The perfect pop song is obviously Teenage Kicks by The Undertones, although The Cure's Just Like Heaven and Friday I'm In Love come very close.
Is Baker Street the perfect pop song?
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Given how long it stayed at number one the perfect pop song must be Everything i Do by Bryan Adams, 16 weeks of that drivel!
For me the perfect pop song is Relax by FGTH
For me the perfect pop song is Relax by FGTH
Originally Posted by mushymanrob:
“you must have been one of the few exceptions1
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“you must have been one of the few exceptions1
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Oh I dunno, all my housemates at the time liked it too.
On a slight tangent, why did you pick out "Christians"? The song isn't religious in any way that I can see.
Being a younger soul, the first time I heard Baker Street, the saxophone part at least, was in an episode of The Simpsons and it always makes me think of that when I hear it now. It will always be "That tune from The Simpsons" in my mind!
Originally Posted by LaVieEnRose:
“Oh I dunno, all my housemates at the time liked it too.
On a slight tangent, why did you pick out "Christians"? The song isn't religious in any way that I can see.”
“Oh I dunno, all my housemates at the time liked it too.
On a slight tangent, why did you pick out "Christians"? The song isn't religious in any way that I can see.”
i knew alot at the time, and they (christians) appeared to have a very 'safe' taste in general. abba, queen, genesis, dooleys lol... and didnt like punk/disco/rock/ska trendy styles or reactionary/rebellious styles.
I heard it on the radio the other day. Have heard it a million times before, but was thinking that the sax part saves the entire song for some reason that day. The rest is pretty quickly forgettable.
Originally Posted by mushymanrob:
“i knew alot at the time, and they (christians) appeared to have a very 'safe' taste in general. abba, queen, genesis, dooleys lol... and didnt like punk/disco/rock/ska trendy styles or reactionary/rebellious styles.”
“i knew alot at the time, and they (christians) appeared to have a very 'safe' taste in general. abba, queen, genesis, dooleys lol... and didnt like punk/disco/rock/ska trendy styles or reactionary/rebellious styles.”
I suppose you mean regular churchgoers? I've never classified people as "Christians" in the way you seem to do here. Most people I've known have been nominally brought up as Christians, although most don't go to church except for the usual special occasions, if that. I do know people who are regular worshippers, but that is entirely incidental to their tastes and preferences in other areas.
Originally Posted by LaVieEnRose:
“I suppose you mean regular churchgoers? I've never classified people as "Christians" in the way you seem to do here. Most people I've known have been nominally brought up as Christians, although most don't go to church except for the usual special occasions, if that. I do know people who are regular worshippers, but that is entirely incidental to their tastes and preferences in other areas.”
“I suppose you mean regular churchgoers? I've never classified people as "Christians" in the way you seem to do here. Most people I've known have been nominally brought up as Christians, although most don't go to church except for the usual special occasions, if that. I do know people who are regular worshippers, but that is entirely incidental to their tastes and preferences in other areas.”
I mean born again christians
Originally Posted by mushymanrob:
“I mean born again christians”
“I mean born again christians”
I don't really know what that means. I've probably not met any.
Originally Posted by LaVieEnRose:
“I don't really know what that means. I've probably not met any.”
“I don't really know what that means. I've probably not met any.”
people in teen/adult life who have chosen to become christians as opposed to those who just do it because thats how it is sort of thing... i was brought up as 'christian', the religion was placed upon me, sunday school, morning assembly, etc... born agains make a conscious decision to really become followers as opposed to a cultural birth into it.
Originally Posted by LaVieEnRose:
“I don't really know what that means. I've probably not met any.”
“I don't really know what that means. I've probably not met any.”
Originally Posted by mushymanrob:
“people in teen/adult life who have chosen to become christians as opposed to those who just do it because thats how it is sort of thing... i was brought up as 'christian', the religion was placed upon me, sunday school, morning assembly, etc... born agains make a conscious decision to really become followers as opposed to a cultural birth into it.”
“people in teen/adult life who have chosen to become christians as opposed to those who just do it because thats how it is sort of thing... i was brought up as 'christian', the religion was placed upon me, sunday school, morning assembly, etc... born agains make a conscious decision to really become followers as opposed to a cultural birth into it.”
Never been to Northern Ireland then?
