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Old 25-11-2014, 19:36
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Denise said she thinks she will be sacked but I thought Patrick gave the Minute Mart to Denise and Kim? So confused haha.
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Old 25-11-2014, 19:37
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She does own it. hmmmm.
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Old 25-11-2014, 19:48
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Isn't it a franchise so there is a head office? Where Zainab applied for a job before she left?
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Old 25-11-2014, 19:49
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It's a franchise. Denise is manager.
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Old 25-11-2014, 19:53
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It is a franchise, but doesn't the shop and stock belong to Denise? She'd buy the stock through the Minute Mart to sell in her shop, she wouldn't have to report her takings to them surely. But they couldn't fire Denise, they could just remove the franchise as Denise owns the shop.
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Old 25-11-2014, 19:57
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I thought it was a franchise as well. It was privately owned at one stage but whoever the owner was then sold it to a chain. Yolande left because she so impressed head office that they made her some kind of regional manager.

I think it was the B-B that Patrick gave to Kim and Denise after the fire as he felt responsible. Or at least his share of it if they were co-owners prior to that.
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Old 25-11-2014, 20:01
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I thought it was a franchise as well. It was privately owned at one stage but whoever the owner was then sold it to a chain. Yolande left because she so impressed head office that they made her some kind of regional manager.

I think it was the B-B that Patrick gave to Kim and Denise after the fire as he felt responsible. Or at least his share of it if they were co-owners prior to that.
It was owned by Terry and Irene Raymond back when it was called First till Last when they left it closed down and reopened as Minute Mart which was a part of a chain. Patrick and Yolande bought the place and took over as the new owners in 2004 however come 2008 when Yolande left there was suddenly a head office and they were just managers.
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Old 25-11-2014, 21:40
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I thought she owned the franchise for the shop. But why she thought shabnam had sacked her is beyond confusing.
Also, why we're 3 staff working there at one time on Mondays episode?
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Old 25-11-2014, 22:11
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Remember a few years ago where there was a new area manager checking Denise was doing her job properly and he was a bit stuffy?
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Old 25-11-2014, 22:15
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I thought she owned the franchise for the shop. But why she thought shabnam had sacked her is beyond confusing.
Also, why we're 3 staff working there at one time on Mondays episode?
Two to serve, one to do a stock take?

Denise and Kim do jointly own it, Patrick did give it to them after the fire. It's true however that they operate it as a franchise so they can own the building but lease the name of the franchise from the franchisee or franchiser, I forget which.

I don't know how it operates stock wise, I presumed that they just pay a certain amount each month, whether it's a set amount or a percentage of the takings.
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Old 25-11-2014, 22:24
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I thought she owned the franchise for the shop. But why she thought shabnam had sacked her is beyond confusing.
Also, why we're 3 staff working there at one time on Mondays episode?
She probably thought that Shabs had reported her to those who do have the authority to sack her.
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Old 25-11-2014, 22:24
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I wondered why such a small shop had three staff at once! I can't remember all the ins and outs of who owns the Minute Mart but I did think Denise is the boss? I think it's weird that Shabnam works there when she could be in the pharmacy on a decent salary. I'd like to see the pharmacy used more. They don't necessarily have to know all the medical terms like in Holby City but should at least have customers being given "something for a cold". Shabnam is too clever to be stuck in the Minute Mart.
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Old 25-11-2014, 23:48
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I wondered why such a small shop had three staff at once! I can't remember all the ins and outs of who owns the Minute Mart but I did think Denise is the boss? I think it's weird that Shabnam works there when she could be in the pharmacy on a decent salary. I'd like to see the pharmacy used more. They don't necessarily have to know all the medical terms like in Holby City but should at least have customers being given "something for a cold". Shabnam is too clever to be stuck in the Minute Mart.
Didn't she turn it down because she could see Denise was struggling?
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Old 25-11-2014, 23:51
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Didn't she turn it down because she could see Denise was struggling?
Yeah, Shabnam is only there out of loyalty to Denise.
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Old 25-11-2014, 23:53
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Didn't she turn it down because she could see Denise was struggling?
Yes, that's what I think too. They must be good friends if Shabnam did that but would you do that for a friend? If I had the chance of a well paid decent job with prospects like Shabnam I'd take it.
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Old 25-11-2014, 23:55
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Didn't she turn it down because she could see Denise was struggling?
Shabbers is a bloomin saint. Love her! Or maybe she's swiping the Shiraz?
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Old 25-11-2014, 23:55
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The whole episode was ridiculous and beyond realistic. HO gets stick for being unrealistic but today's episode of EE was so embarrassing. Denise and the shop wtf is all that about specially the way Shabnam told her she will be paying it back £10 a month... Who the hell is she to tell Denise what to do Denise gave her the bloody job there! Bobby missing for a week and actually surviving sleeping in the woods, Ian not looking like he cared his son was missing, Cindy being very insensitive, Jane not calling Ian but turning up and taking a child's word about Ian picking him up at the station, not to mention Bianca not mentioning the fact Bobby and Tiff where planning on running away together!

It was a pile of shit! Actually worse then when it's The Carter Show. Do EE want us to go along with this??
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Old 25-11-2014, 23:56
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Two to serve, one to do a stock take?

