Do you remember when Madonna was cool?
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I reckon there is a chance (albeit slim) that even Jordan will finally stopped flashing her bits for good when she's in her 50's.
Originally Posted by Rae_Amury:
“Sorry, but this is offensive af.
You are saying that a sight of a middle aged mum in her underwear trying to express her sexuality on stage offends you, yet you are ok with girls like me in their twenties doing the same. It does look that the sexuality of younger artists doesn't offend you, or music and art as you put it, in fact you are saying that it's Madonnas age and her maternity what makes you uncomfortable and offended.... I don't know how old you are or if you are married, hun, but if you are, would you tell to your middle aged wife who bore you kids and grew older with you that she shouldn't be trying to be sexual, nacked or in her underwear in front of you anymore because the sight offends you? Really? It's a human body ffs, why is it ok to show it when you are young but suddenly not when you are older? I do think that there should be more women like Madonna who are not afraid to show their bodies, because the perception and pressure on us women and the way we look is sick. Yes, I am offended by your pov, you are just extremely close minded and prejudiced.”
“Sorry, but this is offensive af.
You are saying that a sight of a middle aged mum in her underwear trying to express her sexuality on stage offends you, yet you are ok with girls like me in their twenties doing the same. It does look that the sexuality of younger artists doesn't offend you, or music and art as you put it, in fact you are saying that it's Madonnas age and her maternity what makes you uncomfortable and offended.... I don't know how old you are or if you are married, hun, but if you are, would you tell to your middle aged wife who bore you kids and grew older with you that she shouldn't be trying to be sexual, nacked or in her underwear in front of you anymore because the sight offends you? Really? It's a human body ffs, why is it ok to show it when you are young but suddenly not when you are older? I do think that there should be more women like Madonna who are not afraid to show their bodies, because the perception and pressure on us women and the way we look is sick. Yes, I am offended by your pov, you are just extremely close minded and prejudiced.”
"trying to express her sexuality"?... what does that mean?... we all know what a womans body looks like, why does she feel the urge to show it off? true sexual allure is about being dressed in an alluring manner, classy, not looking like an old desperate slut!
and whats that got to do with music? and yes, im against ALL ages using crude sexual images (and both sexes) to shift units. the music should stand up for itself, it shouldnt need overt sexual imagery to get ones attention. being sexually attractive doesnt mean wearing as little as you can and gyrating your bits. sometimes i think youngsters have lost the plot (fake tans, trout pout lips, scousebrows, luminous white teeth, ott make up.... there doesnt appear to be any class at all nowdays)
whats the age of my partner got to do with it?... id be shocked if she needed to show the world her body in public in that manner, be her 20 or 80. (yes swimming cozzys are the exception, they are worn for practical reasons). you appear to have alot to learn about sexual allure.
theres a reason more women arent like madonna on this... its crass.
and it cuts both ways with men too...in fact when men act/dress/behave younger then their years they are refered to as 'pervs' trying to pull young girls.
this is all about growing up, maturing, young people do behave in a more reckless way then older people, as you mature you refine your behaviour. theres nothing wrong with that, all i can say is thank fcuk im not the hot headded **** i was when i was 20, neither are my family or friends.
Originally Posted by Sereniity:
“https://twitter.com/MadonnaLegion/st...477953/photo/1
Madonna said that in 1993. Read the quotes
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“https://twitter.com/MadonnaLegion/st...477953/photo/1
Madonna said that in 1993. Read the quotes
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... but shes not being adventurous! shes only doing what shes done many years before. i cannot see the point she is supposedly trying to prove, but whatever it is, its failed to win over 'non fans'.
Originally Posted by Master Ozzy:
“At one point I think she was definitely considered cool without a doubt. Now though, I think she's so cringy. She's in her 50's and people know her more these days as the Flashing Granny than they do for her music. She was always controversial and she always took risks, but she was always good at reinventing herself a little now and then. When huge stars get older it's harder for them to continue making music that's popular and to stay current, but there's nothing wrong with that. Take Mariah Carey as an example...absolutely huge, but a lot of people now slag her off and say she's lost it etc. What do people expect? She's had an absolutely huge career, she's settled down with kids, she's achieved pretty much everything she can achieve. What is it people expect from her? She's now able to sit back and make music she wants to make, whether people like it or not. She's done it all. The same is with Madonna...she can do this, but she's not. She comes across as so, so desperate to stay current. She's had an amazing career. Instead of trying to deserately grab onto her glory days, she should just stop flashing her fanny, sit back and release the music she wants to make instead of being so desperate. Or if she does want to continue trying to grasp onto her past, she should at the very least put the fanny away because it's seriously cringy and embarassing and people talk about her mroe for that now than they do her music.”
