I think it's quite clear that the demograph for IACGMOH is not the same a ALOTO - Jimmy has gone - the viewers didn't like him and his banter. We all know banter exists - IMO it's just a very lazy attempt at humour - trying to make yourself look big and clever at someone else's expense.

I'm not into the Womens Guild - I just don't particularly want to see people being spiteful (under the guise of humour) - it would appear a lot of viewers agree with me.

You stick to your own shows if you like - I'll stick with the majority who watch IACGMOH. I think you'll find it's you that's being irrelevant( or clueless) not me.

Hats off to you Maggie for defending yourself, despite apparently being a desperate female under the influence of Pinot Grigio. Gosh. Well done you.
Banter is, in my view, a rite of passage for males. Like it or not, it exists. Sometimes it's ugly. I've seen men close to me almost crushed by it but I can't do anything because I'm a woman and me standing up for them would be tantamount to cutting off the balls that have just been kicked. If you're going to engage, you have to be prepared. IMO Jimmy is a prat. His 'banter' is not smart enough for me, personally. But I did laugh when Jake called him Mr Burns for some reason. So yeah, I don't think Jake was 'bullied'. Just that Jimmy's banter was crap. He deserved to be voted off for it.

I don't think that what he did should be classed as bullying, but he definitely crossed a line. He was extremely cruel. And that's what turned the voters off. And rightly so, IMO.

If he was my father/brother/son/husband, I'd be ashamed to hear him talking to anyone, even another "bloke" that way.

For what it's worth, and not wishing to set Maggie off again, I have seen ALOTO and feel the "banter" on view in that show, is verbal sparring, sometimes of an insulting and personal nature between lads who know what they are getting themselves into. It's what they're paid to do, they are on an equal footing in the show and they give as good as they get. All good fun - not everyone's cup of tea - but not what we saw in the jungle.

Jimmy Bullard was out of control in his attack on Jake. Not funny in the least, just the pathetic ravings of a not very bright has been. Maybe you could understand it if JImmy had been bringing in the stars and Jake had failed in the tasks, but Jimmy Bullard has been the weakest when faced by the adversity of the trials by far. What a sad disappointment he is. Maybe his feelings of inadequacy led to the assault on Jake, but bullying or banter it was totally unacceptable.

I don't think anyone has a need to be embarrassed, I personally didn't think it was bullying but thats just my perception. I did think it was disgusting behaviour from an adult and however Jimmy tried to dress it up as banter, it clearly wasn't, he genuinely lost his temper at being compared with an old man because he thinks so highly of himself and convincing Jake that it was all banter is another form of manipulation.

Well said

IMHO I think there's a bit of a difference between 'banter' among friends or team mates in the pub on a Saturday night or in a dressing room and 'banter' with someone you've only known a few days on a TV programme with a few million viewers.

Just a small point - I'd heard of Jake as I reluctantly watch XF - even though I happily watch football I'd never heard of Jimmy Bullard....

No embarrassment here, just sheer delight that an overpowering, overbearing attention seeker got his just desserts and went out first. Karma or what!

He may not fit the textbook definition of "bully" but Jimmy is a nasty man who could dish it out but could not take it. No loss whatsoever.

Was it bullying? No, I don't think so.

Was it plain nastiness? Yes, definitely.

Was it provoked? Not really. Jake reported something he obviously found amusing - that Vicki had mistaken Jimmy for Michael - and jokingly said something about similar bodytypes. This clearly hit a raw nerve for Jimmy, who struck back with a disproportionate and deliberate attack on what he knew to be Jake's weakpoint, ie that Jake questioned his own right to be classed as a celebrity and be in the jungle. In the face of the onslaught from Jimmy, Jake retaliated with the Mr Burns remark, but when watching that seemed to me to be a nervous attempt to lighten the tone of the whole thing, because Jimmy was getting quite serious about it all.

So, some friendly joshing that inadvertently played on what would seem to be an insecurity of Jimmy, vs a vitriolic tirade about a known insecurity of Jake. Couple that with Jimmy's showboating and attention-seeking behaviour, add in his wimpishness at the trials and habit of criticising the attempts of others, and it's no wonder that he didn't have strong enough support to keep him in.

Exactly! I thought banter was meant to be funny. I couldn't see anyone laughing...

How tragic that your only way of fighting your corner is to jeer at someone for not watching a completely different programme. Presumably the people on your favourite show are of equal status and happy to consent to the 'bantering' that the show includes? So it bears no relation to what we saw on IAC, which was an older, richer, more successful man jeering at a younger, less confident man for his lack of success.

