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Edwina is awful
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Blondie X
25-11-2014
Originally Posted by AndreaMC:
“I don't like anything about Kendra's past lifestyle and believe it's goes a long way to contribute to the rot in our society as we know it but that doesn't mean I am going to hold it against the girl and despise her for it.

She was courageous in confronting Edwina, and as I've already said she could have handled it a lot better and not gone off the rails if she had had the words, but she didn't, so she had to respond in the only way she could by using naughty language and getting beligerent. Well so what? She felt she had to do something. She certainly didn't deserve being put down in public by an artful old trout.
Only an idiot would feel sorry for Edwina, she asked for everything she got and that's what sometimes happens when you intentionally set out to wind people up I'm afraid.

No one else in that camp would stand up to Edwina no matter what she was to do to them.
They'd much prefer to be licking her boots”

NO she wasn't courageous at all. She came across as weak and immature. If she was courageous, she would have been able to put her point of view across to Edwina and give reasons to justify her opinion. Instead, she chose to throw her toys out of the pram and rant like a fishwife. That's the very opposite of courage.

And how is the way she reacted 'the only way she could'? There were many different ways she could have responded and the way she chose to was one of the worst ways possible.

Edwina maybe shouldn't have butted in but Kendra should have handled it far better and not like a spoilt child. The way she acted proved Edwinas point really and came across that Kendra really couldn't justify and explain her opinion so resorted to attack as a form of defence which is a tactic used by those out of their depth
yellowlabbie
25-11-2014
Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“I REALLY hope you two are very, very young. If you are over 13, shame on you. What an ugly, worthless forum this would be if everyone started posting like that.


Absolutely on the contrary. Everyone looked shit scared of Kendra: they were like a flock of anxious birds fluttering round her. I am not sure I have ever seen a group of people so panicked and desperate to calm someone down at all costs. If you saw anyone licking Edwina's boots, you must have been watching a completely different programme. All I saw was Nadia sweetly sitting and chatting to her while everyone else fussed and twittered over Kendra.”

Yes, I was very disappointed in Mel who is my favourite to win at the moment, She seemed to be licking Kendra's boots.
hoppyuppy
25-11-2014
Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“I REALLY hope you two are very, very young. If you are over 13, shame on you. What an ugly, worthless forum this would be if everyone started posting like that.


Absolutely on the contrary. Everyone looked shit scared of Kendra: they were like a flock of anxious birds fluttering round her. I am not sure I have ever seen a group of people so panicked and desperate to calm someone down at all costs. If you saw anyone licking Edwina's boots, you must have been watching a completely different programme. All I saw was Nadia sweetly sitting and chatting to her while everyone else fussed and twittered over Kendra.”

I described what I thought Edwina was being attacked for, it is not necessarily my own opinion, you are extremely presumptuous.

Happy and contented over 13 year old.
AndreaMC
25-11-2014
Originally Posted by hoppyuppy:
“They have enough money to live comfortably until they die. Why do they make A-holes of themselves to make even more?

It just irritates me more with Currie because of how she banged on about Nadine Dorries.

And she is bullying Kendra, she is like a hyena that smells weak prey.”

If Curried Eggwina has her way Kendra will slip up and be forced to leave the show early, then sure as eggs is eggs she'll move on to the next victim. But I'm sure she'll be justified lol
hoppyuppy
25-11-2014
Originally Posted by AndreaMC:
“If Curried Eggwina has her way Kendra will slip up and be forced to leave the show early, then sure as eggs is eggs she'll move on to the next victim. But I'm sure she'll be justified lol”

I really have a disdain for Currie, it is only based on her self righteousness. I do hope she gets some of the trials to do but I think the producers are helping her keep out of them by pushing Kendra forward.

It would be good if Currie nearly starved to death just before Christmas and then gave all of her fee to feed the world.
Bela
25-11-2014
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“Yes, I was very disappointed in Mel who is my favourite to win at the moment, She seemed to be licking Kendra's boots.”

Really? I didn't see her doing anything of the sort. What I saw was Mel wanting to keep the peace, Mel expressing her opinion that Kendra should apologise to Edwina, and Mel hoping that it would all be forgotten by the next day.

Not a trace of boot-licking, just someone wanting calm and a nice friendly atmosphere to prevail.
benjamini
25-11-2014
Originally Posted by hoppyuppy:
“I really have a disdain for Currie, it is only based on her self righteousness. I do hope she gets some of the trials to do but I think the producers are helping her keep out of them by pushing Kendra forward.

It would be good if Currie nearly starved to death just before Christmas and then gave all of her fee to feed the world.”