“At one point I think she was definitely considered cool without a doubt. Now though, I think she's so cringy. She's in her 50's and people know her more these days as the Flashing Granny than they do for her music. She was always controversial and she always took risks, but she was always good at reinventing herself a little now and then. When huge stars get older it's harder for them to continue making music that's popular and to stay current, but there's nothing wrong with that. Take Mariah Carey as an example...absolutely huge, but a lot of people now slag her off and say she's lost it etc. What do people expect? She's had an absolutely huge career, she's settled down with kids, she's achieved pretty much everything she can achieve. What is it people expect from her? She's now able to sit back and make music she wants to make, whether people like it or not. She's done it all. The same is with Madonna...she can do this, but she's not. She comes across as so, so desperate to stay current. She's had an amazing career. Instead of trying to deserately grab onto her glory days, she should just stop flashing her fanny, sit back and release the music she wants to make instead of being so desperate. Or if she does want to continue trying to grasp onto her past, she should at the very least put the fanny away because it's seriously cringy and embarassing and people talk about her mroe for that now than they do her music.”
absolutely! now i cannot abide carey... but i respect her for this and it highlights the usual evolution a musical artists takes.
Originally Posted by mushymanrob:
“"trying to express her sexuality"?... what does that mean?... we all know what a womans body looks like, why does she feel the urge to show it off? true sexual allure is about being dressed in an alluring manner, classy, not looking like an old desperate slut!
and whats that got to do with music? and yes, im against ALL ages using crude sexual images (and both sexes) to shift units. the music should stand up for itself, it shouldnt need overt sexual imagery to get ones attention. being sexually attractive doesnt mean wearing as little as you can and gyrating your bits. sometimes i think youngsters have lost the plot (fake tans, trout pout lips, scousebrows, luminous white teeth, ott make up.... there doesnt appear to be any class at all nowdays)
whats the age of my partner got to do with it?... id be shocked if she needed to show the world her body in public in that manner, be her 20 or 80. (yes swimming cozzys are the exception, they are worn for practical reasons). you appear to have alot to learn about sexual allure.
theres a reason more women arent like madonna on this... its crass.
and it cuts both ways with men too...in fact when men act/dress/behave younger then their years they are refered to as 'pervs' trying to pull young girls.
this is all about growing up, maturing, young people do behave in a more reckless way then older people, as you mature you refine your behaviour. theres nothing wrong with that, all i can say is thank fcuk im not the hot headded **** i was when i was 20, neither are my family or friends.”
“"trying to express her sexuality"?... what does that mean?... we all know what a womans body looks like, why does she feel the urge to show it off? true sexual allure is about being dressed in an alluring manner, classy, not looking like an old desperate slut!
and whats that got to do with music? and yes, im against ALL ages using crude sexual images (and both sexes) to shift units. the music should stand up for itself, it shouldnt need overt sexual imagery to get ones attention. being sexually attractive doesnt mean wearing as little as you can and gyrating your bits. sometimes i think youngsters have lost the plot (fake tans, trout pout lips, scousebrows, luminous white teeth, ott make up.... there doesnt appear to be any class at all nowdays)
whats the age of my partner got to do with it?... id be shocked if she needed to show the world her body in public in that manner, be her 20 or 80. (yes swimming cozzys are the exception, they are worn for practical reasons). you appear to have alot to learn about sexual allure.
theres a reason more women arent like madonna on this... its crass.
and it cuts both ways with men too...in fact when men act/dress/behave younger then their years they are refered to as 'pervs' trying to pull young girls.
this is all about growing up, maturing, young people do behave in a more reckless way then older people, as you mature you refine your behaviour. theres nothing wrong with that, all i can say is thank fcuk im not the hot headded **** i was when i was 20, neither are my family or friends.”
