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Think I've changed my mind about Windows Phone
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IvanIV
02-12-2014
Originally Posted by dearmrman:
“Perhaps you have a faulty phone, never had a problem like you describe.”

Me either. An additional gesture is there to prevent picking up the phone accidently let's say by taking it out of the pocket. It works pretty well, there must be a hw issue with the OPs phone.

I think WP works pretty well as a business phone, there's a strong integration with OneDrive, too, but everybody and their dog have iPhone as their work phone and Apple is not giving up yet. A colleague of mine bought Lumia 1520 after he saw mine, but at first he wasn't impressed at all. One has to learn new ways to do things and people are not patient anymore. It was different when iPhone or Android phones were at the beginning. There were enthusiasts that wanted them to succeed, now it's just jaded phone users that want everything working exactly as it was before.
noise747
02-12-2014
Originally Posted by clonmult:
“I've had a few Android devices over the years; I don't mind it, but it doesn't have a great interface. Sure, its flexible, but it is lacking in any form of elegance. It has just never felt slick, on any device that I've used.

Not that WP is perfect - its great in all areas apart from settings, which is an absolute mess (apparently due to be changed in an upcoming release?).”

IOS is not slick either to be honest, the few times I have use IOS, I found it annoying and yet you pay a lot more for a IOS phone, I really do not see what people see in them.

I could cope with a WP if I had to, but I would miss the flexibility of Android.what is needed is a OS with the flexibility of Android, with loads of Apps, without Google, MS or apple and make it open source.
noise747
02-12-2014
Originally Posted by sdduk:
“Sorry but WP is a juster Phone....Just needs this just needs that its been lagging behind a few years now
To be honest since they released the windows phones it's just not working for MS

I bought the nokia 530 form CPW and the first thing when i put the sim in and started it up i couldn't connect to the internet with the sim or the wifi
I had a look on google and found out it was the dam clock not having the right time
A little thing like that is the reasons people are not buying them plus MS want to know to much worse than the iphone trying to get all your information.”

Getting it from CPW did not help, i expect, because you have a problem and they look at you as if you are stupid.
noise747
02-12-2014
Originally Posted by call100:
“Not really. Not making money out of it doesn't make it a bad OS. Luckily MS pockets are fairly deep and they will probably come through enough to make it worthwhile. I think, that, if anything, it doesn't appeal so much to a younger audience as Android does.
Yes there are one or two things that I did miss initially, but have since found that they were not vital.....
Hopefully, more people will give it a go and build the market share.....Who knows?”

The problem then is you get a lack of choice, it because like the Iphone, produced by one manufacture, i am pretty sure MS would like other companies to use the OS.

the good thing about Android is that it is available on a choice of phones from Different manufactures, one of the bad things is that they then tend to stick their own bloat wear on it and that can slow some phones down again.

MS are not Apple, while Apple seems to be able to sell anything, even if it is over priced, MS will struggle. I think people still have not forgiven MS for the problems with Desktop computers over the years.
IvanIV
02-12-2014
Originally Posted by noise747:
“MS are not Apple, while Apple seems to be able to sell anything, even if it is over priced, MS will struggle. I think people still have not forgiven MS for the problems with Desktop computers over the years.”

I was on a train with a bunch of ten years old sitting around me. They all got their smartphones out and the one with an old banged up iPhone held the court. Apparently Samsung one boy had was only so-so, despite it being a gorgeous looking Note with a big screen. Then I took out my Lumia 1520 to check my emails and was informed Nokias are not cool. So there, from the mouths of babies
noise747
02-12-2014
Originally Posted by IvanIV:
“I was on a train with a bunch of ten years old sitting around me. They all got their smartphones out and the one with an old banged up iPhone held the court. Apparently Samsung one boy had was only so-so, despite it being a gorgeous looking Note with a big screen. Then I took out my Lumia 1520 to check my emails and was informed Nokias are not cool. So there, from the mouths of babies ”


But those are the ones that seems to have money somehow or other. it is the older ones 14 year olds and up whose minds these companies got to get into, because they are the ones that will be using their phones in the future.

a lot of older people stick with what they know, and tend not to change.
neo_wales
02-12-2014
Originally Posted by IvanIV:
“I was on a train with a bunch of ten years old sitting around me. They all got their smartphones out and the one with an old banged up iPhone held the court. Apparently Samsung one boy had was only so-so, despite it being a gorgeous looking Note with a big screen. Then I took out my Lumia 1520 to check my emails and was informed Nokias are not cool. So there, from the mouths of babies ”

An interesting observation, my two children are 27 and 30 and they look on Apple phones as 'chav' phones and they and their friends would not be seen dead with an iPhone...both are professionals (as are most of their friends)...thats fashion for you lol
clonmult
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by gomezz:
“It was changed for 8.1 and is well though out with all settings options avalable off the "front page" notifications screen.”

