Why should people change and fit into what the stereotype is of being middle aged. The fact that madonna is getting older should not mean she has to produce music what stereotypically you class as befitting of her position in life. Yes as you grow older life experiences change our thoughts but true artists also stay true to themselves. Just because you get older doesn't mean your values and beliefs change. Over the past thirty years my values and beliefs have matured but that hasn't changed the person I am to fit into a middle aged society. I may have a few wrinkles put on and lost a few pounds but I am very much the same as both younger and older people just with different life experiences. Madonna has always enjoyed making pop/dance music just because she is 30 years into the business doesn't mean she should change her music style or what she enjoys doing to fit into a small narrow minded ageist point of view. And at what age do you suddenly consider that someone needs to conform to this stereotypical lifestyle of Middle aged. Does that suddenly mean actors of a certain age should only consider befitting roles within films, Professional DJ's should hang up their headphones and only play retro themed parties, shop floor workers should only work in shops befitting there age, I really hope there are a lot of vintage stores opening so everyone in the middle aged braket can get a job.
Madonna's music has changed and her life experiences etc have influenced her music greatly in the past 20 years some people might not like it or want to listen to it but that's what makes Madonna the person she is and why she had the success she has.

No wishful thinking here, ive changed in my outlook, values, and personality. Ok we are largely who we are as i agree about genetics and experiences. But we aquire experiences every day and thats changed me from the hot headded teenager/young man with pretty much black and white views to a far more mature circumspect calmer person. If i was a musician, my music would be radically different. I believe im not alone in this! Artists evolve, or like ordinary people should do. Hell who hasnt changed im thirty years plus?

Would disagree, Radio One has decided that, plenty of other radio stations haven't.

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Growing old isnt a stereotype, its a natural process. True why should she conform? Well imho theres something unbecomin and unappealing about old people trying to act young. I mean, how wrong would it look if iI tried to court a young audience through music? Its like the argument made by fans of jacko.... Why shouldnt he have sleepovers with kids. ? Its just not acceptable whether theres an ulterior motive or not.

And surely after thirty years as an artist any artist should have moved on from courting a teen market.

I find it very offensive to compare Madonna doing pop/dance music to Michael Jackson hanging out with children. I don't see Madonna trying to act young, I see her being the same type of artist she has always been. You say artists music should change as they get older, but most artists don't change their genre of music that radically. Most artists have a favorite kind of music that they feel comfortable with and do best. Why do they have to change as they get older? People are always complaining Madonna is clinging to her youth but what about older male artists? The rock group AC/DC recently came out with a new album. It has the same kind of hard rock riffs that their older music did. Where is the criticism of them hanging onto their youth?
Madonna's music does not appeal to teenagers. Most of her fans are in their thirties and their forties. We grew up with fun uptempo pop music of the 80's and that's what we love. You can be older and still like uptempo dance music and to have fun. I don't see her appealing to teenagers. I see her doing the kind of music she is comfortable with. She was trained as a dancer and moving in her soul. I would find it odd if she all of a sudden stood still and did just acoustic ballads just because that's what people seem as suitable for her age.

Madonna has always been about tackling taboos. All Madonna's behaviour now is her simply taking on ageism and challenging people's perceptions of it. She will never admit that in public because she is too vain but that is what's going on. In 30 years time it will just be another one of her lasting legacies.

I say good on her and who in their right mind seriously expected Madonna to 'grow old gracefully' anyway? it would go against everything she ever stood for!

Today's Sun headline of "Madonna with the big boobies" over yet another picture of her flashing her wares at a faintly nauseated world really sums up the mess she's in. I have lots of her records and once defended her to the hilt but she's pissing away any legacy she might have enjoyed.

For someone so caught up in her image and 'cred' it's ironic she is lacking any self-awareness and so has created this public persona of the flashing granny. She once looked certain to go down as the greatest female pop star of all time but her mediocre music for years now and desperate exhibitionism are threatening to make her a tragic comedy figure. It's now eclipsing her past substantial back catalogue and past achievements.

Acdc never courted a teen audience, gigi get offended if you muzt but the sight of a middle aged mum cavorting in het underwear in order to sell music offends me. Its an offence to the artistry of music, it has nothing to with pushing barriers but has everything to do with shifting units.

I liked madonna for twenty five odd years, just not her recent years. Get over it, ive stated my objections either agree or not itll make no difference to my pov as theres nothing thati havnt considered. I fully accept that some dont agree with my pov. Move on now.

Oh come on, there have been far more outrageous artists then her, as if real rebels court the pop scene! Lol

The thing is though, Adele IS a really good singer. You can't copy that.

Ha ha.

I think when her songs started to contain lyrics like "I don't like cities But I like new york Other places make me feel like a dork" you could see she's had it. Last good song was the Abba sample.

You say you have been a fan of Madonna for 25 years, but she has always used sexuality in her work. Remember the Sex book and Erotica? Why is it that her using sexuality all of a sudden offends you now just because she is older? It seems to me if you are offended by sexuality and nudity and that type of thing you wouldn't be a fan of Madonna in the first place because that has always been a part of her presentation. But now just because she is older and a Mom, you are offended and expect her to be a totally different person and artist. It just doesn't make sense to me.
And I don't think it's fair to say she uses nudity or sexuality merely to sell records. It's an integral part of her art and her message. Rather than being an offense to her artistry, it's part of it. A lot of her message has always been about expressing yourself and not being ashamed of your body and your sexuality. If you don't understand that or have an issue with that, I think you have missed a big part of her message over the years.

