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To be fair, Jake himself said he didn't know how he was in there. He doesn't see himself as a celeb but he slotted into the group as if he belonged there and good on him for doing that. I think Jimmy's comments were extremely nasty and Jake was visibly hurt by them. Jimmy sees himself as a celebrity but to be honest I'd never heard of Jimmy, whereas I'd heard of Jake so, to me, Jake is more famous than Jimmy.
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It's irrelevant whether what Jimmy said was truthful or not. I think most of us would probably agree that it was.
But was it necessary? No I don't think it was. The intent and motivation behind what Jimmy did is what is under scrutiny here, not whether he was telling the truth. I'm sick of it on these reality shows where contestants are always defended because 'They're just being honest' or 'They're just saying how it is' or 'They're only saying what everyone is thinking'. That does not take into account any malicious intent behind 'just being honest'. |
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So, what is the truth. that Jake is known by millions, was invited onto the show the same as every one else, and seems like a nice guy. if you want to spout the truth then spout the whole truth, and don't cherry pick for maximum offence.
Well at least we know the truth about Jimmy now....he's a nasty piece of work. |
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The truth hurt them both and they both got nasty
No surprise the vast majority of viewers are sticking up for the young good looking slightly effeminate one though |
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The truth hurt them both and they both got nasty
No surprise the vast majority of viewers are sticking up for the young good looking slightly effeminate one though ) effeminate ![]()
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So, what is the truth. that Jake is known by millions, was invited onto the show the same as every one else, and seems like a nice guy. if you want to spout the truth then spout the whole truth, and don't cherry pick for maximum offence.
Well at least we know the truth about Jimmy now....he's a nasty piece of work. ![]() Anyway Jimmy probably just handed Jake the win with this particular put down so Ha Ha Ha
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Jake on occasion has said he doesn't think he's famous. He didn't need Jimmy to wind him up like that. If Jake had been going round explaining how he's a big deal, then fair. But he's been open about how lucky he is.
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Some will say what Jimmy did was just banter but was he just disguising it to make a point to Jake that many people up and down the land will be saying and that is why is he in the jungle?
Going by the reaction of Jake, the truth did hurt. I'm sure we could all tear apart anyone we know by picking on and hammering home their weaknesses to their face. Think of all your failings and all the things you've done wrong and imagine someone shouting them in your face. And it's not really "the truth" is it? What about all the good things that someone like Jake has achieved and his positive personality traits. |
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Jimmy had every right to speak the truth. Should a Doctor hide the test results from a patient because 'the truth hurts'?
That doesn't mean that anyone has the right to hurl abuse at anyone they want to on the grounds that it is 'the truth'. I seriously hope you don't go through life telling people that their new wife is hideous, their granddaughter's ballet performance is contemptible, the christmas present they have lovingly hand-made is dreadful, and really you would rather they died quickly because you are hoping to inherit from them, on the grounds that you see all these things as 'the truth' that you have 'every right to speak'. Welcome to the concepts of courtesy and kindness. |
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That is the worst comparison in the world. A doctor tells a patient the result of tests in the assumption that the patient wants to know and can plan his or her life accordingly.
That doesn't mean that anyone has the right to hurl abuse at anyone they want to on the grounds that it is 'the truth'. I seriously hope you don't go through life telling people that their new wife is hideous, their granddaughter's ballet performance is contemptible, the christmas present they have lovingly hand-made is dreadful, and really you would rather they died quickly because you are hoping to inherit from them, on the grounds that you see all these things as 'the truth' that you have 'every right to speak'. Welcome to the concepts of courtesy and kindness. Go round telling everyone "the truth" - and only negative truths - and see if it's appreciated. |
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I hate the phrase 'truth hurts' too. I wouldn't go up to someone with a skin condition, insult them and then when they get offended..."well truth hurts".
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Jake is a decent guy, if ITV offered you £100k to go to the jungle for a couple of weeks, you'd take it.
In my opinion its the ITV producers who have messed up a bit. A bit desperate, surely they could have got someone more famous! |
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Jake is a decent guy, if ITV offered you £100k to go to the jungle for a couple of weeks, you'd take it.
In my opinion its the ITV producers who have messed up a bit. A bit desperate, surely they could have got someone more famous! |
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Why are you bringing Doctors into this?
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That is the worst comparison in the world. A doctor tells a patient the result of tests in the assumption that the patient wants to know and can plan his or her life accordingly.
That doesn't mean that anyone has the right to hurl abuse at anyone they want to on the grounds that it is 'the truth'. I seriously hope you don't go through life telling people that their new wife is hideous, their granddaughter's ballet performance is contemptible, the christmas present they have lovingly hand-made is dreadful, and really you would rather they died quickly because you are hoping to inherit from them, on the grounds that you see all these things as 'the truth' that you have 'every right to speak'. Welcome to the concepts of courtesy and kindness. Even if you do feel compelled to tell the unvarnished truth, there are ways of phrasing these things.
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Why are you bringing Doctors into this?
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I'm not. It wasn't me who brought doctors into it.
The Special Brew must have kicked in. |
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I wouldn't. I suspect plenty more wouldn't either.
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Really? Maybe not 'plenty'. That money is a lot of money especially for those who need it. Even if your scared of insects, 100k would be worth it if you don't have a very serious phobia.
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Really? Maybe not 'plenty'. That money is a lot of money especially for those who need it. Even if your scared of insects, 100k would be worth it if you don't have a very serious phobia.
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Although it was at the expense of Jake. Jake has many jungle mates in there and will get over it soon enough, whereas it is Jimmy's undoing, so maybe in the long run a good thing
as it may have diminished Jimmy's chances now his colours are showing.
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Don't worry, it was Neppy who first mentioned doctors and now he can't remember doing so.
The Special Brew must have kicked in.
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I wouldn't. I suspect plenty more wouldn't either.
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I wouldn't either. I can't imagine anything worse than low rent fame.
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Exactly. Anyway as Jake had already said, he did not know why he was here. He'd only sung a few songs on X factor. So why did Jimmy say what he did, jealousy and envy. It was not a way to endear himself to the public, a complete turn-off. I think Jake is Jimmy's main competitor in the betting stakes at the moment, I do not think his actions were wise.
Think it through a bit more. |
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Even if you do feel compelled to tell the unvarnished truth, there are ways of phrasing these things.