Denise and Kim do jointly own it, Patrick did give it to them after the fire. It's true however that they operate it as a franchise so they can own the building but lease the name of the franchise from the franchisee or franchiser, I forget which.

I don't know how it operates stock wise, I presumed that they just pay a certain amount each month, whether it's a set amount or a percentage of the takings.
I'd forgotten all of that side of it.

EE never consistently portray leasing or renting - alfie's last stint in the Vic as a prime example. Phil used to go on about profits which implied that he was just managing it so getting a standard monthly salary (perhaps also commission) and phil took the profits and suffered the losses. But then he'd also say alfie was in rent arrears, if Alfie was actually renting the business then all the profits should have gone to him with Phil just getting his set rent each month.
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Old 26-11-2014, 00:02
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The whole episode was ridiculous and beyond realistic. HO gets stick for being unrealistic but today's episode of EE was so embarrassing. Denise and the shop wtf is all that about specially the way Shabnam told her she will be paying it back £10 a month... Who the hell is she to tell Denise what to do Denise gave her the bloody job there! Bobby missing for a week and actually surviving sleeping in the woods, Ian not looking like he cared his son was missing, Cindy being very insensitive, Jane not calling Ian but turning up and taking a child's word about Ian picking him up at the station, not to mention Bianca not mentioning the fact Bobby and Tiff where planning on running away together!

It was a pile of shit! Actually worse then when it's The Carter Show. Do EE want us to go along with this??
It doesn't matter if somebody originally hired you. If you discover they are stealing from the business then you have an obligation to go over their head and inform the bosses. Shabnam is actually doing Denise a favour by covering the stock take differences up and letting her pay it back

Bobby has not been missing a week - he has been missing one night and was wrapped up fairly warm. It's often not below freezing at this time of year, not unbelievable he could survive that lone.

Bianca didn't think the kids were being serious and is a stupid bint. She did let Carol know as soon as she realised Bobby had actually run away.

Jane had been trying to ring Ian, she said he wasn't answering his phone. Bobby is 11, children of that age do use public transport on their own. At least they did when I was 11.

I do think Jane would have made sure she spoke to Ian herself though.
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Old 26-11-2014, 00:22
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Yes, that's what I think too. They must be good friends if Shabnam did that but would you do that for a friend? If I had the chance of a well paid decent job with prospects like Shabnam I'd take it.
She said it's only temporary.
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Old 26-11-2014, 00:43
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Yes, that's what I think too. They must be good friends if Shabnam did that but would you do that for a friend? If I had the chance of a well paid decent job with prospects like Shabnam I'd take it.
Yes it was. It is just an example that Shabnam is, despite being a little prickly, a thoroughly decent human being who will put herself out to help others practically - without making a fuss or demanding thanks - even if she doesn't 'approve' of some of their actions or personality. We saw it with Carol when she learnt she had Cancer, with Masood when she learnt about the Gambling and him stealing Tamwar's money, with Alfie following the fire and with Denise and Patrick.
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Old 26-11-2014, 01:21
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It doesn't matter if somebody originally hired you. If you discover they are stealing from the business then you have an obligation to go over their head and inform the bosses. Shabnam is actually doing Denise a favour by covering the stock take differences up and letting her pay it back
That's how I took it too - Shabnam wouldn't report Denise to the head office for stealing the wine and the money as long as she returned the wine and paid back the money.
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Old 26-11-2014, 01:36
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That's how I took it too - Shabnam wouldn't report Denise to the head office for stealing the wine and the money as long as she returned the wine and paid back the money.
I don't even think it was a case of not reporting her. They are going to have to come up with a cover story (ie lie to their employers) to explain the discrepancy as apparently last month's stock take didn't balance so they are sending someone to check it out. If this person is suspicious, Shabnam will lose her job along with Denise.

It's not as simple as returning those 4 bottles of wine from Monday.
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Old 26-11-2014, 01:45
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I don't even think it was a case of not reporting her. They are going to have to come up with a cover story (ie lie to their employers) to explain the discrepancy as apparently last month's stock take didn't balance so they are sending someone to check it out. If this person is suspicious, Shabnam will lose her job along with Denise.

It's not as simple as returning those 4 bottles of wine from Monday.
No, I mentioned that Denise would have to pay back the money as well as return the wine. Didn't Denise mention that it was 75 quid or something?

I didn't catch that someone was being sent from the head office to check things out. Even so, I think could be explained. It's surprising that Shabnam is willing to go to those lengths for Denise, but this type of behavior isn't exactly characteristic of Denise. Clearly Shabnam sees something is very wrong.
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Old 26-11-2014, 02:01
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I think they said something yesterday about somebody coming to do a stock take because last month's figures were unusally out. So, HO are already suspicious which means all employees could be be viewed as a culprit if they decide it isn't breakages but rather incompetence (not noticing shoplifting) or staff theft.

It is entirely out of character for Denise and clearly Shabnam is aware and caring enough to realise this and want to help rather than just judge whilst also expecting Denise to make amends for her financial wrong doings.

I love shabnam, no white card, absolving all sins but protects people from the lions at the same time. She's be a fantastic parent.
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