Whether or not it is banter is not really the point - a lot of people didn't like what they saw - simple. Doesn't matter what it's called.
I bet some people are embarrassed now.
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Originally Posted by pork.pie:
“Whether he 'bullied' Jake or not is open to debate. The fact remains that to go at someone like that who you hardly know isn't on. How was Jake to know how Jimmy meant it, given that he had no previous to base it on. Jimmy is a tool... and a broken one at that!
By the way, I am no fan of Jake's, he's trying too hard, and I'm not sure that he even belongs on the show.”
“Whether he 'bullied' Jake or not is open to debate. The fact remains that to go at someone like that who you hardly know isn't on. How was Jake to know how Jimmy meant it, given that he had no previous to base it on. Jimmy is a tool... and a broken one at that!
By the way, I am no fan of Jake's, he's trying too hard, and I'm not sure that he even belongs on the show.”
Why not? What sets him apart from anyone else in there? I'd never heard of Kendra, Foggy, Jimmy or Nadia before, but no one's saying they shouldn't be there.
banter or no banter Jimmy was out of order - he was very nasty to Jake and I am pleased he was first out.
Originally Posted by ForGodsSake:
“Although they'll never admit it.
Jimmy wanting Fog or jake to win.
He bullied him though ??
yeah right !”
“Although they'll never admit it.
Jimmy wanting Fog or jake to win.
He bullied him though ??
yeah right !”
Bit of a delayed reaction about Jake though.
As if he was prompted from the wings maybe ?
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“Whether or not it is banter is not really the point - a lot of people didn't like what they saw - simple. Doesn't matter what it's called.”
“Whether or not it is banter is not really the point - a lot of people didn't like what they saw - simple. Doesn't matter what it's called.”
Exactly.
Originally Posted by Reality Sucks:
“Why not? What sets him apart from anyone else in there? I'd never heard of Kendra, Foggy, Jimmy or Nadia before, but no one's saying they shouldn't be there.”
“Why not? What sets him apart from anyone else in there? I'd never heard of Kendra, Foggy, Jimmy or Nadia before, but no one's saying they shouldn't be there.”
I just think that failing in a current reality show hardly qualifies you as a celebrity. Whether we have heard of them or not, the others have all had careers beyond a few episodes of a singing competition. Perhaps I'd have felt differently if had been next year, after having time to gain more exposure. I guess I have a real problem with the idea of instant celebrity, TOWIE has made the idea seem pretty offensive.
Originally Posted by holidaynumpty:
“Bit of a delayed reaction about Jake though.
As if he was prompted from the wings maybe ?”
“Bit of a delayed reaction about Jake though.
As if he was prompted from the wings maybe ?”
what, about 2 seconds ?
lol
If you want to do well on this show the least you need to do is throw yourself into tasks. Jimmy was all mouth and no do.
Originally Posted by floppydog:
“I don't care about the 'banter' just didn't like him!”
“I don't care about the 'banter' just didn't like him!”
Exactly. That Norman Wisdom act was so very, very dull. Thrilled he's gone
Originally Posted by pork.pie:
“I just think that failing in a current reality show hardly qualifies you as a celebrity. Whether we have heard of them or not, the others have all had careers beyond a few episodes of a singing competition. Perhaps I'd have felt differently if had been next year, after having time to gain more exposure. I guess I have a real problem with the idea of instant celebrity, TOWIE has made the idea seem pretty offensive.”
“I just think that failing in a current reality show hardly qualifies you as a celebrity. Whether we have heard of them or not, the others have all had careers beyond a few episodes of a singing competition. Perhaps I'd have felt differently if had been next year, after having time to gain more exposure. I guess I have a real problem with the idea of instant celebrity, TOWIE has made the idea seem pretty offensive.”
They never used to call talent shows reality shows until recently. The reason being that you had to have a certain amount of talent to get through and still do, apart from the obvious joke acts.
However, I couldn't be bothered to nitpick. I haven't heard of half of them in there and I judge them purely on who they are in the jungle.
Originally Posted by bionicfrank:
“Jimmy can dress it up as he wants, he's full of it and I'm glad he's gone. Even if it was 'banter' at best he had no social awareness of the impact his 'banter' had on other people. He killed his chances of winning on the weekend with his spiteful, vindictive behaviour and he only has himself to blame. The fact that he went and not tinchy, who has been invisible from the off, tells you all you need to know.”