I find it weird then that a look on a woman in her 50s in underwear or with naked breasts offends you so much then, when you are so used to it.
And that bit about music, we don't live in the 60's anymore. Visuals became a part of music and it's all an art form. Art has always been connected to nudity, sex and sexuality. It's all natural, isn't it? So why not to show it off? Don't be such a prude.
Originally Posted by mushymanrob:
“... but shes not being adventurous! shes only doing what shes done many years before. i cannot see the point she is supposedly trying to prove, but whatever it is, its failed to win over 'non fans'.”
“... but shes not being adventurous! shes only doing what shes done many years before. i cannot see the point she is supposedly trying to prove, but whatever it is, its failed to win over 'non fans'.”
Many people would say a woman daring to bare all in their 50s is adventurous and why should Madonna care about winning over new fans?
As revealed yesterday she is the richest recording star in the world
http://money.cnn.com/2014/12/02/luxu...rding-artists/
I doubt 'new fans' are even on her mind. She doesn't need them.
Originally Posted by Rae_Amury:
“I find it weird then that a look on a woman in her 50s in underwear or with naked breasts offends you so much then, when you are so used to it.
And that bit about music, we dont live in the 60s anymore. Visuals became a part of music and its all an art form. Art has always been connected to nudity, sex and sexuality. Its all natural, isnt it? So why not to show it off? Don't be such a prude.”
“I find it weird then that a look on a woman in her 50s in underwear or with naked breasts offends you so much then, when you are so used to it.
And that bit about music, we dont live in the 60s anymore. Visuals became a part of music and its all an art form. Art has always been connected to nudity, sex and sexuality. Its all natural, isnt it? So why not to show it off? Don't be such a prude.”
its mildy offensive when its done to sell records, like i said, the music should stand up for itself without gimmicks. good music doesnt need gimmicks. ive always thought that theres a direct correlation between the ammount of flesh on show and the actual quality of the music. i still do.
visuals were as important in the 60's as they are now... reletively (ok we have progressed in the last 50 years) but back then they understood more that being sexually alluring doesnt mean revealing as much flesh as you can. (or wearing as much make up as you can).
Originally Posted by Sereniity:
“Many people would say a woman daring to bare all in their 50s is adventurous and why should Madonna care about winning over new fans?
As revealed yesterday she is the richest recording star in the world
http://money.cnn.com/2014/12/02/luxu...rding-artists/
I doubt 'new fans' are even on her mind. She doesn't need them.”
“Many people would say a woman daring to bare all in their 50s is adventurous and why should Madonna care about winning over new fans?
As revealed yesterday she is the richest recording star in the world
http://money.cnn.com/2014/12/02/luxu...rding-artists/
I doubt 'new fans' are even on her mind. She doesn't need them.
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that makes her sound like all shes wanting to do is milk the fans she has... of course a real recording artist would care more about the quality of the material they produced then trying to score some cheap point about old women being 'sexy'.
Originally Posted by mushymanrob:
“its mildy offensive when its done to sell records, like i said, the music should stand up for itself without gimmicks. good music doesnt need gimmicks. ive always thought that theres a direct correlation between the ammount of flesh on show and the actual quality of the music. i still do.
visuals were as important in the 60's as they are now... reletively (ok we have progressed in the last 50 years) but back then they understood more that being sexually alluring doesnt mean revealing as much flesh as you can. (or wearing as much make up as you can).”
“its mildy offensive when its done to sell records, like i said, the music should stand up for itself without gimmicks. good music doesnt need gimmicks. ive always thought that theres a direct correlation between the ammount of flesh on show and the actual quality of the music. i still do.
visuals were as important in the 60's as they are now... reletively (ok we have progressed in the last 50 years) but back then they understood more that being sexually alluring doesnt mean revealing as much flesh as you can. (or wearing as much make up as you can).”
You say that and three posts up praise Mariah. The same Mariah who wears next to nothing, while almost falling out of her bar - while also touching herself up no less, in every pop video she has made for the past 15 years. Madonna is what she is, Mariah is what she is. Neither will change and neither will cover up. Mariah has been far more soft core porn than Madonna has for a long time now when it comes to music videos.
