Thank you!

Feel free to disagree. I know the score.

Can you point me to these 'showering Edwina with OTT praise' posts to which you refer? because I have seen nothing of the kind. I have seen people reluctantly (in all cases! ) agreeing with what she did (for the record, I think she was in the wrong too, for being aggressive in what she said, but that may be her normal manner of speaking; I don't know). But in the midst of this agreement I seem to recall that nearly every single one of them has been shocked that they would be in accord with her because not one person has admitted to liking her (quite the opposite, in fact!).

However, none of these people have been rude about her (and most haven't been rude about Kendra) in the way that others have been. Personal, petty attacks and insults about what she looks like, how old she is, her background and the call for her to starve nearly to death (and if people saw REAL starvation, they would wish that on NO ONE) - are all completely uncalled for and utterly immature.

For the record (again), I think Kendra did feel pushed into a corner to an extent, but the way she rounded on Edwina and the dhildish behaviour she (as a nearly 30 year old woman - NEARLY 30, NOT ruddy 10!!!) displayed was utterly disgusting. If you can't defend your point, either give in gracefully or walk away from the argument and be the bigger person. Don't upset everyone in camp so that their enjoyment of a meal hard-won by one of their number is completely ruined by it (without even apologising to them).

Kendra needs to learn that there are other people in there and she should be acting as a team member, not a lone wolf. She displayed disgraceful behaviour at one of the trials when she stated she wasn't bothered about only winning two stars for camp (when most others would have been mortified). She lost any respect I had for her there and then. And i quite liked her before that.

As for the others defending her and comforting her - I suspect that as she was the one who became upset (she upset herself basically by her own behaviour. Once you start yelling and screaming abuse at others you haven't just lost the argument but you can get yourself in a right old emotional state) and her behaviour shocked them, they felt the need to do something to make it all right. Edwina didn't seem too fazed and I don't think anyone would have felt comfortable 'comforting' her anyway. So they did that for Kendra instead (as well as trying to diffuse the situation. Mel basically advised her to calm down and stop it - in a kind way).

As I have said previously, neither of them covered themselves in glory and I have never liked Edwina, because I don't trust ANY politician. Ever. But neither would I (nor most of the others on here) start throwing around petty, childish insults like confetti. About either of them. And anyone who does (on either 'side') should think better than to indulge in it. All that serves is to make them seem immature and ridiculous.

Crticise the behaviour, don't insult the person.

Edwina Currie was educated at Oxford, I'm pretty sure Kendra was educated at Sunny Days Trailer Park or something.

It's like a child before they learn to speak properly, if they can't verbalise what they're trying to say then it results in a raised voice and increased aggression. This is exactly what happend with Kendra, Edwina knew she would win any debate with Kendra and clearly had every intention of belittling her.
It was Kendras inability to articulate what she was trying to say in the first place that gave Edwina the opportunity, she wasn't saying 'don't care about anyone else' what she was saying is 'don't do things because others tell you to' do them because they're what you want to do....and then Edwina tried to tell her what she should do/how she should think.

She knew what she was doing alright.

I'm not going to start singling out other poster's comments to prove my point - that seems like a recipe for disaster!

I do agree with you that there are a fair few 'Team Edwina' posters who are shocked to find themselves agreeing with her, too.

I also think that this argument has caused some very passionate and well - thought out reactions, especially re: people's personal opinions on swearing/insults etc... It's incredibly interesting to read! And some people look down on reality TV watchers most here seem an insightful bunch, even if we don't agree with each other!

Irrespective of whether this may be true or not (and I would love to know when DS members became mind readers!) Kendra'a outburst was still completely unacceptable in polite society.

Why does it all have to be so convoluted?

Kendra was spouting rubbish - she said something which Edwina really happened to disagree with (as it happens so did I) - Edwina then simply said - I have to say I disagree with that. I would have done the same.

It kicked off from there - nothing pre planned, nothing sneaky, Edwina simply couldn't sit and listen without pulling her up on it. She is a politician after all.

The only calculated bit was Kendra's 'set piece'/'default' RTV argument 'shut the eff up'.

See, I'm not getting this. She didn't say anything outrageous, just that you should live your life for you and do what makes you happy. I've seen many, not just yourself, say it was a ridiculous thing to say or that it was rubbish, but why is it?

I was going to reply to your post, but there's only so much of my life I've got left to waste.