“Jimmy can dress it up as he wants, he's full of it and I'm glad he's gone. Even if it was 'banter' at best he had no social awareness of the impact his 'banter' had on other people. He killed his chances of winning on the weekend with his spiteful, vindictive behaviour and he only has himself to blame. The fact that he went and not tinchy, who has been invisible from the off, tells you all you need to know.”
Just to point out, he does have awareness.
He said he wouldn't push it that far with Michael, for instance. He said foggy and jake could take it. He knows their relationship better than we do so perhaps he's right and jake can take it. Perhaps he's wrong and it did touch a nerve with jake. Either way jake looks to have moved on pretty quickly so u don't think it seriously affected him therefore for me it's not bullying.
Originally Posted by ForGodsSake:
“what, about 2 seconds ?
lol”
“what, about 2 seconds ?
lol”
More than that imo but I didn't have the stopwatch running.
But his "best bits" just emphasised why I disliked him so much.
Originally Posted by holidaynumpty:
“More than that imo but I didn't have the stopwatch running.
But his "best bits" just emphasised why I disliked him so much.”
“More than that imo but I didn't have the stopwatch running.
But his "best bits" just emphasised why I disliked him so much.”
Okay maybe 3 seconds then.
That's okay, that's your prerogative to like who you wish.
Originally Posted by kev3010:
“Indeed a lot of people are feeling very embarassed, and lighter in their wallets. They bet big money on him to win, He was actually odds-on with some bookies.
#worstfavinhistory”
“Indeed a lot of people are feeling very embarassed, and lighter in their wallets. They bet big money on him to win, He was actually odds-on with some bookies.
#worstfavinhistory”
This ^^
This has to be the biggest fall from grace for a favourite surely!
Originally Posted by Reality Sucks:
“They never used to call talent shows reality shows until recently. The reason being that you had to have a certain amount of talent to get through and still do, apart from the obvious joke acts.
However, I couldn't be bothered to nitpick. I haven't heard of half of them in there and I judge them purely on who they are in the jungle.”
“They never used to call talent shows reality shows until recently. The reason being that you had to have a certain amount of talent to get through and still do, apart from the obvious joke acts.
However, I couldn't be bothered to nitpick. I haven't heard of half of them in there and I judge them purely on who they are in the jungle.”
I agree with judging people on who they are on the show, but for me it's almost like when Big Brother put that young girl (forget her name) in with the celebs. I know he had a bot of time on XF first, but a celebrity? Really! And, yes, I also agree that this show is loose with the term 'celebrity' in a lot of cases, but oh well... it's just how I see it, and nowhere on my opinion does it say that I'm right, it's just how I see things.
Originally Posted by vald:
“If you want to do well on this show the least you need to do is throw yourself into tasks. Jimmy was all mouth and no do.”
“If you want to do well on this show the least you need to do is throw yourself into tasks. Jimmy was all mouth and no do.”
all mouth and soiled trousers
Originally Posted by kev3010:
“Indeed a lot of people are feeling very embarassed, and lighter in their wallets. They bet big money on him to win, He was actually odds-on with some bookies.
#worstfavinhistory”
“Indeed a lot of people are feeling very embarassed, and lighter in their wallets. They bet big money on him to win, He was actually odds-on with some bookies.
#worstfavinhistory”
Hahahahaha!
I'm laughing my arse off at this. He was odds-on favourite with MOST bookies! I'd love to know how much people lost on him or how big they lost!
#worstfavinhistory - damn right! Just brilliant!
Totally unfunny man. Coward. Big mouth. The nasty edge was just the icing on the cake. Can't have many fans or he'd still be there.
Originally Posted by foxyred:
“Oh come on, it was visibly obvious that Jake was very uncomfortable about what Jimmy was saying to him, he was embarrased especially when he was being called into question about what he's doing there, what skill does he have etc. Yeah some might say he shouldn't be on the show but it's not up to us or Jimmy to judge, the producers obviously thought he should be and he is doing really well on there winning most of the trials. I wouldn't be surprised if he did win and it would be a well deserved win too
”
“Oh come on, it was visibly obvious that Jake was very uncomfortable about what Jimmy was saying to him, he was embarrased especially when he was being called into question about what he's doing there, what skill does he have etc. Yeah some might say he shouldn't be on the show but it's not up to us or Jimmy to judge, the producers obviously thought he should be and he is doing really well on there winning most of the trials. I wouldn't be surprised if he did win and it would be a well deserved win too
”
Well said foxyred. Jimmy was an embarrassment. To himself and others. That's why he had a go at Jake. He's nothing but a big girl. He screamed louder than Kendra even.
