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Old 25-11-2014, 14:16
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"Is Kendra right to expect people to listen to her spouting absolute bollocks and was Edwina right to engage an unarmed person in a battle of wits?"
Absolutely perfect description of what happened!
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Old 25-11-2014, 14:21
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I'm not sure how much is down to the editing but I have felt that Edwina has been annoyed with Kendra for a while and been looking for a way to bring her down. I certainly felt the way she butted in last night was deliberately to provoke Kendra. The way she just said something and then lay down with her eyes closed so as to not invite a response was really rude.

Edwina is an intelligent woman and she was dealing with someone who doesn't seem to be as aware as she is.
Compare how Craig dealt with a similar situation with Gemma when she was moaning about being hungry all the time. Craig managed to make Gemma aware of how she was coming across without being mean or provoking an argument. Edwina was deliberately provoking Kendra to behave in a way which would come across badly.

When I saw the trailers about the show I was sure I was going to be thinking Kendra is a potty mouth but I actually felt more sorry for her and though Edwina was being manipulative against her.
That's just how I think it's happened.
I expected not to like Kendra from the beginning tbh but she doesn't seem like a bad sort really. She's honest.
Edwina has been toying with her and Kendra knows it.
You can't just keep poking and poking a stick at a bear and not expect it to bite back eventually.
She was just dishing out to Edwina precisely what Edwina has been serving up to her for quite a while now and of course because they are all in close proximity in a confined area with no where to run things are going to heat up a lot more than they would ordinarily.
Edwina acts like a nasty schoolgirl bully and it's totally unbecoming for someone of her advanced years and Kendra was correct to point it out.
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Old 25-11-2014, 14:27
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Absolutely perfect description of what happened!
I don't think Kendra did too badly at all. I especially liked the way she asked Edwina if she was the Queen of England now? LOL. She mightn't have had the right words and got frustrated but she put the crone in her place, believe me.
Edwina was looking really lame later on. If you listened to what Kendra said she summed Edwina up in a nutshell and the old lady just knew she had asked for it.
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Old 25-11-2014, 15:00
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Isn't the point that Kendra understood immediately what Edwina was trying on? She knew that Edwina wasn't interested in having the discussion or being objective, she realised Edwina was determined to misconstrue what she was saying, to not let her finish explaining her beliefs and to twist what she meant around and feed it back to the captive audience.
Kendra was affronted and rightly so that someone would be so rude as to interrupt and attempt to override her when she was herself wrangling with how to express a subject that had huge meaning for her, she was opening herself up thinking she was with friends before she was unjustifiably attacked from an outsider to the situation. She reacted defensively in an emotional way because of her youth.
Edwina knew so well what she was doing, looking for the chink in someone's armour to try and tear them down and seizing upon a few words taken out of contest to try to paint someone into a corner. The actions of a lowlife. or a politician.

Edwina Currie, the parasitical politician that she is, sensed vulnerability and made her move, thinking she could get one over on the dumb (in her mind) blonde, American bimbo, she just didn't expect the girl to have so much self belief and inner strenght about her.
She was scalded lol. And is was really obvious when she was sitting by the fire later, she kept looking over and Kendra slyly and she didn't look smug at all, she looked like a pricked balloon.

Kendra did a great job of being fearless in the face of blatent hostility and bullying from Edwina.
Edwina was trying a little of the Delphi principle on her, that is, trying to get the others to turn on her and make her feel isolated into silence with her opinion. She was convinced this old bully tactic would be successful and staggered that it failed.