You're talking about a different thing. When you open settings, the list of options is random.

Under Settings/Applications its in alphabetical order (so fine). But the system settings - themes, accounts, screen settings, etc. are all just randomly sequenced. There is no sense to their ordering.
Dan 8t1
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by clonmult:
“You're talking about a different thing. When you open settings, the list of options is random.

Under Settings/Applications its in alphabetical order (so fine). But the system settings - themes, accounts, screen settings, etc. are all just randomly sequenced. There is no sense to their ordering.”

Actually Joe Belfiore said they are not in a random order but are in order of how frequently they think the user might need access to them.
jonmorris
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by Dan 8t1:
“Actually Joe Belfiore said they are not in a random order but are in order of how frequently they think the user might need access to them.”

The settings menu is now way too long and the next improvement should be to slot things into categories, or indeed merge some of them into one setting menu.

Even standard Windows does that to a degree in Control Panel.
noise747
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by neo_wales:
“An interesting observation, my two children are 27 and 30 and they look on Apple phones as 'chav' phones and they and their friends would not be seen dead with an iPhone...both are professionals (as are most of their friends)...thats fashion for you lol”

A lot of the younger people I know call Lumias old man phones. Saying that one of them got a Iphone c just because they think it is cool to have a Iphone even if it is the cheaper plastic model.

I can not see how a Iphone can be a Chav phone considering the price of them, also have we not gone past this Chav crap?

People will use what they like, I am not bothered what phone anyone use, apart from my mates Nokia 3310, which have thankfully gone belly up. Just being out with him with the sound of it He have now got himself a Nokia 105 or something like that, basic, and does what he wants, but the ring tone is better

While most of my mates do have Android based phones, some have Iphones, a couple got Windows based phones, a few got basic phones, Two even got a blackberry.


It do not really matter at the end of the day.
jonmorris
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by noise747:
“I can not see how a Iphone can be a Chav phone considering the price of them, also have we not gone past this Chav crap?”

I think that every kid that has given up his or her BlackBerry seems more likely to have progressed on to an iPhone, and here it gets rather interesting because you then see those who have got an older model (likely handed down from a parent that upgraded), a brand new phone (where did they get the money?) and increasingly the 5c, given it is a bit (but not much) more affordable, but possibly a bit more funky than the metal ones.

I assume it's partly the Apple brand, plus the access to apps and games, plus easy messaging - Whatsapp having now replaced BBM.

I'm sure in terms of numbers Android does well too, but it's probably all peer pressure. Now it's lame to have a BlackBerry and you need an iPhone. In 5 years, it might all change again.
Dan 8t1
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by jonmorris:
“The settings menu is now way too long and the next improvement should be to slot things into categories, or indeed merge some of them into one setting menu.”

I agree it is too long, and putting them into categories is probably the way to go.
IvanIV
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by jonmorris:
“The settings menu is now way too long and the next improvement should be to slot things into categories, or indeed merge some of them into one setting menu.

Even standard Windows does that to a degree in Control Panel.”

I agree, it's suboptimal, just sorting the settings alphabetically would be an improvement. It' s much easier to pick an item from a sorted list than when MS is being helpful. They could do a dynamic section of 3-5 recently/ most often used items on top if they insist on helping me. Make it optional, too.
gomezz
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by Dan 8t1:
“I agree it is too long, and putting them into categories is probably the way to go.”

It is already in categories with the categories sorted by anticipated frequency of use.
finbaar
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by gomezz:
“It is already in categories with the categories sorted by anticipated frequency of use.”

But how do I as a user know what settings I access most frequently until I have accessed them several times? It is the most STUPID way to order something. Setting up my daughters 530 last night was still a frustrating experience for me despite the fact I only left WP 3 months ago.

And what a totally shite screen the 530 has by the way. Really really bad. Even worse than the Lumia 625. Still for £15 the rest of it is pretty nifty.
1saintly
03-12-2014
lets not get into a discussion about hardware on a cheap phone, at £15 its given me and other household members a chance to try windows before spending a fortune on a phone.

love the lock screen setup, love the ease you install ring tones etc.

dont like the already mentioned settings menu. Also if you want to move a app to memory card, you cant, you have to delete from phone, then install again on memory card. Also dont get live tile setup, it only shows a bit of info, you have to then open app for anything useful.
Also on android if i press and hold home button, it shows recent/open apps, so dead quick to go back to them. As far as i can tell with windows, you have to keep pressing ''back button'' or go back to home screen and find it.