She does her bit for charity. From Wiki



In 2004, Currie took part in a sponsored cycle ride across Poland, near to the area where ancestors of hers lived, for Marie Curie Cancer Care.[23]

In 2005, in her role as a patron of the British Heart Foundation, Currie championed a campaign to raise awareness of the effect of heart disease on women.[24]

In May 2007, the patient charity MRSA Action UK announced Currie as their patron.[25] Edwina Currie was quoted by the media championing the campaign against hospital superbugs.[26]

In October 2011, Currie took part in EurVoice, an event supported by the European Youth Parliament United Kingdom.[27]

In November 2011, Currie accepted the position of President of the Tideswell Male Voice Choir.[28]
Cally's mum
25-11-2014
Originally Posted by AndreaMC:
“If Curried Eggwina has her way Kendra will slip up and be forced to leave the show early, then sure as eggs is eggs she'll move on to the next victim. But I'm sure she'll be justified lol”

You know, your constant name-calling of Edwina really belittles and in fact negates every argument you make. It's immature and you should be above that kind of behaviour. Only children in the playground or truculent teenagers resort to petty insults of this sort.

And I would like to reiterate that Kendra is NOT courageous in having what amounted to a soddin' tantrum in the middle of the jungle and in the process upsetting all the other camp mates and ruining their 10 star meal. Which they themselves spoke about in the BT and to each other on screen.

For the record, I don't like Edwina and I think she didn't cover herself in glory in this situation, either. But Kendra massively over-reacted and behaved like a spoiled child. And it's a sad, sad reflection on society that so many people are looking at her as some kind of heroine for such obnoxious behaviour. I honestly despair of mankind sometimes.
daisydee
25-11-2014
Originally Posted by AndreaMC:
“Why the hell would i do that for now? Jesus, I'm not that bored lol”

Try it nevertheless and see how it sounds.
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“I think I must be going a bit mad TBH.

The way I heard it - Kendra said something along the lines of 'I don't live my life for anyone else' - she made a point of saying it a few times. Now admittedly I guess that could be taken a number of ways.

I think like Edwina I read it as - she puts herself above anyone. Again - like Edwina I was shocked by that especially as Kendra has young children. Even if she didn't I do think there are times in life where putting someone's needs above your own is just the right thing to do.

I would not have been able to sit and nod along like everyone else was doing - like Edwina I'd have challenged her on it.

What scares the sh*t out of me is that I have found I have a common way of thinking as Edwina
”

Same here, I think it's more of an age thing, I'd hate to have anything else in common with Edwina Currie.
Originally Posted by benjamini:
“She does her bit for charity. From Wiki



In 2004, Currie took part in a sponsored cycle ride across Poland, near to the area where ancestors of hers lived, for Marie Curie Cancer Care.[23]

In 2005, in her role as a patron of the British Heart Foundation, Currie championed a campaign to raise awareness of the effect of heart disease on women.[24]

In May 2007, the patient charity MRSA Action UK announced Currie as their patron.[25] Edwina Currie was quoted by the media championing the campaign against hospital superbugs.[26]

In October 2011, Currie took part in EurVoice, an event supported by the European Youth Parliament United Kingdom.[27]

In November 2011, Currie accepted the position of President of the Tideswell Male Voice Choir .[28]”

After reading her diaries from the link that someone kindly provided - I'm hardly suprised.
MrsGeneHunt
25-11-2014
Originally Posted by hoppyuppy:
“I was thinking, self serving, ugly, greedy old pig but you are probably right.”

Originally Posted by sheila blige:
“Add 'adulterous, wizened, hypocritical old hag' to that and I'm with you!”

Originally Posted by AndreaMC:
“Edwina acts like a nasty schoolgirl bully and it's totally unbecoming for someone of her advanced years and Kendra was correct to point it out.”

Originally Posted by hoppyuppy:
“It would be good if Currie nearly starved to death just before Christmas...”

And so...

Originally Posted by HBB:
“I was right with my guess then.”

No, mate. You were SO wrong. And that's it for me - I'm out of here. What a nasty thread this has become!
HBB
25-11-2014
Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“£120,000 for three weeks (hopefully entertaining) work? I would. Perhaps he fancies a conservatory.”

Oh maybe his mum wants a bungalow.
Hershey2
26-11-2014
Am playing catch up with all this, so have only just watched the bust up between Kendra and Edwina.

Edwina has made a couple of cutting remarks to camera about Kendra so don't think there is any love lost there.

