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Think I've changed my mind about Windows Phone
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clonmult
04-12-2014
Originally Posted by neo_wales:
“An interesting observation, my two children are 27 and 30 and they look on Apple phones as 'chav' phones and they and their friends would not be seen dead with an iPhone...both are professionals (as are most of their friends)...thats fashion for you lol”

My ex's kids (24 and 22) - both have iPhones, like their mum.

My oldest (13) refused an iPhone (I gave him a choice), went for Android (Xperia SP). At his next upgrade, he's likely to stick with Sony & Android.

Another ex's daughter (aged 14) went for a Lumia 630, she reckons its great - has all of her social apps covered.
Dan 8t1
04-12-2014
Originally Posted by gomezz:
“I would be more likely to switch to using the new three column display if it allowed you to have an extra-large tile size that was the full width of the screen as is the large tile size in two-column mode. Essential to me for the Calendar display.”

Just in case you're interested, the third party calendar app 'Cal' was free the other day (don't know if it still is) and that can show several upcoming appointments on its large tile.
gomezz
04-12-2014
Cautious about using a third party app as they all seem to have problems synching to Outlook in one way or another. And does not solve the "missing" extra large tile size issue I think they should have added with three-column mode.
barbeler
04-12-2014
Something about phones such as the iPhone and Nokia Lumia is the sheer size of the damned things. Don't you find them uncomfortable to carry around with you? My Lumia is far too big and heavy to fit into a trouser pocket and even barely fits safely into one of my jacket pockets. Do users wear a coat all the year round, or carry them in a shoulder bag?
By contrast, I hardly notice my old C1 01 and even better, you just press any button to answer a call immediately.
gomezz
04-12-2014
Can't say I find carrying my 820 around is a hassle at all. Mind I do not carry it in my trouser pocket but that is mainly because of the nature of my work. I do not want it vulnerable to being continually banged while I am carrying heavy boxes. I am more a belt holster sort of guy. I have a smart leather holster for use on my jeans while not at work and a padded, fabric holster for my work trousers (actually a compact camera holster that happened to be the best fit and design for the job in hand).

I did choose the 820 over the 920 partly because the 920 was tricky to operate one-handed with my short stubby fingers (and because at the time it was not available on my preferred mobile service)
finbaar
04-12-2014
Originally Posted by barbeler:
“Something about phones such as the iPhone and Nokia Lumia is the sheer size of the damned things. Don't you find them uncomfortable to carry around with you? My Lumia is far too big and heavy to fit into a trouser pocket and even barely fits safely into one of my jacket pockets. Do users wear a coat all the year round, or carry them in a shoulder bag?
By contrast, I hardly notice my old C1 01 and even better, you just press any button to answer a call immediately.”

But how is browsing the internet or navigation on your C1 01?

If you have a Lumia 1520 then I can see you might have a problem with the size. All of the others are easily pocketable.
call100
04-12-2014
Originally Posted by gomezz:
“I would be more likely to switch to using the new three column display if it allowed you to have an extra-large tile size that was the full width of the screen as is the large tile size in two-column mode. Essential to me for the Calendar display.”

I doubt you would get much more info on it. I suppose it would depend on which calendar app you were using. I don't use the native one, have you tried any of the others?
gomezz
04-12-2014
It is more about being able to read what is there from car cradle, armrest, table distance using my older eyesight!

My view of third party apps is based on user comments over on Windows Central.
WelshBluebird
04-12-2014
Originally Posted by barbeler:
“Something about phones such as the iPhone and Nokia Lumia is the sheer size of the damned things. Don't you find them uncomfortable to carry around with you? My Lumia is far too big and heavy to fit into a trouser pocket and even barely fits safely into one of my jacket pockets. Do users wear a coat all the year round, or carry them in a shoulder bag?
By contrast, I hardly notice my old C1 01 and even better, you just press any button to answer a call immediately.”

No different to Android phones like the new Galaxy Note or the Nexus 6.
call100
04-12-2014
Originally Posted by gomezz:
“It is more about being able to read what is there from car cradle, armrest, table distance using my older eyesight!

My view of third party apps is based on user comments over on Windows Central.”