I think you are confusing this thread with another one - there has been NO hero worshipping of Edwina, in fact quite the opposite. Those who are commenting on the two people concerned in this row can see it either from Kendra's point of view or Edwina's - that is all.

Actually Kendra went on at some length trying to give a persuasive defence of her 'me me me' philosophy. I felt myself bristling at her words and thinking what a selfish person she sounded. I expect Edwina felt the same and said so - as I would have done if I had been there. It's human nature to respond to such a shallow view of life, particularly when there are children involved.

Just as well, as there aren't any.
Nor is there a 'Team Edwina' vibe, you are in the wrong thread.
Not one person on here has said a nice word about Edwina. But have defended her right to respond to Kendra's outburst.

Perhaps you should listen to what Kendra said again and maybe you will get your answer.

I feel Kendra has been picked on from day one, from Bullard's vulgar jibes to Edwina's baiting. She's obviously a soft target and has been getting more negative comments on here and elsewhere, than any other camp mate. Yes she can be annoying esp with the BTTs but at least she's watchable. I just hope the public don't take the easy option of voting her out right away. There are others who should be evicted before her.
I'm also not blaming Edwina for the whole outburst - she was put in there to rock the boat - we all know that - she knows that, and most of the camp mates are aware of that. Again, I'd hate to see her evicted first, she's watchable, we need controversial characters in there. Whereas passengers like Tinchy contribute nothing to the programme - what's the point of him ? Really ?

Kendra was speaking quite loudly to a whole circle of people. One of which was Edwina. There was nothing private about her conversation; Edwina did not have to move to get herself into the circle. She was just there, part of the group; and had absolutely as much right to talk as Kendra did. I don't know what people are imagining when they keep accusing Edwina of butting in on a conversation; she was just there, as close to Kendra as anyone else was.



PLEASE single out other poster's comments, because at the moment you are the only person who can see ANYONE hero-worshipping Edwina or 'showering her with praise'. I have found ONE forum member who posted, "I love Edwina" - just that, nothing else. Is it that single post that has so angered you? Or have you found any others?


I thought Edwina's point was clear. Of course most of us can't 'live our life for ourselves' and 'do what makes us happy'; we have families and friends and jobs that require a lot of patient self-sacrifice. Thing is, Kendra probably doesn't: from a teenager, she has been surrounded by servants rushing to do her bidding, and has had a non-job that involves putting any views she fancies without fear of contradiction. Hence her ludicrously vicious response at being contradicted.

Edwina Currie deserves plenty of criticism: she is a media monster, always willing to pop up on tv to share her great thoughts with us, she is tactless, it was unscrupulous imo to sell her story of sleeping with Major. But on this occasion she simply was in the right. No one is immune from people disagreeing with them. A less spoilt and silly person than Kendra would have had a number of perfectly reasonable responses: explain (now there's a thought) what she meant, use someone else's words to explain what she meant (since several were offered), politely close the conversation down saying she didn't want to discuss it, all reasonable and adult behaviours.

Don't think Kendra would agree with that. She's been around the block and is a regular on Reality Shows, she's as tough as Edwina, just not as intelligent, seemingly.
I agree with the rest of your post, the contentious but more enteraining ones tend to get voted out first. It might be Edwina though as she seems to be universally disliked!

Random response Nobody has called her a hero or compared her to a Suffragette, so I don't know why you mentioned them.


I've watched it multiple times, and I don't see where it was outragous or ridiculous like people have said (her original point that is) hence why I asked someone who thinks it was, to explain their view. Watching it back again isn't going to change my view on it.


Ok. Perhaps it's just a simple case of different interpreations then, as I didn't take it as Kendra being selfish at all. I took it as her simply saying you have to put yourself first and live your life for you - and that can include all the things you do for others. Things she will do for herself, are things such as putting her kids first, making sure they are happy, making sure they are put first etc. Make sure all the things that are important to you, take priority in your life. Whoever you are, whatever your circumstances, life is too short to go around pleasing other people all the time, and putting your wants and dreams in life on the back-burner. In a less articulated way, that's what I thought Kendra was saying.