Originally Posted by mushymanrob:
“that makes her sound like all shes wanting to do is milk the fans she has... of course a real recording artist would care more about the quality of the material they produced then trying to score some cheap point about old women being 'sexy'.”
“that makes her sound like all shes wanting to do is milk the fans she has... of course a real recording artist would care more about the quality of the material they produced then trying to score some cheap point about old women being 'sexy'.”
lol I doubt the gay fans Madonna has care about the odd titty flash so I'd hardly say she was milking them. Madonna fans know what she is and they accept it.
It seems to me the issue with Madonna is 'non fans' such as yourself who want her to be something she isn't and will never be. If you're not a fan of her work then why should it concern you if she shows her nipples off in a fancy photo?
Originally Posted by RetroMusicFan:
“FWIW, I think Madonna looked fantastic in those photos!
I don't look as good as her now let alone at 56!”
“FWIW, I think Madonna looked fantastic in those photos!
I don't look as good as her now let alone at 56!”
I bet with madonnas crack team of photoshop experts you could probably look better. or look like anything in the world from mickey mouse to a mickey d's
Originally Posted by Gigi4:
“But that's where I generally disagree. Older people are pretty much the same person as when they were younger with wrinkles and a few extra pounds. People talk about maturing and changing, but a lot of that is wishful thinking. For better or worse, people are who they are. Who you are is actually determined by experiences quite early in your life and even genetics.”
“But that's where I generally disagree. Older people are pretty much the same person as when they were younger with wrinkles and a few extra pounds. People talk about maturing and changing, but a lot of that is wishful thinking. For better or worse, people are who they are. Who you are is actually determined by experiences quite early in your life and even genetics.”
physically old people are the same person, albeit can look dramatically different due to changes in weight, hair loss, wrinkles and everything else life throws at them. so in other words they can look nothing like they did when younger
mentally most people will mature and change. socialist left wing rebellious ideas usually fade away after a few years of experiencing life and accumulating possessions and wealth. the young broke Madonna who went to NYC broke is a million miles away from the twice married divorcee with kids and a bank balance few can obtain. I doubt she spoke with a fake posh accent often when she was trying to get her first few records out either
just look at most successful musicians who have a long and successful career, such as starting off singing rebellious songs and ending up making butter adverts
Originally Posted by Rae_Amury:
“And that bit about music, we don't live in the 60's anymore. Visuals became a part of music and it's all an art form. Art has always been connected to nudity, sex and sexuality. It's all natural, isn't it? So why not to show it off? Don't be such a prude.”
“And that bit about music, we don't live in the 60's anymore. Visuals became a part of music and it's all an art form. Art has always been connected to nudity, sex and sexuality. It's all natural, isn't it? So why not to show it off? Don't be such a prude.”
Upload a picture of yourself naked and link it here then.
Originally Posted by Rae_Amury:
“- Madonnas USP is certainly not her voice, but it also never was just her look or sexuality. There is much more to her as an artist than that, her creativity, ideas, imagery, the way she pushes people's buttons etc.”
“- Madonnas USP is certainly not her voice, but it also never was just her look or sexuality. There is much more to her as an artist than that, her creativity, ideas, imagery, the way she pushes people's buttons etc.”
those are things all artists have, they are far from USP's
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- Her music is mostly dance pop oriented, but that doesn't mean she does the same thing for 30 years. When you listen to her debut, Like a Prayer, Erotica and Ray of Light, you can see how much she has evolved.”
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- Her music is mostly dance pop oriented, but that doesn't mean she does the same thing for 30 years. When you listen to her debut, Like a Prayer, Erotica and Ray of Light, you can see how much she has evolved.”
not really. she's just moved from one set of writers/producers/video makers/stylists to another, singing on whatever the current batch of people are doing
what she has done differently is evita, but that was 20 odd years ago. personally I couldn't stand it, but it was different
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- Madonna doesnt't have music created for her, she is creating music.”
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- Madonna doesnt't have music created for her, she is creating music.”
really? according to the credits it seems other people write/produce and play the instruments
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When she works with producers and writers, they don't write for her, they write with her and together they work on her ideas about the album. Maybe that's why it worked for her, don't you think?”