'Born Again' Christianity is salvation by Grace, by the Gift of The Lord, by accepting Christ as Saviour. It is supposed to include a 'personal relationship with Christ'. Often related to literal readings of Scripture which incidentally doesn't use the phrase 'Born Again'. It is a theological position associated with the Apostle Paul.
Mainstream Christianity (CoE or Roman Catholic) is more concerned with living an ethical life in accordance with Scripture and the Laws of the Church.
That's a great generalisation but that is an outline of the theological differences. In practice, I find that 'Born Again' can be used to cover a multitude of sins.
Not sure about Gerry Rafferty but i suspect he was Catholic.
Originally Posted by mgvsmith:
“Never been to Northern Ireland then?
'Born Again' Christianity is salvation by Grace, by the Gift of The Lord, by accepting Christ as Saviour. It is supposed to include a 'personal relationship with Christ'. Often related to literal readings of Scripture which incidentally doesn't use the phrase 'Born Again'. It is a theological position associated with the Apostle Paul.
Mainstream Christianity (CoE or Roman Catholic) is more concerned with living an ethical life in accordance with Scripture and the Laws of the Church.
That's a great generalisation but that is an outline of the theological differences. In practice, I find that 'Born Again' can be used to cover a multitude of sins.
Not sure about Gerry Rafferty but i suspect he was Catholic.”
“Never been to Northern Ireland then?
'Born Again' Christianity is salvation by Grace, by the Gift of The Lord, by accepting Christ as Saviour. It is supposed to include a 'personal relationship with Christ'. Often related to literal readings of Scripture which incidentally doesn't use the phrase 'Born Again'. It is a theological position associated with the Apostle Paul.
Mainstream Christianity (CoE or Roman Catholic) is more concerned with living an ethical life in accordance with Scripture and the Laws of the Church.
That's a great generalisation but that is an outline of the theological differences. In practice, I find that 'Born Again' can be used to cover a multitude of sins.
Not sure about Gerry Rafferty but i suspect he was Catholic.”
I'm still to be convinced that such people all tend to like the same kind of music. Sometimes I see references to "Christian bands", and again I have no idea what that means.
If it had to feature a saxophone then I'd go for
Roxy Music - Love Is The Drug
Although in general I'd have to go Teenage Kicks just pipping a number of Beatles tunes
Roxy Music - Love Is The Drug
Although in general I'd have to go Teenage Kicks just pipping a number of Beatles tunes
Originally Posted by LaVieEnRose:
“I'm still to be convinced that such people all tend to like the same kind of music. Sometimes I see references to "Christian bands", and again I have no idea what that means.”
“I'm still to be convinced that such people all tend to like the same kind of music. Sometimes I see references to "Christian bands", and again I have no idea what that means.”
they dont necessarily, i was generalising based on experience.
but think about it.... do you seriously think that the punk, rock and disco ethos that was around in 78 was compatible with christianity? (ok it could be argued that disco wasnt so 'evil' lol).
Originally Posted by mushymanrob:
“they dont necessarily, i was generalising based on experience.
but think about it.... do you seriously think that the punk, rock and disco ethos that was around in 78 was compatible with christianity? (ok it could be argued that disco wasnt so 'evil' lol).”
“they dont necessarily, i was generalising based on experience.
but think about it.... do you seriously think that the punk, rock and disco ethos that was around in 78 was compatible with christianity? (ok it could be argued that disco wasnt so 'evil' lol).”
Why not? It's just music. Mostly quite innocuous, although as always there are exceptions.
You could ask U2, they're practising Christians. Never stopped them taking inspiration from punk rock.
Originally Posted by LaVieEnRose:
“Why not? It's just music. Mostly quite innocuous, although as always there are exceptions.
You could ask U2, they're practising Christians. Never stopped them taking inspiration from punk rock.”
“Why not? It's just music. Mostly quite innocuous, although as always there are exceptions.
You could ask U2, they're practising Christians. Never stopped them taking inspiration from punk rock.”
'It's just music' - really? You are unaware of the Christian Right's attempts to censor rock music in the 1980s?
Here's a somewhat extreme view from a 'Born Again' Christian. Amy Grant and Stryper, Christian music artists who have crossed over to the mainstream, come in for some criticism in thus.