Fans are so gullible, they will by into anything, in order to defend their favourite artist. Art & message more like an excuse to get her kit off and get in the press, sorry it is all about getting exposure and selling music, Madonna is a business brand (and a very good business at that), nothing more & nothing less...and frankly there is nothing wrong with it either.

I never said growing old was a stereotype. My point was just because you grow older why should you fit a stereotype of what is seen as being middle aged. Madonna has changed throughout her thirty year career especially after having children. However that doesn't fundamentally change the person or values they believe in. Throughout her entire career she has used her body imagery and music to reflect her viewpoint and at times challenge what people think or get people talking about things. That hasnt changed and nor should it just because she is in her fifties.
The MJ comment is totally ridiculous as there is in no way any relevance or comparison of peadophelia with regards to Madonna and her style in music or if people think she is cool.

Of course, Madonna wants to make money and be successful. But she also has a message she wants to get across and which has had a profound affect on people over the years. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

Yep buy my records and keep my upkeep & lifestyle going, thank you very much...suckers, fans mainly are though and will buy into anything. Never understood this adoration from fans and will defend their favourite artists to the hilt, I get the music side of things, but that doesn't mean the artist can't be a complete ahole in other things.

firstly, i didnt claim to be a fan... but i wouldnt claim to be a fan of anyone... that suggests some sort of cult like devotion to someone who can do no wrong. i do like most of her material though, and i respect most of it.

the point is, that she started out as an overhyped pop star who actually not only lived up to the hype , but outgrew it. she did break barriers and over 25 odd years her music evolved. wheres the overt sex in 'frozen' for eg? but it seems she regressed in the mid 00's back to doing what she did 25 years earlier.

so after a fairly outrageous, and clear evolution as an artist, she regressed to doing what she did before, long before, and that smacks of desperation and sadness. i dont see it as challenging taboos, i see it as desperation to cling onto youth, and shifting units.


because for a middle aged mum acting like a teenager is sad. its always rather unbefitting when middle aged people try to act like they were younger, its pathetic really, why not just grow older gracefully or disgracefully? there are plenty of women her age in music who grow as artists, but retain a rebellious streak, who portray sexual allureness without taking their clothes off.

if her recent antics ive highlighted were an attempt to break taboos, shes failed... unlike the clever ground breaking antics of the past (like a prayer video for eg).

who likend madonna to paedophillia?... i was likening her fans with jacko fans whos hero can do no wrong. you and gigi appear top be confirming this!

well said! its clear that many of us think along these lines.

and it is the very point her devoted fans must take on board by general music lovers who broadly seem to view her like this.

FWIW, I think Madonna looked fantastic in those photos!

I don't look as good as her now let alone at 56!

Sorry, but this is offensive af.

You are saying that a sight of a middle aged mum in her underwear trying to express her sexuality on stage offends you, yet you are ok with girls like me in their twenties doing the same. It does look that the sexuality of younger artists doesn't offend you, or music and art as you put it, in fact you are saying that it's Madonnas age and her maternity what makes you uncomfortable and offended.... I don't know how old you are or if you are married, hun, but if you are, would you tell to your middle aged wife who bore you kids and grew older with you that she shouldn't be trying to be sexual, nacked or in her underwear in front of you anymore because the sight offends you? Really? It's a human body ffs, why is it ok to show it when you are young but suddenly not when you are older? I do think that there should be more women like Madonna who are not afraid to show their bodies, because the perception and pressure on us women and the way we look is sick. Yes, I am offended by your pov, you are just extremely close minded and prejudiced.

I'd love to see the original photos before they were Photoshopped to death.

It is possible to be both sexual AND classy with it.

Maybe I'm being "extremely close minded and prejudiced" but I can't think of many things I'd like to see less than my Mum on Page 3 of the Sun.

I think Kylie does a pretty good job of that. She's never gone over the line. She did do an ad for an adult lingerie company (I can't remember which one). It was too racy for TV and could only be shown in cinemas. It was pretty hot but still classy (IMHO).

At one point I think she was definitely considered cool without a doubt. Now though, I think she's so cringy. She's in her 50's and people know her more these days as the Flashing Granny than they do for her music. She was always controversial and she always took risks, but she was always good at reinventing herself a little now and then. When huge stars get older it's harder for them to continue making music that's popular and to stay current, but there's nothing wrong with that. Take Mariah Carey as an example...absolutely huge, but a lot of people now slag her off and say she's lost it etc. What do people expect? She's had an absolutely huge career, she's settled down with kids, she's achieved pretty much everything she can achieve. What is it people expect from her? She's now able to sit back and make music she wants to make, whether people like it or not. She's done it all. The same is with Madonna...she can do this, but she's not. She comes across as so, so desperate to stay current. She's had an amazing career. Instead of trying to deserately grab onto her glory days, she should just stop flashing her fanny, sit back and release the music she wants to make instead of being so desperate. Or if she does want to continue trying to grasp onto her past, she should at the very least put the fanny away because it's seriously cringy and embarassing and people talk about her mroe for that now than they do her music.

But how do you know she isn't doing exactly that, what she wants to? Being sexual and provocative was always a part of who she was.