I love the way Kendra just sees Edwina for the sly, underhanded, manipulative, fraudulent old crow she is and wasn't one bit fazed by her notoriety Edwina thinks all us little people are going to kowtow and is in a state of shock when it doesn't happen. Kendra talked to her as an equal!!!. The people that don't applaud Kendra are afraid I think. Afraid because they know deep down they haven't got the same courage and would probly lick Edwina's boot in the right circumstance.
I love this post! Brilliant.
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Old 25-11-2014, 15:05
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That's just how I think it's happened.
I expected not to like Kendra from the beginning tbh but she doesn't seem like a bad sort really. She's honest.
Edwina has been toying with her and Kendra knows it.
You can't just keep poking and poking a stick at a bear and not expect it to bite back eventually.
She was just dishing out to Edwina precisely what Edwina has been serving up to her for quite a while now and of course because they are all in close proximity in a confined area with no where to run things are going to heat up a lot more than they would ordinarily.
Edwina acts like a nasty schoolgirl bully and it's totally unbecoming for someone of her advanced years and Kendra was correct to point it out.
Is this really what has been happening, or is it just what you think might have happened?
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Old 25-11-2014, 15:32
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Kendra was just letting it rip instead of worrying about the consequences and fair play to her for just being herself. Of course people will view people who get angry and loose control as having lost the argument but it takes time to learn how to keep your head and retaliate calmly and with wisdom and Kendra hasn't reached that stage yet maybe. Or maybe she was just seriously pissed off.

I wonder what people would be saying about her if she had allowed herself to be silenced and let Edwina away with the taunting?
I can't help noticing that Kendra's supporters (but not Edwina's supporters) are demanding an extraordinary amount of latitude for her that they are not in the least willing to grant to Edwina. Kendra was 'being honest' and 'being herself'; only a prude would object to her torrent of f-words; Edwina was a 'bitter old crone' who 'should have known better'; she was 'butting in', as if it was a private conversation (which it obviously wasn't); Edwina was a 'bully' and 'baiting' her; she 'knew what she was after'; it is not Kendra's fault if, at 28, she 'hasn't reached the stage' of being able to speak calmly to someone who disagrees with her.

This is all utter nonsense, and often viciously ageist. They were two adult women; both were probably a bit homesick and a bit lonely, because people ARE when they are away from everyone they know. There was no conversation for Edwina to 'butt into', just Kendra holding forth to the group at large; there was no bullying by Edwina, no abuse or personal attacks or manipulation or trying to manipulate people against Kendra, just someone disagreeing, forcefully, but no more so than the way Kendra was speaking herself.
IWhat I have seen is people being shocked by Kendra's anger and her screaming tantrum (which is what it was in essence) and the attitude she displayed to someone else. Not only that, no-one has mentioned yet the fact that the other campmates, being in such close proximity, were affected by this.
They were, yes. They seemed panicked by Kenra's outburst, and rushed to try and calm her down. Afterwards, Mel said that really Kendra should have apologised, but "that's just me". And Kendra managed to ruin a 10-star meal with drinks. I am not sure what the Star was getting at, if anything, saying that someone wants to leave the camp, but I hope it's Kendra, and I hope she does. From briefly seeming like a feisty and lively person, she has become a real misery, not even pretending to try at trials. Watching Melanie doing a trial after Kendra was like watching a combine harvester following a particularly weak slug across a field.

I think Edwina was wrong to do what she did. She was actually quite aggressive with Kendra. However, that doesn't give Kendra the excuse to behave as she did and those excusing that behaviour simply on the ground that they don't like Edwina (as those defending her don't actually!) or because Edwina was wrong herself are a bad reflection on society.
Well as I said earlier, there was a bit of a culture clash, with Edwina being someone whose whole careers have been based on debating, and Kendra, apparently, someone who sees any attempt at a debate as a dreadful attack. Contrary to what some people are claiming, it isn't an age thing though. I'd like to see Edwina trying to disagree with one of my daughters; the argument would have lasted about 48 hours without a single f-word.
Amazing how one person is allowed to scream, swear and shout insults as she's just 'being herself' yet Edwina Currie isn't allowed to be herself and express her opinion. Bizarre and lots of double standards coming out. As I've said before if Edwina Currie was not a politician or an adulteress I doubt many would be sticking up for Kendra. Sad state of affairs.
I'm really wondering if it is an age thing, with young forum members hating the sight of their girl arguing with a 'bitter old crone'. Not very mature, if so.