Originally Posted by bbnutnut:
“Jimmy has always liked Foggy and his wanting Jake to win is just damage limitation. He knows he messed up.”
“Jimmy has always liked Foggy and his wanting Jake to win is just damage limitation. He knows he messed up.”
Yes, I thought that, definitely. They had just shown him being unkind to Jake, then asked him who he wanted to win, and of course he said Foggy. Then you could see a cog in his brain turning, and he added, "or Jake".
I don't think he is naturally a nasty person, but he was obviously out to get at Jake in that conversation, and it is silly for people to pretend otherwise. That kind of pointed insult is something that you might JUST get away with if you were with someone you have known for years and have a long tradition of wind-ups with. He knew within five minutes of the conversation that he had gone too far.
Originally Posted by ForGodsSake:
“I have.
jake looks upset at Jimmy going too.”
“I have.
jake looks upset at Jimmy going too.”
I am 100% certain that he would have looked upset whoever had gone. Most of them do.
Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“Yes, I thought that, definitely. They had just shown him being unkind to Jake, then asked him who he wanted to win, and of course he said Foggy. Then you could see a cog in his brain turning, and he added, "or Jake".
I don't think he is naturally a nasty person, but he was obviously out to get at Jake in that conversation, and it is silly for people to pretend otherwise. That kind of pointed insult is something that you might JUST get away with if you were with someone you have known for years and have a long tradition of wind-ups with. He knew within five minutes of the conversation that he had gone too far.
I am 100% certain that he would have looked upset whoever had gone. Most of them do.”
“Yes, I thought that, definitely. They had just shown him being unkind to Jake, then asked him who he wanted to win, and of course he said Foggy. Then you could see a cog in his brain turning, and he added, "or Jake".
I don't think he is naturally a nasty person, but he was obviously out to get at Jake in that conversation, and it is silly for people to pretend otherwise. That kind of pointed insult is something that you might JUST get away with if you were with someone you have known for years and have a long tradition of wind-ups with. He knew within five minutes of the conversation that he had gone too far.
I am 100% certain that he would have looked upset whoever had gone. Most of them do.”
I doubt he would if he'd been "bullied" by Jimmy.
Originally Posted by H.J.Simpson:
“It WAS banter”
“It WAS banter”
Goodness me Banter now seems to be the excuse word for any bad behaviour .
Originally Posted by ForGodsSake:
“I doubt he would if he'd been "bullied" by Jimmy.”
“I doubt he would if he'd been "bullied" by Jimmy.”
I think the dynamic is more complicated than that. They all obviously thought Jimmy was going to win. Because of his assumed public popularity, he was on a very long lead in the camp, with a high status. Campmates are not normally infinitely tolerant of someone bellowing at them to wake up every morning while bashing pan lids together. Jake saw himself as having a considerably lower status because he is not an established celebrity at all, and has almost nothing in the way of celebrity anecdotes to share when the others start swapping them, as we all know they do, probably ad nauseam.
The response of a beta male when under attack by an alpha male is often to laugh or shrug it off, in the hope of avoiding further shit. If Jake had started making very pointed and unkind comments to Jimmy, I don't think Jimmy would have shrugged it off for an instant: it would have been like a cub having a go at the lion who owns the pride.
Over now. Being evicted first has reduced Jimmy's status, and Jake can start to have a bit of a swagger round the camp. They might even start to connect Jimmy's early demise with that conversation with Jake, in which case Jake will be free to swagger even more.
Originally Posted by Paace:
“Goodness me Banter now seems to be the excuse word for any bad behaviour .”
“Goodness me Banter now seems to be the excuse word for any bad behaviour .”
It certainly wasn't acceptable banter, but I'm not sure that it was bullying either. I think both words are equally overused by people trying to swing an argument one way or t'other. Jimmy was acting inappropriately and like a prize plum, but I doubt that Jake felt bullied. I think it's more likely that he simply wondered what the hell Jimmy was chuntering on about, like most of the rest of us. His rant was pretty confusing, one minute it seemed like a bit of fun, then it would twist, then back again. I'm guessing he might have felt a tad uncomfortable being told some truths, but bullied? Not so sure.
It was nasty whichever way you choose to cut it, and it's great that the yob has gone.
BOI BOI!
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