My 'take' on all this is that Edwina was deliberately goading Kendra over what she said, Mel tried to explain to Edwina what it was that Kendra meant but Edwina, who isn't stupid, deliberately ignored her and continued to bait Kendra, funny how both Mel and Nadia knew what Kendra was saying and Edwina didn't.

Imo, Edwina bringing Kendra's behavior as a mother into the equation was what tipped Kendra over the edge.

Edwina knew exactly what she was doing, she doesn't like Kendra, she knows that Kendra isn't well educated or articulate and imo, targeted her for those reasons.

I'm not excusing Kendra's language but I can see why she went off on one.
wotnot
26-11-2014
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“Daisydee -This is a completely wrong way of looking at it. They are a small group of people all chatting together, everyone there is entitled to speak - they don't have to be invited.”

And this is where you are wrong, telling someone that their view or perception of a situation is wrong and there is way too much of that by lots of posters in this thread which is why it has become so bitchy and aggressive. YOUR (generic) WAY is just that, YOURS NOT MINE and YOU (generic) are NOT always right
So to assert, I feel that Edwina was very rude to shout herself in to the conversation and I can therefore understand that Kendra would have been angry but not necessarily her response
shelleyj89
26-11-2014
Originally Posted by Hershey2:
“Am playing catch up with all this, so have only just watched the bust up between Kendra and Edwina.

Edwina has made a couple of cutting remarks to camera about Kendra so don't think there is any love lost there.

My 'take' on all this is that Edwina was deliberately goading Kendra over what she said, Mel tried to explain to Edwina what it was that Kendra meant but Edwina, who isn't stupid, deliberately ignored her and continued to bait Kendra, funny how both Mel and Nadia knew what Kendra was saying and Edwina didn't.

Imo, Edwina bringing Kendra's behavior as a mother into the equation was what tipped Kendra over the edge.

Edwina knew exactly what she was doing, she doesn't like Kendra, she knows that Kendra isn't well educated or articulate and imo, targeted her for those reasons.

I'm not excusing Kendra's language but I can see why she went off on one.”

This is pretty much my view too. I re-watched it last night, and it just solidified my opinion. You mention Mel and Nadia knowing what Kendra meant, Jake also spoke up too and actually invited Edwina to explain what she meant, which she refused to do by ignoring him. I think Edwina knew very well what Kendra was saying - that you have to do what makes you happy in life (I don't know why people are shrugging that off as a childish or uneducated comment? It's a valid one) but she just wanted to push Kendra's buttons.

I agree about Kendra's language.
hoppyuppy
26-11-2014
There are some delicate flowers around here!

If a woman that appears in my top 5 most despised women of all time list, wants to put herself up for ritual humiliation, then she is going to get some prize comments if she behaves nastily.

Top 5

1 Margaret Thatcher.
2 Edwina Currie.
3 Rose West.
4 Myra Hindley.
5 Beverley Allitt.

6 is Claire Balding but she will go in at no1 if she shows her mug in the jungle.
dobbybear
26-11-2014
God Claire Balding is so awful and seems to pop up on everything, do not understand her appeal.
Back to the row Kendra is horrendous speaking to someone like that, Edwina is entitled to her opinion, Kendra just took her opportunity to shout her down as it is obvious she doesn't like her. She wouldn;t have done that with her audience who were sat listening to her. I find Michaels admiration of her ridiculous he is a fool, she is nothing better than a prostitute. You can tell she has a temper lets not forget her shouting at Tynchy last week. Get her out
wonkeydonkey
26-11-2014
Originally Posted by hoppyuppy:
“I described what I thought Edwina was being attacked for, it is not necessarily my own opinion, you are extremely presumptuous.

Happy and contented over 13 year old.”

YOu were doing no such thing. You were doing nothing but enjoying a lot of infantile name-calling. Apart from anything else, it is against the rules of the forum, rightly, to post nothing but childish abuse.
Originally Posted by AndreaMC:
“If Curried Eggwina has her way Kendra will slip up and be forced to leave the show early, then sure as eggs is eggs she'll move on to the next victim. But I'm sure she'll be justified lol”

There are no signs at all of Edwina looking for 'a victim', don't be silly. Your reaction to her is so unjustified and over the top, I can only imagine that you have an issue in your own life with someone she reminds you of: older women, perhaps, or older women who assertively express opinions.
Originally Posted by hoppyuppy:
“I really have a disdain for Currie, it is only based on her self righteousness. I do hope she gets some of the trials to do but I think the producers are helping her keep out of them by pushing Kendra forward.”

Kendra has not been 'pushed forward'. People almost never vote for older people to do trials.