She should've stopped speaking and turned to the others and said, we'll finish this later when Edwina's not listening then if she wanted to avoid conflict but why should she have had to do that?
Or she could have listened to the point Edwina was making, and answered it? Edwina did not turn it into a personal attack, that was ALL Kendra.

Kendra was very wise to Eggwina and her badness
Yeah, that sounds grown up.

You can't just keep poking and poking a stick at a bear and not expect it to bite back eventually.
She was just dishing out to Edwina precisely what Edwina has been serving up to her for quite a while now and of course because they are all in close proximity in a confined area with no where to run things are going to heat up a lot more than they would ordinarily.
Edwina acts like a nasty schoolgirl bully and it's totally unbecoming for someone of her advanced years and Kendra was correct to point it out.
Are we now attacking Edwina for things we have only imagined? We haven't see her 'poking a stick at a bear', not once. We once saw that Edwina, erroneously believing that they had three pairs of socks each, had taken a pair to which she was not entitled. We also saw Kendra, instead of saying, "no, we only get two pairs and I'm taking one back", barking, "I'll make do with one then!" and stomping about.

And how childish to stick up for one adult person against another just because one is 'of advanced years'.
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Old 25-11-2014, 15:33
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That's just how I think it's happened.
I expected not to like Kendra from the beginning tbh but she doesn't seem like a bad sort really. She's honest.
Edwina has been toying with her and Kendra knows it.
You can't just keep poking and poking a stick at a bear and not expect it to bite back eventually.
She was just dishing out to Edwina precisely what Edwina has been serving up to her for quite a while now and of course because they are all in close proximity in a confined area with no where to run things are going to heat up a lot more than they would ordinarily.
Edwina acts like a nasty schoolgirl bully and it's totally unbecoming for someone of her advanced years and Kendra was correct to point it out.
When did Edwina act like a nasty schoolgirl? I didn't see it. Or toying with her. I think you are seeing things that aren't there and are determined to dislike Edwina whatever she does. That smacks of narrow minded ness to me.
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Old 25-11-2014, 15:41
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Kendra is totally self-absorbed. She doesn't care about feeding the camp mates, in fact she's already told us she is not going to try again tomorrow and has a horrible foul mouth. She is a perfect example of what reality TV can do to people. Go back to America - and stay there.
She's been living an immoral lifestyle and is used to being in the company of similar people who are equally intellectually lacking.

Meh, I find her totally disgusting.

I'm not a fan of Edwina but she is entitled to challenge another's opinion.

That's not how it works in the US world that kendra inhabits
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Old 25-11-2014, 15:42
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I didnt know she sued the observer and a play for accusations of an affair - she's a devious scheming liar.

http://www.private-eye.co.uk/section...23&article=621
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Old 25-11-2014, 15:45
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Wow! As someone who has no strong feelings about either Edwina or Kendra, after reading this thread I feel as if I have been transported back to the 17th Century. Cries of 'adulteress'? Sneers about the 'old crow'? Really? I almost expected a rallying cry for the return of the ducking stool! And please, let's leave 'bullying' out of it. That word cannot be applied to an isolated situation and the accusation loses its credibility with every instance of misuse.
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Old 25-11-2014, 15:47
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That's just how I think it's happened.
I expected not to like Kendra from the beginning tbh but she doesn't seem like a bad sort really. She's honest.
She's thick and rude, if you think giving a stupid opinion in an ignorant manner represents value in the firm of honesty then you do.
But it's weird.
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Old 25-11-2014, 15:54
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Wow! As someone who has no strong feelings about either Edwina or Kendra, after reading this thread I feel as if I have been transported back to the 17th Century. Cries of 'adulteress'? Sneers about the 'old crow'? Really? I almost expected a rallying cry for the return of the ducking stool! And please, let's leave 'bullying' out of it. That word cannot be applied to an isolated situation and the accusation loses its credibility with every instance of misuse.
Are you a bit bored?
It doesn't say any of that in here.