BIB - she was in the right in your opinion. I don't think she was in the right to tell Kendra she was wrong, as Kendra was only stating her opinion. You're right - nobody is immune from people disagreeing with them, but Edwina quite clearly believed her opinion was the correct one. Her comment to Michael about people not accepting people outside of their own worlds - which she was applying to Kendra - is very easily applied to herself in this situation as well. I don't believe Kendra was having a go at Edwina for disagreeing, but for the way she completely dismissed Kendra's view. I also think Kendra took it as Edwina suggesting she didn't put her kids first, which I think Kendra took offense over.

I disagree and would question if you were watching something different to me. Edwina was far enough away (laying on her bed) from the group having the discussion that she had to raise her considerable voice in order to butt in. A conversation doesn't have to be private to expect those around you to behave with manners and the way Edwina behaved was ill mannered, if you don't find it so hey ho but I do.

Because it comes across as if she's saying that you always put yourself first - apart from the fact that she has two young children it is not always (IMO) right to make yourself the number one priority - sometimes you do have to put others before yourself. It's an incredibly spoilt and selfish attitude.

I've seen some (including some in camp) say she didn't mean it like that. That is how I (and Edwina) understood it though. Incredibly selfish and me,, me, me.

Exactly this.

Eh? I'm not angry at all! It's not something I would get myself worked up over! In fact if you saw my previous post in this thread, I said I was finding a lot of the debate really interesting on both sides. As I said, some very well thought out, and, er... passionate posts

I wasn't referring to this thread only - clearly when I said 'on this forum' I was referring to entire I'm a Celeb subforum there are quite a few posts in various threads from people who love Edwina, I should know - am ill and have had time to read the entire forum

When I wrote 'Team Edwina' I meant it as shorthand for the people on here defending her, regardless of whether they like her as a person or not. Perhaps not the clearest of terms so I do apologise if it confused.

She was lying down, yes, but absolutely part of the group; her bed was in the circle round the fire. She was no louder than Kendra was, and had as much right to be heard as she did. Kendra's 'go back to sleep where you belong' was just childish spite: she couldn't order Edwina to go back anywhere geographical because she had been there through out the conversation (ie she couldn't say "go back to...[where she had been sitting]"), so she had to order her to go back to sleep instead.

Absolutely agree with you. It was the way Kendra reacted to Edwina challenging her that was wrong. Had she spoken to her and explained her point , then no one would be criticising but she didn't even attempt to clarify or justify her comments, she just started ranting like a demented fish wife which gave Edwina the moral high-ground - which I'm sure she relished tbf

You don't need to be a mind reader, just emotionally intelligent, which Edwina clearly isn't. She grabbed hold of Kendra's words, mis-interpereted what she was saying and like a bull in a china shop, talked over and swept aside the clarification that Mel and Nadia were trying to offer (and if you watch it back you'll see that Kendra was still smiling and agreeing with them that indeed, that was what she'd meant) It was only when Edwina kept repeating "You're a mother" in a way that implied not a good one, that she retaliated.

Excellent assessment, I totally agree. I have given up posting though, if you don't agree with the herd, you are in danger of being trampled to death.

There are people here that know more about your motivation for posting something, than you do yourself. Scary stuff.

Good luck.

It was all Jake's fault for pushing ahead by saying 'go on then ... explain' (does he now know that Currie loves the sound of her own voice). I just got the impression that Currie chose to misinterpret what Kendra had said.

Back to the positioning of Currie - I didn't see her as part of the circle (although I wouldn't use that as a bar for her to not join in). But she didn't join in. She pressed Kendra twice in rather an accusatory way to say 'did I hear you say ....?' Currie is a master manipulator and debater and she will ALWAYS have the last word - she chose her victim and sadly Kendra fell for it. I don't condone the language - but I get the impression that far from being hurt (you can't hurt Currie) or offended - Currie LOVED the reaction she got from Kendra.

As for the 'you're a MOTHER' thing - and she stressed that several times in a hugely patronising way - who the hell is Currie to moralise on anything at all.

Kendra was inanely preaching at the whole group and Edwina was directly facing her?

I have watched it back, all of it and the others were waffling like fools trying to prevent an argument. Clarification of what? There was no other interpretation other than the one Edwina questioned.I can't stand Edwina but there is no justification for such an OTT foul mouthed tirade.
If Kendra is going to preach at any group of people and has any self belief (which she very clearly hasn't) she needs to grow up and discuss it like an adult. She was spouting nothing more than adolescent psycho babble and self justifying nonsense.