If you pin and use it on the lock screen it should be large enough... Windows Central is OK but a bit US slanted and some of the comment isn't applicable to the UK.
I use True Calendar 8. Another one I have is VsysCalendar 365 (I had to stop using it because an update buggered up GCal).
I like the Try for 5 days before you buy. Gives you plenty of time to test the apps....
gomezz
04-12-2014
I would want to see a solid body of support for an alternative app before I risk my calendar data with it. There does not seem to be any stand out candidates that have that.
call100
04-12-2014
Originally Posted by gomezz:
“I would want to see a solid body of support for an alternative app before I risk my calendar data with it. There does not seem to be any stand out candidates that have that.”

What are you risking? Are you just using the built in Calendar?
gomezz
04-12-2014
There is the risk of data loss going back many years.
call100
04-12-2014
Originally Posted by gomezz:
“There is the risk of data loss going back many years.”

OK, I think you are losing out to paranoia, but, that's your prerogative. I don't think the inbuilt calendar is any more secure, so why use one at all?
gomezz
04-12-2014
When you depend on it to remember who, what, when and where it is not paranoia.
call100
04-12-2014
Originally Posted by gomezz:
“When you depend on it to remember who, what, when and where it is not paranoia.”

I'm still not sure of what you are afraid of losing......Your calendar is backed up on line to sync with other machines/phones you may require to view it on. How would your app lose your data? Why wouldn't the native app lose it? You aren't making any sense at the moment., no offence meant.
clonmult
04-12-2014
Originally Posted by barbeler:
“Something about phones such as the iPhone and Nokia Lumia is the sheer size of the damned things. Don't you find them uncomfortable to carry around with you? My Lumia is far too big and heavy to fit into a trouser pocket and even barely fits safely into one of my jacket pockets. Do users wear a coat all the year round, or carry them in a shoulder bag?
By contrast, I hardly notice my old C1 01 and even better, you just press any button to answer a call immediately.”

My 1020 is at the upper end of what I'd count as being "comfortable". The iPhone 6, SGS4/5, etc. - all too large for me.

For me the perfect size was found in prior generations - Nokias N8 and the iPhone 4S were my perfect size.
gomezz
04-12-2014
Originally Posted by call100:
“I'm still not sure of what you are afraid of losing......Your calendar is backed up on line to sync with other machines/phones you may require to view it on. How would your app lose your data? Why wouldn't the native app lose it? You aren't making any sense at the moment., no offence meant.”

What if the app deletes or changes data in error then syncs *that* back to the online copy?
call100
04-12-2014
Originally Posted by gomezz:
“What if the app deletes or changes data in error then syncs *that* back to the online copy?”

When has that ever happened? You still haven't said what you are using for your calendar?
gomezz
04-12-2014
The built in Calendar app. I thought I had made that clear. Also access it using outlook.com on the laptop which is handy for doing stuff like setting up a large number of irregular repeat appointments.
call100
04-12-2014
OK so the built in calendar is just an app that logs onto your outlook calendar (which the others can do). No different to any other Calendar app and no more safe or secure. But, if you are happy, then fine. I just couldn't understand your dilemma.....
MGS4SnakeRulez
05-12-2014
Got my first Windows phone today, a Nokia Lumia 735. It's not to bad but doesn't feel quite right. Coming from Android and have also used ios. Maybe it will grow on me. If not it will be handy as a spare phone.
IvanIV
05-12-2014
There's Simple Calendar that will put your agenda on lock screen, so you don't need even to unlock the phone. If you don't have some super secret appointments there nobody can see Not sure if the MS one can do this. I keep the Simple one for the display only and use MS one for editing.
call100
05-12-2014
Originally Posted by IvanIV:
“There's Simple Calendar that will put your agenda on lock screen, so you don't need even to unlock the phone. If you don't have some super secret appointments there nobody can see Not sure if the MS one can do this. I keep the Simple one for the display only and use MS one for editing.”

Most of them can do that. True Calendar 8 certainly can and as you say, easier to read on the lock screen than in the app.
call100
05-12-2014
Originally Posted by MGS4SnakeRulez:
“Got my first Windows phone today, a Nokia Lumia 735. It's not to bad but doesn't feel quite right. Coming from Android and have also used ios. Maybe it will grow on me. If not it will be handy as a spare phone.”

Takes a little while to retrain your muscles for pressing different buttons.
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