Just looking to cause a fight I guess
Ho hum
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Old 25-11-2014, 15:57
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Sorry but Kendra wasn't given the courtesy of being allowed to finish what she was speaking. She was trying to say something positive about being in control of your own life and decisions and not being compromised by other people's needs and desires. Old Edwina Currie couldn't let her finish because she a/ didn't want people to 'get' what Kendra was saying and 'b' she wanted to impose her own meaning on what Kendra was about to say in order to try to make it look selfish and distorted.
Kendra knew what Edwina was at and was angry that Edwina was deliberately intent on keeping trying to throw her off course and bait her. Why should she not have been angry? Why do people feel so terrified when they see somebody standing up for themselves and rocking the boat nowadays? That's the real unfortunate thing.

Like John Lydon said, Anger is an energy.
I agree with everything you said, especially the bit in bold. I can't help thinking that there's an anti Kendra agenda which is colouring people's perception of the incident. If Mel had been saying something similar, for example, and Edwina had jumped in with her judgement (I wouldn't call it an opinion by the way it was said) I doubt if there would be many jumping in to support Edwina.
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Old 25-11-2014, 16:55
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I agree with everything you said, especially the bit in bold. I can't help thinking that there's an anti Kendra agenda which is colouring people's perception of the incident. If Mel had been saying something similar, for example, and Edwina had jumped in with her judgement (I wouldn't call it an opinion by the way it was said) I doubt if there would be many jumping in to support Edwina.
As I've said many times I can completely separate how much I like someone from whether I agree with them or not. If Melanie Sykes had behaved like Kendra I would be saying exactly the same. I like Melanie Skye's and I'm not a massive fan of Currie but I'd still agree with Currie whether I liked her or not. I'm surprised people find it difficult to agree with an opinion based on whether they like someone or not.
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Old 25-11-2014, 17:12
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The problem was that Edwina is obviously someone who relishes a debate. Not just because she is a politician - she hasn't done anything in politics for years - but because she is a confident, opinionated person, a bit of a rent-a-gob, someone who genuinely enjoys putting a view and standing up for it. So when she heard Kendra saying something she thought was nonsensical, she sat up and expostulated.

But Kendra's background is obviously not that at all. She is someone famous for being 'herself', not for her thoughts on issues of the day. I should imagine that people who work with her are extremely deferential, as American tv tends to be to its stars. She is used to being listened to with respect and admiration. When EC sat up and contradicted something she said, she didn't think, as Melanie, say would certainly have done, "let's see if I can defend my view"; she thought - why is that NASTY woman not agreeing with me?

I find it a bit depressing that so many people are defending Kendra's part in this and seeking to put all the blame on Edwina. I am not even slightly fond of Edwina, but Kendra's foul-mouthed tantrum was not even slightly justified by anything Edwina said to her. And it will do her no harm at all to learn that silent admiration is not the only possible response to everything she says.
Agree with all this. I'm no fan of Edwina but Kendra's reaction to her was really ignorant and totally uncalled for.
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Old 25-11-2014, 17:23
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Kendra could easily have explained her philosophy and how she inspires people. I would have been more interested in how she makes that out than her rant.
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Old 25-11-2014, 17:25
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If Edwina had an ounce of class, she wouldn't be there in the first place.

She has invalidated her own opinion, apart from greed and self publicity, why is she there?
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Old 25-11-2014, 17:51
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I agree with everything you said, especially the bit in bold. I can't help thinking that there's an anti Kendra agenda which is colouring people's perception of the incident. If Mel had been saying something similar, for example, and Edwina had jumped in with her judgement (I wouldn't call it an opinion by the way it was said) I doubt if there would be many jumping in to support Edwina.
Nope. No probs at all with Kendra being annoyed with Edwina's failure to engage in a productive way - there are so many other and better ways she could have challenged Kendra - it was the really insulting and classless way Kendra dealt with it.

