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Old 30-11-2014, 16:08
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To be fair, Jake himself said he didn't know how he was in there. He doesn't see himself as a celeb but he slotted into the group as if he belonged there and good on him for doing that. I think Jimmy's comments were extremely nasty and Jake was visibly hurt by them. Jimmy sees himself as a celebrity but to be honest I'd never heard of Jimmy, whereas I'd heard of Jake so, to me, Jake is more famous than Jimmy.
Agree with that. Most people outside of football will not know who JB is. I have a vague recollection of JQ on X Factor. JQ is not a celeb, but neither is JB. JB looks like the type of lairy geezer you find strutting their stuff in sarf London. Big on the council estate and in their own heads but a minnow in the real world.
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Old 30-11-2014, 16:08
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It's irrelevant whether what Jimmy said was truthful or not. I think most of us would probably agree that it was.
But was it necessary?
No I don't think it was.

The intent and motivation behind what Jimmy did is what is under scrutiny here, not whether he was telling the truth.

I'm sick of it on these reality shows where contestants are always defended because 'They're just being honest' or 'They're just saying how it is' or 'They're only saying what everyone is thinking'.
That does not take into account any malicious intent behind 'just being honest'.
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Old 30-11-2014, 16:11
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So, what is the truth. that Jake is known by millions, was invited onto the show the same as every one else, and seems like a nice guy. if you want to spout the truth then spout the whole truth, and don't cherry pick for maximum offence.

Well at least we know the truth about Jimmy now....he's a nasty piece of work.
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Old 30-11-2014, 16:39
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The truth hurt them both and they both got nasty

No surprise the vast majority of viewers are sticking up for the young good looking slightly effeminate one though
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Old 30-11-2014, 17:07
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The truth hurt them both and they both got nasty

No surprise the vast majority of viewers are sticking up for the young good looking slightly effeminate one though
Not that I like to engage in these kind of judgements but what is kissing, cuddling and freaking out at tasks and jungle critters about but quintessentially (if a tad sexist ) effeminate
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Old 30-11-2014, 17:12
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So, what is the truth. that Jake is known by millions, was invited onto the show the same as every one else, and seems like a nice guy. if you want to spout the truth then spout the whole truth, and don't cherry pick for maximum offence.

Well at least we know the truth about Jimmy now....he's a nasty piece of work.
Actually that is a fair point. I'd never heard of Jimmy, Foggy, Kendra or Nadia and had very much heard of Jake so why is he considered fair game to put down as not being deserving

Anyway Jimmy probably just handed Jake the win with this particular put down so Ha Ha Ha
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Old 30-11-2014, 18:10
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Jake on occasion has said he doesn't think he's famous. He didn't need Jimmy to wind him up like that. If Jake had been going round explaining how he's a big deal, then fair. But he's been open about how lucky he is.
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Old 30-11-2014, 18:15
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Some will say what Jimmy did was just banter but was he just disguising it to make a point to Jake that many people up and down the land will be saying and that is why is he in the jungle?

Going by the reaction of Jake, the truth did hurt.
"Truth hurts" is one of those meaningless sayings.

I'm sure we could all tear apart anyone we know by picking on and hammering home their weaknesses to their face.

Think of all your failings and all the things you've done wrong and imagine someone shouting them in your face.

And it's not really "the truth" is it? What about all the good things that someone like Jake has achieved and his positive personality traits.
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Old 30-11-2014, 18:20
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Jimmy had every right to speak the truth. Should a Doctor hide the test results from a patient because 'the truth hurts'?
That is the worst comparison in the world. A doctor tells a patient the result of tests in the assumption that the patient wants to know and can plan his or her life accordingly.

That doesn't mean that anyone has the right to hurl abuse at anyone they want to on the grounds that it is 'the truth'. I seriously hope you don't go through life telling people that their new wife is hideous, their granddaughter's ballet performance is contemptible, the christmas present they have lovingly hand-made is dreadful, and really you would rather they died quickly because you are hoping to inherit from them, on the grounds that you see all these things as 'the truth' that you have 'every right to speak'.

Welcome to the concepts of courtesy and kindness.
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Old 30-11-2014, 18:25
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That is the worst comparison in the world. A doctor tells a patient the result of tests in the assumption that the patient wants to know and can plan his or her life accordingly.

That doesn't mean that anyone has the right to hurl abuse at anyone they want to on the grounds that it is 'the truth'. I seriously hope you don't go through life telling people that their new wife is hideous, their granddaughter's ballet performance is contemptible, the christmas present they have lovingly hand-made is dreadful, and really you would rather they died quickly because you are hoping to inherit from them, on the grounds that you see all these things as 'the truth' that you have 'every right to speak'.

