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Samsung Galaxy S6 a radical redesign
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Aetnla
19-01-2015
Originally Posted by Chrysalis:
“One thing to comment on is the pixel density.

The higher resolutions seem pointless, when I got my S5 I was hoping and assuming the text still wouldnt be huge but it is, they just scale it up. So I see no visual quality difference between my S3 and S5 even tho the S5 has a much higher resolution.”

I fully agree that anything above 1080p is pointless for a smartphone. I think resolutions above 1080p are a complete waste of power so don't see the point.
jonmorris
19-01-2015
I can definitely see the difference between an S3 and S5, but there's not much difference between an S5 and, say, LG's G3.

You will see the differences with some images and video, but for the most part those extra pixels just create more drain on the GPU and battery.

I guess for a screen of 7 inches and above (i.e. a tablet) then it's worth it. Otherwise full/1080p is fine.

720p is acceptable for sub 5-inch screens too, but I can see we'll get more full-HD displays on smaller displays as time goes on simply to keep playing the numbers game.

It's obvious that Samsung will have the same resolution as the G3, although there are rumours that LG might in fact go back to 1080p (but I somehow doubt it, as it's not about whether you need it or not on a flagship).
Chrysalis
20-01-2015
Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“Higher resolution is quite fantastic.

I was reading a cycling magazine the other day on my 720p 17" laptop and was having to zoom in to read it.
Later I switched to my tiny in comparison 9" Nook HD+ and could read things easily without zooming on its 1080p screen.

Smartphones are used closer to the eyes so even there it is likely it would better the 720p 17" laptop.”

you do realise the DPI on modern phones is higher than the human eye can distinguish?

Raising resolution on phones is getting silly and its far from innovative, the issue you had with the laptop may have been due to bad text rendering. But wasnt to do with resolution.
Chrysalis
20-01-2015
Originally Posted by jonmorris:
“I can definitely see the difference between an S3 and S5, but there's not much difference between an S5 and, say, LG's G3.

You will see the differences with some images and video, but for the most part those extra pixels just create more drain on the GPU and battery.

I guess for a screen of 7 inches and above (i.e. a tablet) then it's worth it. Otherwise full/1080p is fine.

720p is acceptable for sub 5-inch screens too, but I can see we'll get more full-HD displays on smaller displays as time goes on simply to keep playing the numbers game.

It's obvious that Samsung will have the same resolution as the G3, although there are rumours that LG might in fact go back to 1080p (but I somehow doubt it, as it's not about whether you need it or not on a flagship).”

I own both phones and cant tell the difference to be honest.

What I find most interesting about the S6, is the 64bit CPU, 3 gig ram, and apparent optimised touchwiz. Although the latter may be a bad thing because in my opinion the touhwiz UI is now better than stock, stock has become too dumbed down and "simple".

Years ago stock android was about 10x as fast as touchwiz. Now it isnt.

My S5 feels faster than my oneplusone, both have very similiar cpu's and the oneplusone even has more ram.
alanwarwic
20-01-2015
Originally Posted by Chrysalis:
“you do realise the DPI on modern phones is higher than the human eye can distinguish?..”

Sounds like you have read from that reality distortion field

http://wolfcrow.com/blog/notes-by-dr...the-human-eye/

So science says 2190dpi yet a child with good eyes can see 4380 dpi. (is that calculated right or is it less/more than 4380 ?)
Achieving 20/20 (a 'below average adult') it is 876 ppi
And that is even forgetting colour depth which obviously can improve with ever more pixels.

Yes we can all get by with now cheap 1080p screens but I'm very accepting of better if the price is acceptable.
Anika Hanson
20-01-2015
Originally Posted by Chrysalis:
“I own both phones and cant tell the difference to be honest.

What I find most interesting about the S6, is the 64bit CPU, 3 gig ram, and apparent optimised touchwiz. Although the latter may be a bad thing because in my opinion the touhwiz UI is now better than stock, stock has become too dumbed down and "simple".

Years ago stock android was about 10x as fast as touchwiz. Now it isnt.

My S5 feels faster than my oneplusone, both have very similiar cpu's and the oneplusone even has more ram.”

I could tell the difference between the S3 and the S4 and then the S4 and the S5. I'm not too fussed about 64 bit processors. I think what we have now is sufficient. My galaxy tab pro has the equivalent of the snapdragon 800 which is about 18 months old now yet it never struggles. I don't think we have anything that can take advantage of a 64 bit processor at the moment. Apple devices have had it for 18 months and right now its wasted. Nothing takes advantage of the extra processing power.
jchamier
20-01-2015
Originally Posted by Anika Hanson:
“Nothing takes advantage of the extra processing power.”

You'd have thought so wouldn't you. Its all about the "race to sleep" to preserve battery life, especially if you video something at 1080p and then hit email and want to send a 720p version, the 64bit machines can do this much faster and more efficiently than a 32bit. There are other examples, but that's the best one.

Once core libraries and OS is updated, there is no reason for all mobile devices to not be 64bit, even those with 1GB RAM.