I can't understand why anyone would defend Kendra on that score. And I'd feel exactly the same way about anyone else in there who treated another campmate with such unwarranted disrespect.
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Old 25-11-2014, 17:59
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Agree with all this. I'm no fan of Edwina but Kendra's reaction to her was really ignorant and totally uncalled for.
It's the usual story, and Edwina herself pointed this out. When people like Kendra tell you what they think of you in no uncertain terms (and a lot of rude language), it's a positive thing, they're "just being honest". But if anyone calls THEM out and tells them the truth, they'll say they're being bullied.

It was no contest, really. Very bright ex-MP engages rather stupid Z-lister, there's bound to be blood on the carpet, and it wasn't Edwina's.
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Old 25-11-2014, 18:01
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What an awful woman. Just starts laying into Kendra without even understanding what she was talking about. Typical superior politician. Awful person, get her out. Kendra isn't perfect and has a bizarre life but she didn't deserve that self-righteous nonsense from a politician who has no right to lecture anyone.
As I saw it Kendra was doing a fine job of lecturing the whole camp on totally immature, self centred(no surprise) nonsense. I can't stand Edwina but what she said was spot on. This is a woman with two kids and she's nearly 30 years old, not a foul mouthed ranting selfish adolescent. If she can't take being challenged, which she clearly can't, she needs to stop preaching at people.
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Old 25-11-2014, 18:05
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Kendra could easily have explained her philosophy and how she inspires people. I would have been more interested in how she makes that out than her rant.
I agree. She knows its bull, hence she couldn't, so launched a hideous tirade instead..

The poor camp mates will pay the price as she got the next trial as a result of her behaviour.
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Old 25-11-2014, 18:17
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If Edwina had an ounce of class, she wouldn't be there in the first place.

She has invalidated her own opinion, apart from greed and self publicity, why is she there?
Wow, so anyone doing this show is without an ounce of class? Blimey.

Do you feel the same about celebs doing Coach Trip?
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Old 25-11-2014, 18:20
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Are you a bit bored?
It doesn't say any of that in here.

Just looking to cause a fight I guess
Ho hum
What a rude response. Patronising, too.
The quotes I have used are in inverted commas because they are DIRECT quotations from this thread. Many of the responses have been unnecessarily vitriolic and judgemental. At least two people have tossed around the bullying accusation, which is simply ludicrous. I think someone has been skim-reading the posts. (Where's a rolling eyes smilie when you need one...?)
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Old 25-11-2014, 18:20
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As I've said many times I can completely separate how much I like someone from whether I agree with them or not. If Melanie Sykes had behaved like Kendra I would be saying exactly the same. I like Melanie Skye's and I'm not a massive fan of Currie but I'd still agree with Currie whether I liked her or not. I'm surprised people find it difficult to agree with an opinion based on whether they like someone or not.
But did you agree with Edwina before Kendra's outburst? From my perspective everything about the way Edwina delivered her "opinion" was designed to push Kendra's buttons. It wasn't debate, it was a personal judgement and that's why Kendra lost it. I'm not condoning Kendra's outburst, but I believe that Edwina lit the touchpaper.
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Old 25-11-2014, 18:25
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But did you agree with Edwina before Kendra's outburst? From my perspective everything about the way Edwina delivered her "opinion" was designed to push Kendra's buttons. It wasn't debate, it was a personal judgement and that's why Kendra lost it. I'm not condoning Kendra's outburst, but I believe that Edwina lit the touchpaper.
Yes totally agreed with what Edwina said. I was thinking exactly the same. She challenged her opinion and had every right to. Like I said it wasn't 'an audience' with where Kendra could just natter on all night and everybody clapped and cheered.
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