Welcome to the concepts of courtesy and kindness.
Exactly.

Go round telling everyone "the truth" - and only negative truths - and see if it's appreciated.
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Old 30-11-2014, 18:27
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I hate the phrase 'truth hurts' too. I wouldn't go up to someone with a skin condition, insult them and then when they get offended..."well truth hurts".
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Old 30-11-2014, 18:28
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Jake is a decent guy, if ITV offered you £100k to go to the jungle for a couple of weeks, you'd take it.

In my opinion its the ITV producers who have messed up a bit. A bit desperate, surely they could have got someone more famous!
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Old 30-11-2014, 18:31
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Jake is a decent guy, if ITV offered you £100k to go to the jungle for a couple of weeks, you'd take it.

In my opinion its the ITV producers who have messed up a bit. A bit desperate, surely they could have got someone more famous!
I wouldn't. I suspect plenty more wouldn't either.
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Old 30-11-2014, 18:43
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Why are you bringing Doctors into this?
I'm not. It wasn't me who brought doctors into it.
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Old 30-11-2014, 18:44
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That is the worst comparison in the world. A doctor tells a patient the result of tests in the assumption that the patient wants to know and can plan his or her life accordingly.

That doesn't mean that anyone has the right to hurl abuse at anyone they want to on the grounds that it is 'the truth'. I seriously hope you don't go through life telling people that their new wife is hideous, their granddaughter's ballet performance is contemptible, the christmas present they have lovingly hand-made is dreadful, and really you would rather they died quickly because you are hoping to inherit from them, on the grounds that you see all these things as 'the truth' that you have 'every right to speak'.

Welcome to the concepts of courtesy and kindness.
Great post wonkey! Even if you do feel compelled to tell the unvarnished truth, there are ways of phrasing these things.
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Old 30-11-2014, 18:47
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Why are you bringing Doctors into this?
Reading back through the thread, I see it was actually you.
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Old 30-11-2014, 18:48
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I'm not. It wasn't me who brought doctors into it.
Don't worry, it was Neppy who first mentioned doctors and now he can't remember doing so.

The Special Brew must have kicked in.
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Old 30-11-2014, 18:51
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I wouldn't. I suspect plenty more wouldn't either.
Really? Maybe not 'plenty'. That money is a lot of money especially for those who need it. Even if your scared of insects, 100k would be worth it if you don't have a very serious phobia.
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Old 30-11-2014, 18:52
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Really? Maybe not 'plenty'. That money is a lot of money especially for those who need it. Even if your scared of insects, 100k would be worth it if you don't have a very serious phobia.
I expect it's not just about how famous someone is, but what sort of personality they are. Or how they look with their top off or in a bikini.
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Old 30-11-2014, 18:53
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Really? Maybe not 'plenty'. That money is a lot of money especially for those who need it. Even if your scared of insects, 100k would be worth it if you don't have a very serious phobia.
I have an allergy to any bites or stings from insects, a wasp sting on my hand was close to being an amputation. One day someone in there is going to have a very bad reaction. (Like Jimmy last night).
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Old 30-11-2014, 19:05
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Although it was at the expense of Jake. Jake has many jungle mates in there and will get over it soon enough, whereas it is Jimmy's undoing, so maybe in the long run a good thing as it may have diminished Jimmy's chances now his colours are showing.
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Old 30-11-2014, 19:05
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Don't worry, it was Neppy who first mentioned doctors and now he can't remember doing so.

The Special Brew must have kicked in.
I was comparing apples to apples, not apples to pears.
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Old 30-11-2014, 19:08
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I wouldn't. I suspect plenty more wouldn't either.
I wouldn't either. I can't imagine anything worse than low rent fame.
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Old 30-11-2014, 19:16
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I wouldn't either. I can't imagine anything worse than low rent fame.
Buerky must have a lot more than he is ever going to spend in his lifetime, some of it makes no sense to me at all. Currie must be loaded. People like Nadia might need the cash and a boost in the popularity stakes and Jimmy probably needs to pay off debts.

They should do it on a no win no fee basis.
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Old 30-11-2014, 19:53
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Exactly. Anyway as Jake had already said, he did not know why he was here. He'd only sung a few songs on X factor. So why did Jimmy say what he did, jealousy and envy. It was not a way to endear himself to the public, a complete turn-off. I think Jake is Jimmy's main competitor in the betting stakes at the moment, I do not think his actions were wise.
I have saw this mentioned a few times. Why would an ex Premier league footballer be jealous of some one who got voted out of the x factor and a nobody as a singer?

Think it through a bit more.
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