Absolutely perfect description of what happened!

That's just how I think it's happened.
I expected not to like Kendra from the beginning tbh but she doesn't seem like a bad sort really. She's honest.
Edwina has been toying with her and Kendra knows it.
You can't just keep poking and poking a stick at a bear and not expect it to bite back eventually.
She was just dishing out to Edwina precisely what Edwina has been serving up to her for quite a while now and of course because they are all in close proximity in a confined area with no where to run things are going to heat up a lot more than they would ordinarily.
Edwina acts like a nasty schoolgirl bully and it's totally unbecoming for someone of her advanced years and Kendra was correct to point it out.

I don't think Kendra did too badly at all. I especially liked the way she asked Edwina if she was the Queen of England now? LOL. She mightn't have had the right words and got frustrated but she put the crone in her place, believe me.
Edwina was looking really lame later on. If you listened to what Kendra said she summed Edwina up in a nutshell and the old lady just knew she had asked for it.

I love this post! Brilliant.

Is this really what has been happening, or is it just what you think might have happened?

I can't help noticing that Kendra's supporters (but not Edwina's supporters) are demanding an extraordinary amount of latitude for her that they are not in the least willing to grant to Edwina. Kendra was 'being honest' and 'being herself'; only a prude would object to her torrent of f-words; Edwina was a 'bitter old crone' who 'should have known better'; she was 'butting in', as if it was a private conversation (which it obviously wasn't); Edwina was a 'bully' and 'baiting' her; she 'knew what she was after'; it is not Kendra's fault if, at 28, she 'hasn't reached the stage' of being able to speak calmly to someone who disagrees with her.

This is all utter nonsense, and often viciously ageist. They were two adult women; both were probably a bit homesick and a bit lonely, because people ARE when they are away from everyone they know. There was no conversation for Edwina to 'butt into', just Kendra holding forth to the group at large; there was no bullying by Edwina, no abuse or personal attacks or manipulation or trying to manipulate people against Kendra, just someone disagreeing, forcefully, but no more so than the way Kendra was speaking herself.

They were, yes. They seemed panicked by Kenra's outburst, and rushed to try and calm her down. Afterwards, Mel said that really Kendra should have apologised, but "that's just me". And Kendra managed to ruin a 10-star meal with drinks. I am not sure what the Star was getting at, if anything, saying that someone wants to leave the camp, but I hope it's Kendra, and I hope she does. From briefly seeming like a feisty and lively person, she has become a real misery, not even pretending to try at trials. Watching Melanie doing a trial after Kendra was like watching a combine harvester following a particularly weak slug across a field.


Well as I said earlier, there was a bit of a culture clash, with Edwina being someone whose whole careers have been based on debating, and Kendra, apparently, someone who sees any attempt at a debate as a dreadful attack. Contrary to what some people are claiming, it isn't an age thing though. I'd like to see Edwina trying to disagree with one of my daughters; the argument would have lasted about 48 hours without a single f-word.

I'm really wondering if it is an age thing, with young forum members hating the sight of their girl arguing with a 'bitter old crone'. Not very mature, if so.


Or she could have listened to the point Edwina was making, and answered it? Edwina did not turn it into a personal attack, that was ALL Kendra.


Yeah, that sounds grown up.


Are we now attacking Edwina for things we have only imagined? We haven't see her 'poking a stick at a bear', not once. We once saw that Edwina, erroneously believing that they had three pairs of socks each, had taken a pair to which she was not entitled. We also saw Kendra, instead of saying, "no, we only get two pairs and I'm taking one back", barking, "I'll make do with one then!" and stomping about.

And how childish to stick up for one adult person against another just because one is 'of advanced years'.

When did Edwina act like a nasty schoolgirl? I didn't see it. Or toying with her. I think you are seeing things that aren't there and are determined to dislike Edwina whatever she does. That smacks of narrow minded ness to me.

She's been living an immoral lifestyle and is used to being in the company of similar people who are equally intellectually lacking.

Meh, I find her totally disgusting.

I'm not a fan of Edwina but she is entitled to challenge another's opinion.