Originally Posted by LaVieEnRose:
“Why not? It's just music. Mostly quite innocuous, although as always there are exceptions.
You could ask U2, they're practising Christians. Never stopped them taking inspiration from punk rock.”
“Why not? It's just music. Mostly quite innocuous, although as always there are exceptions.
You could ask U2, they're practising Christians. Never stopped them taking inspiration from punk rock.”
if you think that christianity is compatible with 'anarchy in the uk' (the sentiment not the song) and 'sex and drugs and rock n roll' (the sentiment not the song) then thats youre opinion.
i dont and neither did the christians i hung about with at the time. whether this applies countrywide is of course open to speculation but i dont see why my experience was an enclave.
Originally Posted by PunksNotDead:
“Don't fear the reaper - Blue Oyster Cult”
“Don't fear the reaper - Blue Oyster Cult”
http://vimeo.com/91715361
Originally Posted by mushymanrob:
“if you think that christianity is compatible with 'anarchy in the uk' (the sentiment not the song) and 'sex and drugs and rock n roll' (the sentiment not the song) then thats youre opinion.
i dont and neither did the christians i hung about with at the time. whether this applies countrywide is of course open to speculation but i dont see why my experience was an enclave.”
“if you think that christianity is compatible with 'anarchy in the uk' (the sentiment not the song) and 'sex and drugs and rock n roll' (the sentiment not the song) then thats youre opinion.
i dont and neither did the christians i hung about with at the time. whether this applies countrywide is of course open to speculation but i dont see why my experience was an enclave.”
Of course that's not my opinion. Kindly do not put words into my mouth. I said "It's just music. Mostly quite innocuous, although as always there are exceptions".
I see you ignored my comment about U2. Clearly there's no point pursuing a discussion with you.
Originally Posted by LaVieEnRose:
“Of course that's not my opinion. Kindly do not put words into my mouth. I said "It's just music. Mostly quite innocuous, although as always there are exceptions".
I see you ignored my comment about U2. Clearly there's no point pursuing a discussion with you.”
“Of course that's not my opinion. Kindly do not put words into my mouth. I said "It's just music. Mostly quite innocuous, although as always there are exceptions".
I see you ignored my comment about U2. Clearly there's no point pursuing a discussion with you.”
then i dont know wtf youre on about! why go into depth about a moot point? ive told you why i said what i did and what its based on. i see you ignored the post made whereby christians were trying to censor rock in the 80's...
as for u2.... lol... yeah right, cos they are prime examples of excesses of sex, drugs, drinking that was part of the punk and rock scenes in the 70's (when baker street was out). u2 are rock for christians as much as baker street is... safe, unchallenging, and boooorrriiing. my point stands.
Originally Posted by mushymanrob:
“thank goodness im not the only one who thinks like this....
i always thought it was music for 'squares', falling in between the cool sounds of punk/new wave, of no interest to the disco dancers, too bland for the rockers, and too 'adult' for pop lovers. so who did like it?.... think it was mums n dads or christians (lol) who had little interest in what was going on in the bigger scene.”
“thank goodness im not the only one who thinks like this....
i always thought it was music for 'squares', falling in between the cool sounds of punk/new wave, of no interest to the disco dancers, too bland for the rockers, and too 'adult' for pop lovers. so who did like it?.... think it was mums n dads or christians (lol) who had little interest in what was going on in the bigger scene.”
Originally Posted by floog:
“I'm going to say The Isley Brothers This Old Heart of Mine.”
“I'm going to say The Isley Brothers This Old Heart of Mine.”
While I love Baker Street and its one of my favourite songs, I do see your point
Ah I didn't realise that the original of This Old Heart of Mine was by the Isley Brothers, but the Rod Stewart version is my favourite of his songs
Its an alright song, but it doesnt have the full package. Its a bit drab for some people.
Peter Gabrial - Sledgehammer
Now thats a song...
...Listen to the ****ing production! its so crisp and clear, its full of punch whilst never going sterile. In all the years since it has been out, not one single song has got that perfect balance of clarity and raw punch in the same track. The construction is a practical blueprint for writing songs as well. Catchy as ebola at a Nigerian rugby match. Everything is EXACTLY as it should be, every level is perfect, the compression not to hard and not too soft, gated wonderfully, everything just sounds like the perfect settings in the studio were achived.