Quote:
“It would be good if Currie nearly starved to death just before Christmas and then gave all of her fee to feed the world.”

YOu sound off your head.
Originally Posted by dobbybear:
“God Claire Balding is so awful and seems to pop up on everything, do not understand her appeal.”

She seems a likeable person to me. Whyever do you think she is awful?
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“. I find Michaels admiration of her ridiculous he is a fool, she is nothing better than a prostitute. You can tell she has a temper lets not forget her shouting at Tynchy last week. Get her out”

I don't think Michael admires her at all. I think he is dryly amused by her, and he is too much the professional to be caught bitching in the bush telegraph.
dobbybear
26-11-2014
I don't think Michael admires her at all. I think he is dryly amused by her, and he is too much the professional to be caught bitching in the bush telegraph.[/quote]

Yes he is so "professional" that when Edwina arrived in the jungle he couldnt wait to take a group aside and gossip like a girl in a playground about her affair with John Major!
Mrs Checks
26-11-2014
Originally Posted by Hershey2:
“Am playing catch up with all this, so have only just watched the bust up between Kendra and Edwina.

Edwina has made a couple of cutting remarks to camera about Kendra so don't think there is any love lost there.

My 'take' on all this is that Edwina was deliberately goading Kendra over what she said, Mel tried to explain to Edwina what it was that Kendra meant but Edwina, who isn't stupid, deliberately ignored her and continued to bait Kendra, funny how both Mel and Nadia knew what Kendra was saying and Edwina didn't.

Imo, Edwina bringing Kendra's behavior as a mother into the equation was what tipped Kendra over the edge.

Edwina knew exactly what she was doing, she doesn't like Kendra, she knows that Kendra isn't well educated or articulate and imo, targeted her for those reasons.

I'm not excusing Kendra's language but I can see why she went off on one.”

Completely agree with this. Edwina knew exactly what she was doing. The hero worship of her from some on this forum is quite tiresome - I personally don't enjoy watching this sort of behaviour.
Deb Arkle
26-11-2014
I don't think there's any hero worship - most seem to be saying that they were both in the wrong, but Kendra was more wrong than Edwina.
Mrs Checks
26-11-2014
Originally Posted by Deb Arkle:
“I don't think there's any hero worship - most seem to be saying that they were both in the wrong, but Kendra was more wrong than Edwina.”

I've definitely seen some posters shower Edwina with OTT praise like she's the second coming of reality tv because she pulled up Kendra on what they percieved to be a selfish comment.

It seems to me that these posters are the some of the same ones who are judging Kendra for her background and comparing her to a prostitute etc. That's just my observation though and I'm prepared to admit it's not scientific in the least!
susie-4964
26-11-2014
Originally Posted by Cally's mum:
“Kendra is NOT courageous in having what amounted to a soddin' tantrum in the middle of the jungle and in the process upsetting all the other camp mates and ruining their 10 star meal. Which they themselves spoke about in the BT and to each other on screen.

For the record, I don't like Edwina and I think she didn't cover herself in glory in this situation, either. But Kendra massively over-reacted and behaved like a spoiled child. And it's a sad, sad reflection on society that so many people are looking at her as some kind of heroine for such obnoxious behaviour. I honestly despair of mankind sometimes.”

Totally agree with you. Kendra behaved like a brat. I can't believe that Edwina hadn't sized up what sort of person Kendra was, so I think she probably was winding her up out of boredom, and should have backed off. If people think Kendra is a heroine for her behaviour, they're equating her with people who are real heroines, like the Suffragettes, and that's plainly absolutely ridiculous.
shelleyj89
26-11-2014
Originally Posted by susie-4964:
“Totally agree with you. Kendra behaved like a brat. I can't believe that Edwina hadn't sized up what sort of person Kendra was, so I think she probably was winding her up out of boredom, and should have backed off. If people think Kendra is a heroine for her behaviour, they're equating her with people who are real heroines, like the Suffragettes, and that's plainly absolutely ridiculous.”

Please find me one person who has called Kendra a hero or compared her to the Suffragettes.
sadoldbird
26-11-2014
I like neither Edwina nor Kendra. I think they are both self-serving which is interesting given the subject of the argument.

But the way Kendra chose to express herself put her squarely in the wrong. It was ugly and shocking. Her behaviour actually exemplified her 'me' philosophy. She reduced a difference of opinion to a personal attack.

Sadly, it's behaviour I see more and more often in everyday life. Respect seems to be a one way street - I demand it of everything I say and do and will let you know in the most forceful of terms if you don't deliver.
Deb Arkle
26-11-2014
S-O-B! Great to see you posting again.
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