I do think the show under Moffat's guidance has become little more than an outlet for his own femdom fantasies.
Do you think Doctor Who is sexist?
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Originally Posted by sebbie3000:
“I'd also take Rory as an example - yes, his character was no real hero to begin with. But he developed. And he was never a coward, it was more that he didn't want to be put into danger needlessly. He was more than able to defend himself - and did quite often. And he became quite the hero toward the end.
Adam, so far, has been the real true coward male. But I don't feel he is worthy of companion status. Even Mickey became the leader or a resistance movement - ending up a merc... Definitely not a coward though!
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“I'd also take Rory as an example - yes, his character was no real hero to begin with. But he developed. And he was never a coward, it was more that he didn't want to be put into danger needlessly. He was more than able to defend himself - and did quite often. And he became quite the hero toward the end.
Adam, so far, has been the real true coward male. But I don't feel he is worthy of companion status. Even Mickey became the leader or a resistance movement - ending up a merc... Definitely not a coward though!
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Both Mickey and Rory had to see better examples of themselves in order to grow and develop. Mickey had to see Rickey and Rory had to see The Last Centurion. They both started off fairly pathetic (and, in terms of Mickey, very cowardly). They had to grow into a decent character. Whereas their counterparts, Rose and Amy, respectively, started off amazingly brave and competent and then only became even more so as time went on.
If you really want to see how far we've come on sexism, checkout original Battlestar Galactica which I happened to be watching the other day. Original Starbuck was a male, two timing womaniser and, oh wasn't it so funny. (Not). And then, during the initial Cylon attack and destruction of the colonies, Athena, a senior military female character burst into tears and ran off, leaving her post. Not forgetting Cassiopeia, a "sociolator", wink, wink (Compare and contrast with Inara, from Firefly).
Shameful, blatant sexism from 1979.
Shameful, blatant sexism from 1979.
Originally Posted by sebbie3000:
“I'd also take Rory as an example - yes, his character was no real hero to begin with. But he developed. And he was never a coward, it was more that he didn't want to be put into danger needlessly. He was more than able to defend himself - and did quite often. And he became quite the hero toward the end.”
“I'd also take Rory as an example - yes, his character was no real hero to begin with. But he developed. And he was never a coward, it was more that he didn't want to be put into danger needlessly. He was more than able to defend himself - and did quite often. And he became quite the hero toward the end.”
Yes, he was defined more by being not-Amy and not-The-Doctor than he was by being a man. He had to be presented as everything the Doctor is not - not heroic, not excited by time travel, as well as being a contrast to Amy - insecure and a bit of a pushover.
I'd say it's sexist but not mysoginistic. Less about the main characters than the world we visit which are so frequently male dominated. It's unimaginative and restricts storytelling.
Originally Posted by Firegazer:
“Doctor Who hasn't changed since it returned in 2005, it's always had that misogynistic streak, Moffat has just worsened the matter trying to "sex up" the programme and it's quite creepy considering he's 53, not far off Capaldi himself, and he's obsessed with all this women in Doctor Who.”
“Doctor Who hasn't changed since it returned in 2005, it's always had that misogynistic streak, Moffat has just worsened the matter trying to "sex up" the programme and it's quite creepy considering he's 53, not far off Capaldi himself, and he's obsessed with all this women in Doctor Who.”
At what age are men supposed to stop liking women and sex?
Originally Posted by JackieDVD:
“His view and depiction of working class children are more of an issue for me.”
“His view and depiction of working class children are more of an issue for me.”
What do you mean?
I do tend to think Moffat does tend to overuse children in his show and some episodes really suffer because of it (Nightmare In Silver, In The Forest Of The Night being the obvious examples).
Originally Posted by Shawn_Lunn:
“What do you mean?
I do tend to think Moffat does tend to overuse children in his show and some episodes really suffer because of it (Nightmare In Silver, In The Forest Of The Night being the obvious examples).”
“What do you mean?
I do tend to think Moffat does tend to overuse children in his show and some episodes really suffer because of it (Nightmare In Silver, In The Forest Of The Night being the obvious examples).”
Equally, some are great - The Empty Child, Silence in the Library, The Eleventh Hour being obvious examples that he actually wrote!
The eps you nominated were arguably spotty (though I like both!) but not because they had children in. Plenty of great child characters in The Beast Below, The Snowmen, Listen, The Caretaker, Kill the Moon - even Night Terrors, which I don't particularly rate, the kid was pretty good. I don't think kids are any more or less reliable than any other age group. Occasionally less "real" than adult actors, but rarely scene-destroying.
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