That might not sound a great deal to those who do not make music (thats not a slight by the way, different strokes for different folks and all that), its pretty much the holy grail, "that sound". Its when everything is perfect and the track just flows effortlessly. Phil Spectre was another who could do that sort of thing as well, just side step the whole wife thing on that one though. But yeah, its a pretty amazing feat to get a track that perfect. Maybe I am biased but honestly, anyone who is thinking or starting to get into recording any style at all, thats the place to start. Thats your goal. Thats the top hip hop producers goal, its the top death metal underpant punk electro trip hop indie outfit of lesbian nuns goal as well. Its sublime.
Peter Gabrial - Sledgehammer
Now thats a song...
...Listen to the ****ing production! its so crisp and clear, its full of punch whilst never going sterile. In all the years since it has been out, not one single song has got that perfect balance of clarity and raw punch in the same track. The construction is a practical blueprint for writing songs as well. Catchy as ebola at a Nigerian rugby match. Everything is EXACTLY as it should be, every level is perfect, the compression not to hard and not too soft, gated wonderfully, everything just sounds like the perfect settings in the studio were achived.
That might not sound a great deal to those who do not make music (thats not a slight by the way, different strokes for different folks and all that), its pretty much the holy grail, "that sound". Its when everything is perfect and the track just flows effortlessly. Phil Spectre was another who could do that sort of thing as well, just side step the whole wife thing on that one though. But yeah, its a pretty amazing feat to get a track that perfect. Maybe I am biased but honestly, anyone who is thinking or starting to get into recording any style at all, thats the place to start. Thats your goal. Thats the top hip hop producers goal, its the top death metal underpant punk electro trip hop indie outfit of lesbian nuns goal as well. Its sublime.
Originally Posted by Tal'shiar:
“Its an alright song, but it doesnt have the full package. Its a bit drab for some people.
Peter Gabrial - Sledgehammer
Now thats a song...
...Listen to the ****ing production! its so crisp and clear, its full of punch whilst never going sterile. In all the years since it has been out, not one single song has got that perfect balance of clarity and raw punch in the same track. The construction is a practical blueprint for writing songs as well. Catchy as ebola at a Nigerian rugby match. Everything is EXACTLY as it should be, every level is perfect, the compression not to hard and not too soft, gated wonderfully, everything just sounds like the perfect settings in the studio were achived.
That might not sound a great deal to those who do not make music (thats not a slight by the way, different strokes for different folks and all that), its pretty much the holy grail, "that sound". Its when everything is perfect and the track just flows effortlessly. Phil Spectre was another who could do that sort of thing as well, just side step the whole wife thing on that one though. But yeah, its a pretty amazing feat to get a track that perfect. Maybe I am biased but honestly, anyone who is thinking or starting to get into recording any style at all, thats the place to start. Thats your goal. Thats the top hip hop producers goal, its the top death metal underpant punk electro trip hop indie outfit of lesbian nuns goal as well. Its sublime.”
“Its an alright song, but it doesnt have the full package. Its a bit drab for some people.
Peter Gabrial - Sledgehammer
Now thats a song...
...Listen to the ****ing production! its so crisp and clear, its full of punch whilst never going sterile. In all the years since it has been out, not one single song has got that perfect balance of clarity and raw punch in the same track. The construction is a practical blueprint for writing songs as well. Catchy as ebola at a Nigerian rugby match. Everything is EXACTLY as it should be, every level is perfect, the compression not to hard and not too soft, gated wonderfully, everything just sounds like the perfect settings in the studio were achived.
That might not sound a great deal to those who do not make music (thats not a slight by the way, different strokes for different folks and all that), its pretty much the holy grail, "that sound". Its when everything is perfect and the track just flows effortlessly. Phil Spectre was another who could do that sort of thing as well, just side step the whole wife thing on that one though. But yeah, its a pretty amazing feat to get a track that perfect. Maybe I am biased but honestly, anyone who is thinking or starting to get into recording any style at all, thats the place to start. Thats your goal. Thats the top hip hop producers goal, its the top death metal underpant punk electro trip hop indie outfit of lesbian nuns goal as well. Its sublime.”
Funny I always thought the production on that a bit heavy handed.
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