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When she works with producers and writers, they don't write for her, they write with her and together they work on her ideas about the album. Maybe that's why it worked for her, don't you think?”
or to be more accurate, why her music over the last 10+ years has been mostly boring and stale at least compared to the previous work?
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- Madonna wants to work with the best producers and writers. Can you blame her? Every artist would work with the bests if he could.”
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- Madonna wants to work with the best producers and writers. Can you blame her? Every artist would work with the bests if he could.”
of course they do
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- Why do you think that an artist should sound his age?”
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- Why do you think that an artist should sound his age?”
I don't. which is why I didn't say that
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Why should it matter?”
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Why should it matter?”
you tell me as you brought it up
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How can you even tell how old is the musician when you listen to a new instrumental song? The only thing that matters is if the music is good or not imo.”
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How can you even tell how old is the musician when you listen to a new instrumental song? The only thing that matters is if the music is good or not imo.”
google and Wikipedia are good places to start
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- Grace Jones is hardly a high profile artist like Madonna who is trying to maintain her mainstream appeal. You can't compare them.”
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- Grace Jones is hardly a high profile artist like Madonna who is trying to maintain her mainstream appeal. You can't compare them.”
of course you can. look at my previous post where I did
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- It's Michael Hutchence, hun.
And its funny how you think that Madonna was never cool, yet Kylie was. I for example think that their career pats are very similar. Both had their ups and downs, some of their eras were cool, some weren't, some suck and some are brilliant.”
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- It's Michael Hutchence, hun.
And its funny how you think that Madonna was never cool, yet Kylie was. I for example think that their career pats are very similar. Both had their ups and downs, some of their eras were cool, some weren't, some suck and some are brilliant.”
what's amusing about it? throughout all sorts of things, you have some parts that are cool and others that aren't. from fashion to technology and everything in between. one fashion company may be considered cool, whereas another isn't
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- I listen also to a lot of underground and alternative stuff, but it doesn't mean it's always cool. It can be, but so can the mainstream stuff. I think that "cool" is very subjective and down to personal taste anyway.”
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- I listen also to a lot of underground and alternative stuff, but it doesn't mean it's always cool. It can be, but so can the mainstream stuff. I think that "cool" is very subjective and down to personal taste anyway.”
I said the same thing myself that cool is subjective. what is cool in some circles may not be cool in others. what is cool in one country can be uncool in another
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- Kylie is also about 10 years younger than Madonna, and as soon as she starts to look her age, she will probably struggle too, ageism is everywhere. It's disgusting.”
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- Kylie is also about 10 years younger than Madonna, and as soon as she starts to look her age, she will probably struggle too, ageism is everywhere. It's disgusting.”
disgusting? it's Madonna and kylie who have used their sexuality and looks to make money from other people
Originally Posted by Gigi4:
“Madonna and Kyle may both use sexuality in their visual presentation, but they use it very differently. Madonna's use of sexuality has never been in the conventional sense of trying to get people turned on by looking at her and wanting to have sex with her.”
“Madonna and Kyle may both use sexuality in their visual presentation, but they use it very differently. Madonna's use of sexuality has never been in the conventional sense of trying to get people turned on by looking at her and wanting to have sex with her.”
I guess I completely misunderstood the sex book when I read it
and nile Rodgers recent comment about Madonna asking why he didn't try to shag her when everyone else did has nothing to do with the conventional sense either?
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Kylie has used it more of the conventional sense of looking cute or conventionally pretty.”
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Kylie has used it more of the conventional sense of looking cute or conventionally pretty.”
oh. I thought it was just the same myself. I feel ashamed for buying a book of naked photos of Madonna for the wrong reasons
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So it doesn't really matter that she is older because she is not trying to be sexually attractive in the conventional way.”
