing then too.. if she loses it over socks, god help us ......Im not keen on Edwina but shes not daft and waited her time after the socks debacle to tackle Kendra like a cat.

I agree totally with this. But everyone seemed to agree that they all had two pairs of socks whilst Edwina said she had three and Kendra only one pair. Folk on ITV2 said how important possessions are in that camp. Kendra had left her second pair drying and they had vanished. If they were mine I'd be feeling pretty miffed too.

Isn't the point that Kendra understood immediately what Edwina was trying on? She knew that Edwina wasn't interested in having the discussion or being objective, she realised Edwina was determined to misconstrue what she was saying, to not let her finish explaining her beliefs and to twist what she meant around and feed it back to the captive audience.
Kendra was affronted and rightly so that someone would be so rude as to interrupt and attempt to override her when she was herself wrangling with how to express a subject that had huge meaning for her, she was opening herself up thinking she was with friends before she was unjustifiably attacked from an outsider to the situation. She reacted defensively in an emotional way because of her youth.
Edwina knew so well what she was doing, looking for the chink in someone's armour to try and tear them down and seizing upon a few words taken out of contest to try to paint someone into a corner. The actions of a lowlife. or a politician.

Edwina Currie, the parasitical politician that she is, sensed vulnerability and made her move, thinking she could get one over on the dumb (in her mind) blonde, American bimbo, she just didn't expect the girl to have so much self belief and inner strenght about her.
She was scalded lol. And is was really obvious when she was sitting by the fire later, she kept looking over and Kendra slyly and she didn't look smug at all, she looked like a pricked balloon.

Kendra did a great job of being fearless in the face of blatent hostility and bullying from Edwina.
Edwina was trying a little of the Delphi principle on her, that is, trying to get the others to turn on her and make her feel isolated into silence with her opinion. She was convinced this old bully tactic would be successful and staggered that it failed.

I love the way Kendra just sees Edwina for the sly, underhanded, manipulative, fraudulent old crow she is and wasn't one bit fazed by her notoriety Edwina thinks all us little people are going to kowtow and is in a state of shock when it doesn't happen. Kendra talked to her as an equal!!!. The people that don't applaud Kendra are afraid I think. Afraid because they know deep down they haven't got the same courage and would probly lick Edwina's boot in the right circumstance.

Kendra was angry that a pair of her socks she had washed out had gone missing, and asked Edwina if she had taken them and how many pairs she had to which Edwina said she had three pairs, Vicky then said I have only got two pairs each person is issued with two pairs of socks Edwina made no attempt to give back the socks to Kendra leaving her with one pair, if I was her I would be pi*sed as well.....

Kendra - 'She's from the politics worlds, I'm from the reality TV world, we're different'

As if the two 'vocations' can be compared on equal terms.

Edwina's an old boiler, but Kendra needed to be called out on the shit she was speaking.

I'm inclined to believe that Edwina knew exactly what she was doing. To me, it was a case of kicking someone when they're down. I didn't think Kendra's language was over-the-top though.

Oh, there's no doubt that Edwina is well aware that the reason she's been hired is to stir things up in camp. Was Kendra 'down', though? It didn't look that way to me. I think she was fair game for anyone to challenge. Edwina's manner was obnoxious (as was Kendra's), but I don't think challenging the view that Kendra was spouting was underhand or out of order.

Sorry but Kendra wasn't given the courtesy of being allowed to finish what she was speaking. She was trying to say something positive about being in control of your own life and decisions and not being compromised by other people's needs and desires. Old Edwina Currie couldn't let her finish because she a/ didn't want people to 'get' what Kendra was saying and 'b' she wanted to impose her own meaning on what Kendra was about to say in order to try to make it look selfish and distorted.
Kendra knew what Edwina was at and was angry that Edwina was deliberately intent on keeping trying to throw her off course and bait her. Why should she not have been angry? Why do people feel so terrified when they see somebody standing up for themselves and rocking the boat nowadays? That's the real unfortunate thing.

Like John Lydon said, Anger is an energy.

^^^^^All good points^^^^^

And why are people so offended by a few swear words and a bit of anger, is it because its not the British thing to do, the British never complain enough that is why as a nation we have become a walkover.....