That's not how it works in the US world that kendra inhabits

I didnt know she sued the observer and a play for accusations of an affair - she's a devious scheming liar.

http://www.private-eye.co.uk/section...23&article=621

Wow! As someone who has no strong feelings about either Edwina or Kendra, after reading this thread I feel as if I have been transported back to the 17th Century. Cries of 'adulteress'? Sneers about the 'old crow'? Really? I almost expected a rallying cry for the return of the ducking stool! And please, let's leave 'bullying' out of it. That word cannot be applied to an isolated situation and the accusation loses its credibility with every instance of misuse.

She's thick and rude, if you think giving a stupid opinion in an ignorant manner represents value in the firm of honesty then you do.
But it's weird.

Are you a bit bored?
It doesn't say any of that in here.

Just looking to cause a fight I guess
Ho hum

I agree with everything you said, especially the bit in bold. I can't help thinking that there's an anti Kendra agenda which is colouring people's perception of the incident. If Mel had been saying something similar, for example, and Edwina had jumped in with her judgement (I wouldn't call it an opinion by the way it was said) I doubt if there would be many jumping in to support Edwina.

As I've said many times I can completely separate how much I like someone from whether I agree with them or not. If Melanie Sykes had behaved like Kendra I would be saying exactly the same. I like Melanie Skye's and I'm not a massive fan of Currie but I'd still agree with Currie whether I liked her or not. I'm surprised people find it difficult to agree with an opinion based on whether they like someone or not.

Agree with all this. I'm no fan of Edwina but Kendra's reaction to her was really ignorant and totally uncalled for.

Kendra could easily have explained her philosophy and how she inspires people. I would have been more interested in how she makes that out than her rant.

If Edwina had an ounce of class, she wouldn't be there in the first place.

She has invalidated her own opinion, apart from greed and self publicity, why is she there?

Nope. No probs at all with Kendra being annoyed with Edwina's failure to engage in a productive way - there are so many other and better ways she could have challenged Kendra - it was the really insulting and classless way Kendra dealt with it.

I can't understand why anyone would defend Kendra on that score. And I'd feel exactly the same way about anyone else in there who treated another campmate with such unwarranted disrespect.

It's the usual story, and Edwina herself pointed this out. When people like Kendra tell you what they think of you in no uncertain terms (and a lot of rude language), it's a positive thing, they're "just being honest". But if anyone calls THEM out and tells them the truth, they'll say they're being bullied.

It was no contest, really. Very bright ex-MP engages rather stupid Z-lister, there's bound to be blood on the carpet, and it wasn't Edwina's.

As I saw it Kendra was doing a fine job of lecturing the whole camp on totally immature, self centred(no surprise) nonsense. I can't stand Edwina but what she said was spot on. This is a woman with two kids and she's nearly 30 years old, not a foul mouthed ranting selfish adolescent. If she can't take being challenged, which she clearly can't, she needs to stop preaching at people.

I agree. She knows its bull, hence she couldn't, so launched a hideous tirade instead..

The poor camp mates will pay the price as she got the next trial as a result of her behaviour.

Wow, so anyone doing this show is without an ounce of class? Blimey.

Do you feel the same about celebs doing Coach Trip?

What a rude response. Patronising, too.
The quotes I have used are in inverted commas because they are DIRECT quotations from this thread. Many of the responses have been unnecessarily vitriolic and judgemental. At least two people have tossed around the bullying accusation, which is simply ludicrous. I think someone has been skim-reading the posts. (Where's a rolling eyes smilie when you need one...?)

But did you agree with Edwina before Kendra's outburst? From my perspective everything about the way Edwina delivered her "opinion" was designed to push Kendra's buttons. It wasn't debate, it was a personal judgement and that's why Kendra lost it. I'm not condoning Kendra's outburst, but I believe that Edwina lit the touchpaper.

Yes totally agreed with what Edwina said. I was thinking exactly the same. She challenged her opinion and had every right to. Like I said it wasn't 'an audience' with where Kendra could just natter on all night and everybody clapped and cheered.