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So it doesn't really matter that she is older because she is not trying to be sexually attractive in the conventional way.”
so help me understand why she released a book with fully naked photos of herself, called "sex" and the most recent topless shots that have been appearing online the last few days?
did you know some people like granny porn? some like teens, some like fat women, others like all sorts of other things. Madonna could be catering for the folk who like granny porn. maybe she's smart as I can't think of any other pop stars catering to the granny porn market
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Look at her current shoot for Interview magazine which is getting a lot of press. It's sexual but in a more unconventional creative artistic way, almost like a performance artist may use nudity in their work. A lot of her nudity and sexual images appeals to a female audience who see it as empowerment and women owning their own bodies and sexuality, not to a heterosexual male audience who want to sleep with her.”
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Look at her current shoot for Interview magazine which is getting a lot of press. It's sexual but in a more unconventional creative artistic way, almost like a performance artist may use nudity in their work. A lot of her nudity and sexual images appeals to a female audience who see it as empowerment and women owning their own bodies and sexuality, not to a heterosexual male audience who want to sleep with her.”
so if you select certain photos you can state to which demographic each appeals to and the reasons they were taken?
even the reasons between the model and photographer can vary between in regards to their ideas for a shoot
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Madonna is not struggling to keep up in a visual sense. Her visuals”
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Madonna is not struggling to keep up in a visual sense. Her visuals”
what visuals did Madonna create? can you give some examples? or do you mean the visuals that other people created for her? such as the photographers, make up artists, stylists, photoshoppers, etc etc etc?
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have always been amazing, fascinating and cutting edge if not conventionally beautiful even if sometimes the music is more mainstream pop which people may or may not like. I don't think any of Kylie's photoshoots have had the same cultural or artistic impact.”
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have always been amazing, fascinating and cutting edge if not conventionally beautiful even if sometimes the music is more mainstream pop which people may or may not like. I don't think any of Kylie's photoshoots have had the same cultural or artistic impact.”
as far as I'm concerned this is completely to do with the photographers, stylists and artists etc, not the model in the photograph
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I'm not a huge follower of Kylie, but the only time she tried to be cool was with Impossible Princess, which the public generally rejected. Kylie isn't cool, but the public doesn't want her to be. They want to her to be a cute fun, slightly cheesy but super nice pop star which she does well.
Madonna appeals to a far different sensibility generally which is more cool.”
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I'm not a huge follower of Kylie, but the only time she tried to be cool was with Impossible Princess, which the public generally rejected. Kylie isn't cool, but the public doesn't want her to be. They want to her to be a cute fun, slightly cheesy but super nice pop star which she does well.
Madonna appeals to a far different sensibility generally which is more cool.”
does she? unfortunately she doesn't pull it off. the rolling around in a leotard all those years ago was the nail in that coffin
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She appeals to people who are different, who feel they don't fit into society and generally has a darker feel to a lot of her imagery.”
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She appeals to people who are different, who feel they don't fit into society and generally has a darker feel to a lot of her imagery.”
is that why she sells millions of records? because they all feel different? except this ultimately means they are all far more similar than they thought
this is like the idea of emo/alternate where they think they "dress to be different" yet end up yet another tribe all looking the same
Madonna makes commercial music for a mass market, with videos and photoshoots and everything else all around it. she's as different as pepsi cola
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If you look past the pop feel of her songs, there is fundamental sadness and melancholy to some of her best songs, whereas Kylie is more lighthearted and fun. The dark sad undercurrent and unconventional imagery of Madonna makes her much cooler than Kylie.”
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If you look past the pop feel of her songs, there is fundamental sadness and melancholy to some of her best songs, whereas Kylie is more lighthearted and fun. The dark sad undercurrent and unconventional imagery of Madonna makes her much cooler than Kylie.”
I didn't get the melanchonic feeling from holiday. I guess I just don't understand Madonna after 30 odd years of listening. i'll have a listen to express yourself whilst rereading the sex book to see what I missed
Originally Posted by Rae_Amury:
“But how do you know she isn't doing exactly that, what she wants to? Being sexual and provocative was always a part of who she was.”
“But how do you know she isn't doing exactly that, what she wants to? Being sexual and provocative was always a part of who she was.”
It's blatantly obvious that she's not making the music she wants...that or she's no longer able to make good songs. It's bland, generic and meaningless crap. It's obvious that she's despertaly chasing a hit and dying to stay current and keep up with the youg ones.