Oh and its nothing to do with using more RAM than 4gb, just ask those who ran Windows Server 2003 Enterprise Edition. (32bit OS with 16GB of RAM was easily possible).
Everything Goes
20-01-2015
Glass back and non removable battery are the latest rumours which should be taken with a large pinch of salt. Not likely but here is the link if you want a look.

http://www.neowin.net/news/samsung-g...ovable-battery
Chrysalis
21-01-2015
Originally Posted by Anika Hanson:
“I could tell the difference between the S3 and the S4 and then the S4 and the S5. I'm not too fussed about 64 bit processors. I think what we have now is sufficient. My galaxy tab pro has the equivalent of the snapdragon 800 which is about 18 months old now yet it never struggles. I don't think we have anything that can take advantage of a 64 bit processor at the moment. Apple devices have had it for 18 months and right now its wasted. Nothing takes advantage of the extra processing power.”

Of course nothing does because noone will develop for it when all cpus are 32bit, the hardware has to come before the software.
alanwarwic
21-01-2015
Originally Posted by Anika Hanson:
“... and right now its wasted. Nothing takes advantage of the extra processing power.”

There is none really. The tiny bit that is there is wasted on extra memory duplicating 32bit and 64 bit stuff in order to be software compatible.

64 bit arrives on Android next month but I'd steer clear. Though some manufacturers will cheat and still be 100% 32 bit on their 64bit chipset which will be better for a good while.
kidspud
21-01-2015
Originally Posted by Chrysalis:
“Of course nothing does because noone will develop for it when all cpus are 32bit, the hardware has to come before the software.”

In order to make comparisions on whether 64bit is a benefit, as you quite rightly say, you need the hardware and software available.

My experience is with the iLife and iWorks apps on the ipad and I've no doubt that 64bit has made a marked difference in the speed and usabliltiy of these apps. It would seem that online reviews would also agree with this.
Chrysalis
21-01-2015
64bit offers a number of advantages, I dont know them all but ones I can recall are.

Proper DEP protection, proper ASLR protection, some functions that have processing overhead on 32bit are cost free on 64bit, higher amount of allocated ram supported, significant extra kernel resources available.
Gigabit
21-01-2015
64 bit is objectively faster; whether you can notice the difference is another matter.
Anika Hanson
21-01-2015
Originally Posted by kidspud:
“In order to make comparisions on whether 64bit is a benefit, as you quite rightly say, you need the hardware and software available.

My experience is with the iLife and iWorks apps on the ipad and I've no doubt that 64bit has made a marked difference in the speed and usabliltiy of these apps. It would seem that online reviews would also agree with this.”

Well I have the iPhone 6 plus, iPad air and the iPad mini 3. All have 64 bit chipsets and I don't really see the need for it.
jchamier
21-01-2015
Originally Posted by Anika Hanson:
“Well I have the iPhone 6 plus, iPad air and the iPad mini 3. All have 64 bit chipsets and I don't really see the need for it.”

If you're using the device for basic internet communications, such as web, email, instant messaging, facebook, twitter etc, then no there is nothing in it.

However if you think there is more that can be done with a touch screen device, including video editing, word processing / DTP, manipulating very high resolution images (think X-rays) then yes, 64bit makes a significant difference.

In gaming there is a useful difference, but mostly games need top end graphics cards. The latest Apple kit seems to have some graphics that looks almost as good as PS4 / XBox One which is impressive (I'm not a gamer).
swordman
21-01-2015
Largely people belive what they need to it seems.
Anika Hanson
22-01-2015
Originally Posted by jchamier:
“If you're using the device for basic internet communications, such as web, email, instant messaging, facebook, twitter etc, then no there is nothing in it.

However if you think there is more that can be done with a touch screen device, including video editing, word processing / DTP, manipulating very high resolution images (think X-rays) then yes, 64bit makes a significant difference.

In gaming there is a useful difference, but mostly games need top end graphics cards. The latest Apple kit seems to have some graphics that looks almost as good as PS4 / XBox One which is impressive (I'm not a gamer).”

Well I'm not a heavy gamer. I only play games like angry birds which do not require 64 bit processors.

I suppose the right assessment is that I don't do anything which requires/makes use of a 64 bit processor.
old bill2
22-01-2015
This makes interesting reading.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonke...6-performance/
kidspud
22-01-2015
Originally Posted by old bill2:
“This makes interesting reading.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonke...6-performance/”

There has been a few articles on the overheating problem of the snapdragon. Not great news if you are trying to design/release your flagship device.
Chrysalis
22-01-2015
article claims exynos is rare, yet 2 previous flagships used exynos.
old bill2
23-01-2015
Sounds good if specs are correct.
http://www.inquisitr.com/1776712/sam...le-be-worried/
Everything Goes
26-01-2015
Still more rumours of no SD card and sealed battery. If that is true I won't be buying one!

http://www.androidpit.com/galaxy-s6-vs-galaxy-s4
swordman
26-01-2015
phones that are 32gb minimum and charge sensible amounts to upgrade ram, then no sd can be less painful. The lack of removal battery is harder to get around.

I think these two reasons have been a factor in Samsungs success, would be brave (or foolhardy) to dump them.
Everything Goes
26-01-2015
Originally Posted by swordman:
“phones that are 32gb minimum and charge sensible amounts to upgrade ram, then no sd can be less painful. The lack of removal battery is harder to get around.

I think these two reasons have been a factor in Samsungs success, would be brave (or foolhardy) to dump them.”

I agree. For me its a deal breaker. While not everyone will bother with such issues. Plenty of people are willing to pay silly money to Apple for extra storage. Maybe Samsung want to boost their profit margins. Samsung manufacture memory. There are a lot of phones that use sealed batteries like the HTC One (M8), Sony Xperia E3.
swordman
27-01-2015
LG g3 with these two features got me to buy one.
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