Whats the point in having a background setting, when you activate it and some tiles are transparent, others arent, writings hard to see, its just a mess to look at.
i know they wont, but if windows gave a option for tile or no tiles, and sort settings menu, and app to memory card, then i would invest in nokia 735.
But im afraid its the moto 4g in this household for everyone this xmas.

im going to keep playing with windows phone, and as it will get updated to next windows release, im intrested to see how it turns out

ps if im wrong or missing anything from the above, can windws users correct me.
Dan 8t1
03-12-2014
You need to press and hold the back button to switch between recent apps on Windows Phone.

The live tiles are only meant to give you quick info like the top news story or your next appointment, or how many new messages you have. The idea is that they notify you of things that you may or may not want to look into further in the app itself.
IvanIV
03-12-2014
I like background and transparent tiles, you just have to pick the right picture that will give you enough contrast. Most live tiles are not real time, but they give you a basic info, often that's enough. You can put things on the lock screen, I have there my agenda from my work account, which is quite handy, no need to open any app. App switching, as mentioned above. Tap and hold the back button.
1saintly
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by Dan 8t1:
“You need to press and hold the back button to switch between recent apps on Windows Phone.

The live tiles are only meant to give you quick info like the top news story or your next appointment, or how many new messages you have. The idea is that they notify you of things that you may or may not want to look into further in the app itself.”

Originally Posted by IvanIV:
“I like background and transparent tiles, you just have to pick the right picture that will give you enough contrast. Most live tiles are not real time, but they give you a basic info, often that's enough. You can put things on the lock screen, I have there my agenda from my work account, which is quite handy, no need to open any app. App switching, as mentioned above. Tap and hold the back button.”

thanks for that, recent app thing now found
Yep im TOTALY Loving the lock screen
Just tried deleting apps on home screen but it just leaves a black screen, you cant add a picture
Any ideas what win 10 is going to bring?
gomezz
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by IvanIV:
“You can put things on the lock screen, I have there my agenda from my work account”

And then there is the Glance screen which shows the same sort of information and notifications which you can display by simply waving your hand over the phone - no need to touch the physical Lock/Unlock button.
GeordiePaul
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by jonmorris:
“I think that every kid that has given up his or her BlackBerry seems more likely to have progressed on to an iPhone, and here it gets rather interesting because you then see those who have got an older model (likely handed down from a parent that upgraded), a brand new phone (where did they get the money?) and increasingly the 5c, given it is a bit (but not much) more affordable, but possibly a bit more funky than the metal ones.

I assume it's partly the Apple brand, plus the access to apps and games, plus easy messaging - Whatsapp having now replaced BBM.

I'm sure in terms of numbers Android does well too, but it's probably all peer pressure. Now it's lame to have a BlackBerry and you need an iPhone. In 5 years, it might all change again.”

A lot of people at work are giving up BlackBerries for iPhones. I am not a fan of either, but it's fair to say the iPhone is massively better especially from a support point of view. Most I talk to now say they wouldn't go back to BB and the ones that do are stuck in their ways.
TheBigM
04-12-2014
Originally Posted by 1saintly:
“i know they wont, but if windows gave a option for tile or no tiles, and sort settings menu, and app to memory card, then i would invest in nokia 735.
But im afraid its the moto 4g in this household for everyone this xmas.

im going to keep playing with windows phone, and as it will get updated to next windows release, im intrested to see how it turns out”

Windows 10 is a merging of Windows Phone and Windows RT so it may well bring a number of under-the-hood changes but expect the primary UI model of Windows for phones to remain the same.

Joe Belfiore has acknowledged on twitter that many people don't like the settings app as-is and they are thinking of how to redo it.

With regards to tile or no tile, the smallest setting tiles usually don't flip and you can then pack in quite a lot. 12 small tiles where you would normally have a row of 3 normal sized tiles.

The app to SD card shouldn't be a big deal as most people will put one in from the start.

It's a bit ridiculous to complain about the screen on a phone costing £15 (I know it wasnt you)! A new moto G would cost ten times that.
clonmult
04-12-2014
Originally Posted by GeordiePaul:
“A lot of people at work are giving up BlackBerries for iPhones. I am not a fan of either, but it's fair to say the iPhone is massively better especially from a support point of view. Most I talk to now say they wouldn't go back to BB and the ones that do are stuck in their ways.”

I'd go back to a BB for corporate mail in a heartbeat (if we were given the option). There is no way that the iPhone is massively better for email - to do that it would need a better keyboard (the iOS keyboard is by far and away its weakest point) for a start .... and to be truly useful it would also need much improved battery life.
gomezz
04-12-2014
Originally Posted by TheBigM:
“With regards to tile or no tile, the smallest setting tiles usually don't flip and you can then pack in quite a lot. 12 small tiles where you would normally have a row of 3 normal sized tile.”

I would be more likely to switch to using the new three column display if it allowed you to have an extra-large tile size that was the full width of the screen as is the large tile size in two-column mode. Essential to me for the Calendar display.
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