Originally Posted by Sereniity:
“You say that and three posts up praise Mariah. The same Mariah who wears next to nothing, while almost falling out of her bar - while also touching herself up no less, in every pop video she has made for the past 15 years. Madonna is what she is, Mariah is what she is. Neither will change and neither will cover up. Mariah has been far more soft core porn than Madonna has for a long time now when it comes to music videos.”
“You say that and three posts up praise Mariah. The same Mariah who wears next to nothing, while almost falling out of her bar - while also touching herself up no less, in every pop video she has made for the past 15 years. Madonna is what she is, Mariah is what she is. Neither will change and neither will cover up. Mariah has been far more soft core porn than Madonna has for a long time now when it comes to music videos.”
no i said i respect mariah for making the music she wants to and not reverting to trying to be young again.
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“lol I doubt the gay fans Madonna has care about the odd titty flash so I'd hardly say she was milking them. Madonna fans know what she is and they accept it.”
“lol I doubt the gay fans Madonna has care about the odd titty flash so I'd hardly say she was milking them. Madonna fans know what she is and they accept it.”
so why do it? is it some sort of childish joke?... "oh tee hee madge flashed her nip, how outrageous" , except it isnt. its pathetic.
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“It seems to me the issue with Madonna is 'non fans' such as yourself who want her to be something she isn't and will never be. If you're not a fan of her work then why should it concern you if she shows her nipples off in a fancy photo?”
“It seems to me the issue with Madonna is 'non fans' such as yourself who want her to be something she isn't and will never be. If you're not a fan of her work then why should it concern you if she shows her nipples off in a fancy photo?”
i think 'non fans' like myself are just disappointed that this once great artist has become or appears to have become a sad rather pathetic character trying to recapture her youth instead of continuing to create some decent music.
Originally Posted by unique:
“just look at most successful musicians who have a long and successful career, such as starting off singing rebellious songs and ending up making butter adverts”
“just look at most successful musicians who have a long and successful career, such as starting off singing rebellious songs and ending up making butter adverts”
ha ha... yes but lydon did that to fund the new PIL venture.
I don't understand the Mariah Carey example at all. Mariah Carey incorporates a lot of hip hop sounds and rappers into her music. Why isn't that seen as an effort to stay young and current? She started off doing more MOR/AC ballads which appealed to an older audience. But she kind of moved away from that and added the rappers and the hip hop feel. Why is Madonna doing dance music her trying desperately to be young, but Mariah using rappers isn't?
Originally Posted by unique:
“I bet with madonnas crack team of photoshop experts you could probably look better. or look like anything in the world from mickey mouse to a mickey d's”
“I bet with madonnas crack team of photoshop experts you could probably look better. or look like anything in the world from mickey mouse to a mickey d's”
Well I think she looks good!
And why would I want to look like Mickey Mouse or a McDonald's?
Lol!
Originally Posted by Gigi4:
“I don't understand the Mariah Carey example at all. Mariah Carey incorporates a lot of hip hop sounds and rappers into her music. Why isn't that seen as an effort to stay young and current? She started off doing more MOR/AC ballads which appealed to an older audience. But she kind of moved away from that and added the rappers and the hip hop feel. Why is Madonna doing dance music her trying desperately to be young, but Mariah using rappers isn't?”
“I don't understand the Mariah Carey example at all. Mariah Carey incorporates a lot of hip hop sounds and rappers into her music. Why isn't that seen as an effort to stay young and current? She started off doing more MOR/AC ballads which appealed to an older audience. But she kind of moved away from that and added the rappers and the hip hop feel. Why is Madonna doing dance music her trying desperately to be young, but Mariah using rappers isn't?”
its really quite simple.... since motherhood we were told that carey makes the music she wants too, regardless of whether or not its popular. in other words shes given up on the 'sexy' style.
Originally Posted by mushymanrob:
“its really quite simple.... since motherhood we were told that carey makes the music she wants too, regardless of whether or not its popular. in other words shes given up on the 'sexy' style.”
“its really quite simple.... since motherhood we were told that carey makes the music she wants too, regardless of whether or not its popular. in other words shes given up on the 'sexy' style.”
Do you follow Mariah's career at all?
