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3D TV or 4K TV
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FIFA1966
29-11-2014
Which one should i go for based on the following:


3D is not as massive as I thought it would be.

There are 3D TV's that can convert any 2D content into 3D.

If I get a 4K TV, will it be obsolete by the time Sky release their 4K Box?
koantemplation
29-11-2014
Definitely 4K IMO.

And you can probably get 3D with it anyway.
Nigel Goodwin
29-11-2014
Originally Posted by FIFA1966:
“There are 3D TV's that can convert any 2D content into 3D.”

Not exactly true, it doesn't 'convert' to 3D, it produces a fairly poor 'simulation' of 3D - however, having spoken to many 3D TV purchasers I've yet to find one that uses it on 3D beyond the first couple of weeks.
call100
29-11-2014
No brainer really.....4K....3D is dead, everyone I know who has a 3D TV gave up watching 3D content within a couple of months of buying the set, including the kids..
Lidtop2013
29-11-2014
We bought a LG smart tv at the start of this year and I didn't even bother with 3D
FIFA1966
30-11-2014
Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin:
“Not exactly true, it doesn't 'convert' to 3D, it produces a fairly poor 'simulation' of 3D - however, having spoken to many 3D TV purchasers I've yet to find one that uses it on 3D beyond the first couple of weeks.”


What about LG?
FIFA1966
30-11-2014
What about the following TV's:

http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/tv-dvd-...61725-pdt.html


http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/tv-dvd-...85731-pdt.html


http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/tv-dvd-...pdt.html#cat-0


Which leads me to a question:

Why is it that price reduction on these TV's hurts retailers?
Nigel Goodwin
30-11-2014
Originally Posted by FIFA1966:
“What about LG?”

What about LG? - you only get 3D on a programme made and broadcast in 3D, no TV can create 3D from a 2D source, only a feeble simulation.
totalE
30-11-2014
3d wont take off properly till you can watch it without glasses.

i have a lg 3d tv, and really wish i'd went for a 4k one instead.
White-Knight
30-11-2014
Personally, unless you can afford a Samsung with an upgradeable electronic centre, (currently about £2K), and can potentially afford the upgrade later (- £X hundred (currently unknown)), then I'd wait and not make any purchase until the 2nd Tier 4K specs are agreed for UK broadcasting and incorporated into 4K tv's, otherwise you're buying a TV that can't display 4K broadcast at it's true potential.

Equally, buying a HD tv atm would be a mistake because they're about to be obsoleted by 4K.

So, personally, unless your tv has gone bang, I'd wait as we're in a waiting phase between technologies atm.
mossy2103
30-11-2014
That's very sound reasoning.
Nigel Goodwin
30-11-2014
Originally Posted by White-Knight:
“Equally, buying a HD tv atm would be a mistake because they're about to be obsoleted by 4K.”

Not at all - there's unlikely to be any 4K broadcasts for many years (if at all?) - so mostly a 4K set is a complete waste of time.

Far better to buy the set you want know, and then in the future buy a 4K set if there's ever any real reason to?.

There's no doubt that 4K 'sets' are the future (simply because the time will come when all panels will be 4K - or higher), but there's little likelihood of 4K broadcasting becoming the norm, as there's not really much need for it.

Despite what some people on here claim, for 4K to have any worthwhile effect you need a MUCH bigger screen and view from MUCH closer - that's where the difference lies with 4K.
FIFA1966
01-12-2014
Originally Posted by totalE:
“3d wont take off properly till you can watch it without glasses.

i have a lg 3d tv, and really wish i'd went for a 4k one instead.”


Here are the links:

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/1267...lets-to-follow


http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/reviews/d...nds-on-review/
FIFA1966
01-12-2014
Is it advisable to get the following TV:


http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/tv-dvd-...pdt.html#cat-0
David (2)
01-12-2014
Even if u buy a 4k tv now what u really get is "4k ready" - none of them have a built in 4k tuner, because they haven't been made yet. So current 4k sets will need some form of 4k box attached to view 4k broadcast (which will take the form of sky, freesat, freeview, cable, and for your own collection, a new 4k Blu-Ray player).
Deacon1972
01-12-2014
Originally Posted by David (2):
“Even if u buy a 4k tv now what u really get is "4k ready" - none of them have a built in 4k tuner, because they haven't been made yet. So current 4k sets will need some form of 4k box attached to view 4k broadcast (which will take the form of sky, freesat, freeview, cable, and for your own collection, a new 4k Blu-Ray player).”

Panasonic's new range have compatible tuners to receive HEVC encoded transmissions, they were available to buy in November, pretty sure Sony's S9 range also have compatible tuners. Can't comment on LG or Samsung.
call100
01-12-2014
Originally Posted by David (2):
“Even if u buy a 4k tv now what u really get is "4k ready" - none of them have a built in 4k tuner, because they haven't been made yet. So current 4k sets will need some form of 4k box attached to view 4k broadcast (which will take the form of sky, freesat, freeview, cable, and for your own collection, a new 4k Blu-Ray player).”

