As I said from what I read. Even then people struggle to get those speeds.

I'll pass on that if you don't mind.

Read up (more) on it, look and listen to as many as possible for yourself, remember that you broadly get what you pay for, then from the 1080p models available, decide.

You won't have to wait that long. They are already obsolete as none can decode the forthcoming 4K broadcasts.

Current 4k sets (HDMI 2.0/HDCP 2.2) are not obsolete at all, they just require a stb which will do the decoding.

UHD phase 1 sets are all ready on sale, the Panasonic AX and Sony S9 range have HEVC compatible tuners.

Which one do I get because the reviews that I have read have bad points and good points?

It's astonishing how quickly the prices are dropping for 4k sets. We're not too far off the tipping point where it's a no brainer to go UHD over HD when replacing the existing set.

It depends. I haven't looked recently but I would expect a good HD set to be much better quality than a similarly priced UHD set.

It's (probably) like it was with HD Ready and Full HD where the HD Ready at the same price was usually better.

I still have an HD ready 50" Panny plasma and there is no advantage for me to go Full HD at my viewing distance so the only advantage of 4K would be the better colour palette but since I would watch little 4K anyway that's not really enough of a reason. Not really a no brainer.

The thing about HDMI standards is that they enable a lot of features, but most are optional. You will find products sold as "HDMI 2.0" which only support a fraction of the full HDMI 2.0 specification (and often only on one input).

I haven't seen one review mention this. The journalists don't understand it yet. They certainly don't have the test equipment to investigate it. But it'll bite people soon enough.

As for full compatibility with the next generation of BluRay...

Cheers,
David.

Bought an LG smart 3D TV in 2011 and love it, Still buy 3d Blurays, and feel the 3d adds something extra to the movies. If a film was produced in 3d and you only have or are watching the 2d version the inbuilt 2d to 3d conversion doesn't do a bad job.

Sky are already planning this:

http://recombu.com/digital/news/sky-...cup-this-month

2015 1st broadcasts according to that article starting with rugby early in 2015.


Not necessarily true.

You're assuming that the current panels can reproduce the expanded colour space and contrast ratios.

With the expanded colour space you get a 3D effect without glasses as the realism is much higher and thus the picture depth.

They are not "already planning" to start UHD TV broadcasts. Like BT and the BBC, Sky are experimenting with and testing 4K but the following from that article is important: ""It's very easy to produce a screen that delivers all those bright colours, but if you want to get it through an entire production chain you have to look at that seriously."

BT suggest not before the 2015-16 football season, so probably 2016 then, there's almost always slippage. But by then, the standards for UHD-1 phase 2 may have been agreed or be close, in which case who's going to want to have to spend millions or billions on upgrading their entire production and distribution chain to phase 1 specs, knowing that the far better phase 2 is just around the corner.

IMO, the broadcasters will continue to use UHD phase 1 for experimentation and testing, perhaps on a single test channel (if that) with content from a very limited number of phase 1-upgraded sources, while aiming for phase two rollout, starting towards the end of this decade. One set of expensive broadcast transmission and receiver upgrades instead of two. I hope that's how they do it anyway, you know it makes sense.

Youtube does 4K already

Ideally 4K TV's must now have

HDCP 2.2
HEVC .265
HDMI 2.0
4.4.4 60Hz at 8 Bit Colour
60 FPS

Available 4 K TV's may work with these specs

H .264
HDMI 1.4 or 2.0
24/ 30 FPS
4K Upscaling Picture Enhancement

That answers a lot of questions posed

4k is just starting to become mainstream - this video talks about 4k and when bluray 4k is coming out - http://youtu.be/thKRLGmZCxs

For me 3d is a waste of time, if I was buying a tv today it would be. A samsung hu6900 for around £600 (£200 cheaper than my full hd 7 series grrrr) the best samsung 4k smart tv that doesn't cost £4,000,000

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B...KLHOKY45TVM42P

May I ask your opinion on the following TV:

http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Produc...er/2454551.htm

Bear in mind that if you scroll down the page to where it says:

Technology Product/Spec

It says 3D.

Doesn't look bad, have a look at John Lewis though, cheaper and with a bigger warranty

Looks like this one has Passive 3D, the same as mine. Which means you can basically use the 3d glasses you get at the cinema.

In respect of 4k TV's I would have thought it was pretty straight forward, the main feature of HDMI 2.0 is support for 4k @50/60 (2160p) and HDCP 2.2, I doubt any other of the other features will be of any importance to the TV viewer - I'm interested in 21.9 aspect ratio support as this could make a difference to which 4k projector I'm purchasing.

The Panasonic AX range has 4x HDMI, all support HDMI 2.0, HDCP 2.2 and 4:4:4 colour sampling.

10-bit support?
BT.2020 colour support?

Then next year...
HDR support?
Maybe 12-bit support?

Then a year or so after...
120fps support?

(All at UHD/4k resolution of course; some of these were possible in HD even before HDMI 2.0)

Feel free to jump on the band wagon any time you want, but don't imagine things will settle down for a couple of years.

Cheers,
David.

Of course 10bit colour, but as you have said, certain features were supported on lower versions, 10bit colour was supported on HDMI 1.3 - I was thinking more about the higher sample rate, 32 audio channels, the enhancements not associated with TV's.

Yes the next step will hopefully be phase 2, but will HDMI be able to support 120fps and 12 bit colour etc, I read somewhere a new connection may be needed, so even more uncertainty.

I understand things will take time to settle down and I'm prepared for the changes that might happen, I don't want to make pointless upgrades which is why I will probably wait until 4k bluray specs are finalised.

I think 4k bluray specs are due to be sorted out by the middle of 2015 and the manufacturers are hoping to have 4k players ready for the festive period - personally I will be amazed if something isn't announced next month at CES 2015.

If 4K is going to be taken seriously then we need more than a couple of shows on Netflix and three or four demos - the jump from SD to HD had a massive advantage with the launch of the Xbox 360 and PS4 but they won't get that benefit this time around.

The Blu-ray Disc Association really need to pull their finger out ... these products need to be on the shelves a lot earlier than 12 months from now.

What's a Scart socket?

I bought a Logik 42" 3D 10 800 led tv 4 years ago. 10 pairs of 3D Glasses came with it. It has never flackered. Only one problem is I haven't been able to get my Sky remote to work with it.

Before HDMI existed, in order to get the best picture quality, you either needed an S-Video socket and/or a Scart socket on your TV.


Here is the explanation:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCART

Actually you needed RGB SCART, S-Video is greatly inferior (and composite SCART even more so).

I think post 46 is being "Sarky", some people may still have scart only output, ie an older DVD player. Their is no "Gain" in NOT having a scart input. My modern smart TV still has one.