She was so desperate to get another big billboard hit she teamed up with Miguel and in the process almost managed to ruin his career with this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oe1wtkkt9-E
I really suggest you watch it before saying Mariah has ''given up on sexy'' because its starting to sound like you don't know what you're saying here.
Originally Posted by Sereniity:
“Do you follow Mariah's career at all?
She was so desperate to get another big billboard hit she teamed up with Miguel and in the process almost managed to ruin his career with this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oe1wtkkt9-E
I really suggest you watch it before saying Mariah has ''given up on sexy'' because its starting to sound like you don't know what you're saying here.”
“Do you follow Mariah's career at all?
She was so desperate to get another big billboard hit she teamed up with Miguel and in the process almost managed to ruin his career with this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oe1wtkkt9-E
I really suggest you watch it before saying Mariah has ''given up on sexy'' because its starting to sound like you don't know what you're saying here.”
You may have a point, no i dont follow her career, i detest her! I was basing my post on what someone else had posted without checking it.
However that doesnt detract from thepov i hold over madonna.
Originally Posted by mushymanrob:
“You may have a point, no i dont follow her career, i detest her! I was basing my post on what someone else had posted without checking it.
However that doesnt detract from thepov i hold over madonna.”
“You may have a point, no i dont follow her career, i detest her! I was basing my post on what someone else had posted without checking it.
However that doesnt detract from thepov i hold over madonna.”
So mushymanrob maybe we should discount your POV of any of your posts as we won't know what you have based any of your posts on. Sounds to me like your POV of Madonna is based on biased poor journalism or reading others unfactual posts.
Originally Posted by unique:
“those are things all artists have, they are far from USP's”
“those are things all artists have, they are far from USP's”
Lol
No, not all people who call themselves "artists" have them.
Originally Posted by unique:
“not really. she's just moved from one set of writers/producers/video makers/stylists to another, singing on whatever the current batch of people are doing
what she has done differently is evita, but that was 20 odd years ago. personally I couldn't stand it, but it was differents”
“not really. she's just moved from one set of writers/producers/video makers/stylists to another, singing on whatever the current batch of people are doing
what she has done differently is evita, but that was 20 odd years ago. personally I couldn't stand it, but it was differents”
So Evita was the only different project she did according to you and everything else she did sounds the same? If that's what you are saying then you probably need to have your ears checked.
Originally Posted by unique:
“really? according to the credits it seems other people write/produce and play the instruments”
“really? according to the credits it seems other people write/produce and play the instruments”
She is credited on almost every song on her albums (excluding soundtracks). Maybe have also your eyes checked.
Originally Posted by unique:
“or to be more accurate, why her music over the last 10+ years has been mostly boring and stale at least compared to the previous work?”
“or to be more accurate, why her music over the last 10+ years has been mostly boring and stale at least compared to the previous work?”
She run out of ideas? As if she is the first artist it happened to.
Originally Posted by unique:
“I don't. which is why I didn't say that”
“I don't. which is why I didn't say that”
You only went on to praise how Grace's sound "befits her age" and then went on to preach how Madonna's doesn't. I'm asking why should it matter...?
Originally Posted by unique:
“you tell me as you brought it up”
“you tell me as you brought it up”
You brought it up, now explain it.
Originally Posted by unique:
“google and Wikipedia are good places to start”
“google and Wikipedia are good places to start”
So everytime you hear a new piece of music, you run to wikipedia to check if the artists age befits the song? Oh dear.
Originally Posted by unique:
“of course you can. look at my previous post where I did”
“of course you can. look at my previous post where I did”
Apples and oranges.
Originally Posted by unique:
“I said the same thing myself that cool is subjective. what is cool in some circles may not be cool in others. what is cool in one country can be uncool in another”
“I said the same thing myself that cool is subjective. what is cool in some circles may not be cool in others. what is cool in one country can be uncool in another”
And also what is cool to you is not cool to me
Originally Posted by unique:
“disgusting? it's Madonna and kylie who have used their sexuality and looks to make money from other people”
“disgusting? it's Madonna and kylie who have used their sexuality and looks to make money from other people”
So just because sexuality is a part of who they are, what they do and they dare to make a lot of money, the ageism is deserved and justified? Or?
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