Most people will use a box or pc of some sort as they do now. The chances of Freeview ever broadcasting UHD is so far away as not worth discussion. So current TV's will be fine for future use.
niall campbell
01-12-2014
Ideally 4K TV's must now have

HDCP 2.2
HEVC .265
HDMI 2.0
4.4.4 60Hz at 8 Bit Colour
60 FPS

Available 4 K TV's may work with these specs

H .264
HDMI 1.4 or 2.0
24/ 30 FPS
4K Upscaling Picture Enhancement




HDMI 2.0 Frequently Asked Questions

HDMI :: Manufacturer :: HDMI 2.0 :: FAQ for HDMI 2.0


Soundbars & AV Amps

These may interfere with Blu Ray players that are still to be produced, as it is hoped that the Blu Ray player will have HDCP 2.2 & still work with your TV that might not have it. Going through the AV Amp/ Soundbar may interfere with the " handshake " to allow playback.


HDMI 2.0 is the latest version of the High-definition Multimedia Interface. Version 2.0 is backward-compatible with all previous HDMI versions. According to the HDMI organization, 2.0 supports up to 60 fps (frames-per-second) content at 3840 x 2160 resolution. On the audio side, it permits up to 32 channels, 1536-kHz sampling and up to simultaneous streams for multiple users. Other features include simultaneous delivery of dual video streams on the same display; support for 21:9 aspect ratio content and displays; dynamic synchronization of video and audio streams; and expanded command and control.
While UHD content shot at 60 fps doesn’t exist yet (a few PC Games excepted), that format is expected to be used for future UHD sports content. However, if your set isn’t HDMI 2.0-capable, you will be limited to viewing UHD at a maximum of 30 fps. Content recorded on film, a medium with sufficient resolution to be converted to UHD, will remain at 24 fps, though it’s anticipated that movies shot with Ultra HD cameras will eventually migrate to 60 fps.

HDCP 2.2 (High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection) is the latest version of the encryption/decryption scheme used by HDMI to prevent copying of audio/video content as it travels from a source through additional devices (an A/V receiver, for example). At present, there is no content containing HDCP 2.2 encryption, though we expect that next-generation 4K Blu-ray discs and players will use it.
While we have yet to get our hands on any HDCP 2.2-equipped gear, we anticipate that some compatibility issues might arise when routing a HDCP 2.2 source like Blu-ray through an HDMI 1.4 or earlier A/V receiver or video switcher.

HEVC stands for High Efficiency Video Coding (also known as H.265). HEVC is said to be about twice as efficient as MPEG-4 coding, which in turn means a higher compression ratio for more manageable streaming of native 4K content. Netflix has already announced that it will provide HEVC-compressed 4K programming to subscribers starting this spring. But here’s the catch: UHDTVs that lack HEVC decoding won’t be able to display 4K content using the set’s built-in app, and will instead require an external HEVC-capable media receiver.
jzee
01-12-2014
4K TVs are still pretty pointless as the majority of content will be upscaled and not as sharp as it is on a 1080p TV.
d'@ve
01-12-2014
Originally Posted by FIFA1966:
“Which one should i go for based on the following:”

Neither 3D nor 4K. Get a good quality 1080p TV.

Originally Posted by FIFA1966:
“If I get a 4K TV, will it be obsolete by the time Sky release their 4K Box?”

Probably yes, especially if they decide to skip UHD-1 phase 1 (at 4K) in favour of UHD-1 phase 2 (at 4K) (or even UHD-2 at 8K) as the latter will contain most of the improvements over HD TV. I don't think any UK broadcaster has yet said what they plan to do or when.
Rossby41
01-12-2014
Also lets not forget if you want to stream 4k content (about the only way I know of getting it), you are going to need a pretty meaty broadband connection (at least 25mb, from what I've read).
FIFA1966
02-12-2014
Originally Posted by d'@ve:
“Neither 3D nor 4K. Get a good quality 1080p TV.



Probably yes, especially if they decide to skip UHD-1 phase 1 (at 4K) in favour of UHD-1 phase 2 (at 4K) (or even UHD-2 at 8K) as the latter will contain most of the improvements over HD TV. I don't think any UK broadcaster has yet said what they plan to do or when.”



Alright then, recommend me some TV's to get based upon the following:

32 Inch.

4 HDMI inputs.

Headphone Socket.

Scart Socket.

Switch to turn off/on.

Smart/Internet.

Easy to use.
Nigel Goodwin
02-12-2014
Originally Posted by FIFA1966:
“Alright then, recommend me some TV's to get based upon the following:

32 Inch.

4 HDMI inputs.

Headphone Socket.

Scart Socket.

Switch to turn off/on.

Smart/Internet.

Easy to use.”

You may as well add:

'Costs less than £49'

Your requirements are pretty well impossible, particularly a proper 'mains' switch which almost nothing has these days - and why would you want one?.
call100
02-12-2014
Seems you're not sure if you want to enter the 21st Century or not!!
2Bdecided
02-12-2014
Originally Posted by Rossby41:
“Also lets not forget if you want to stream 4k content (about the only way I know of getting it), you are going to need a pretty meaty broadband connection (at least 25mb, from what I've read).”

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=netflix+4k+bitrate

If you care about 4k, then unless you have deep pockets and intend to replace it every year anyway, don't buy a 4k TV yet. In a few years' time it's going to look like a very bad buy, and I'm not just talking about the price.

If you don't care about 4k, but there's a TV you want that happens to be 4k anyway, and you're happy with the upscaling, then go for it. HD-only models might be cheaper and/or better though.

Cheers,
David.
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