Exactly. Jimmy's fans seem to be clinging to the word 'bullying' like a lifebelt, because the debate about its appropriateness deflects from the real issue, which was that Jimmy undoubtedly meant to hurt Jake, hitting him repeatedly where he knew him to be least confident. I doubt whether he ever liked Jake being there: his 'story' was bromance with Foggy, not having to deal with a much younger, better looking man who liked flirting with the pretty girls.

Very well said. Couldn't agree more.

In fairness, a lot in this thread is just drunken banter.

JImmy's fans hanging on to the banter part of this is deflecting from the fact that Jimmy was hopeless at the trials and a major over exposed irritant to many viewers.

Is that not what this show is about?

Even Kendra beat him in the tomb trial.

He knew what IAC was all about before he entered and only did so for the fee and an easy as possible ride, as far as I'm concerned. He is probably also only known to football fans in the main.

Like many before him.

So he's first out and that's as it should be.

Cowards never go far in this show.

Didn't Jake start the whole sorry episode ?

Not really - he just repeated what one of the girls had said - that she mistook Jimmy for Michael.

So, had he not repeated it, it wouldnt have happened ?

The definitive explanation, right there.

Jimmy's response was disproportionate, that's all. I don't know why you find this simple concept so hard to grasp.

You sound like a 5-year old wailing "BUT HE STARTED IT" over and over.

Jake himself, right from the start, admitted he didn't know what he was doing in the jungle. On another occasion he said (words to the effect) he wasn't even a good singer, as if he was, he wouldn't be in the jungle...... So there was a certain vulnerability there, it's not as if he tried to play a big "I Am..." sort of character. So whether Jim B's rant was banter or not is irrelevant. He picked on the most vulnerable member of camp and was just plain nasty.

But I don't really believe it was that alone that got him kicked out. People (I think) were fed up with his continuous antics (including his groping and kissing Carl) until it was no longer IAC.... but the JB Show. Added to that his cowardly dealing in the first trial with Mel, then in the shed with Foggy, and ending with him being the only one to give up in the "tomb", and it was bye bye JB. It seems only those on the ITV2 show didn't understand why!

Banter is two way, I have a pop at you and then i let you come back at me and we learn where each others lines lye. But that didn't happen, not 100% happy with the use of the word "bullied" but it was sertainly a harsh verbal attack. Just wish Jake had came back with something like. ..im an aspiring singer who's trying to carve a career out of this madness, it's certainly better than some has-been footballer desperately trying to stay in the public eye for god knows what reason?

The only ones who should be embarrassed are those who think this charmless oik deserved to stay over any of the other 3 up for eviction.

A a retired relatively unknown football player, he isn't so much of a "has been" as a "never was". He's one of those who think they are the life and soul of every party and the cool popular kid. In fact these are exactly the type of people who are classic bullies - surrounded by a little gang of sycophants who hang on their every word and pick on people who "aren't their sort"

I'd heard of Jake as I watch the X Factor, but had never heard of Jimmy as I have zero interest in low level football, and even less in low level players, so by Jimmy's own definition, Jake is (at the moment) actually far more well known than he is, and he clearly isn't struggling to earn a living although he obviously was trying to get into the music business.

Jimmy's main career and chance at fame is behind him - Jake has everything to play for, and as far as he's concerned this could be the platform for a lot more opportunities for him.... He's young, good looking, and fit, three things that Jimmy isn't and I've seen no sign of the arrogance others say he's displayed.... He's quite clearly star struck with his company in the jungle!

Jimmys behaviour was unacceptable, and the producers showed a HUGE miscalculation in showing that clip on the main show...... It was clearly meant to enhance Jimmy's popularity, but backfired massively when the voters turned off him in their droves.

I'm surprised that he actually went over Tinchy, but I am totally glad to see the back of him, and, I'm sure the other campers aren't too upset he's gone either.

Now to lose the other irritant, Kendra and we can watch a good show

I wasn't aware that the Premier League was low level football ??

What is this world coming too , people just don't understand banter, it sickens me why everything has to be so politically correct. We are living in a world of idiotic do gooder morons.

Pointless even debating on this type of forum anymore, some people have never lived, they wouldn't even to begin the meaning of words like bully or racist or sexist, they just jump on the PC bandwagon.

Dont be so condescending.
Of course I understand...now why cant you understand the chain of events ?

Jake says something - banter
Jimmy responds- bullying.

Utter twaddle.