He said no such thing.

The whole point of that scene is to establish that no re-writing took place. 11 choosing to do something that he knows will result in 9 and 10's survivor guilt and pain for nothing because Gallifrey was never destroyed is what he considers "far worse" than rewriting his own personal time line so that he was never unhappy.

It's quite clear in the Day of the Doctor that events are running concurrently with the End of Time. While 'Day' is all going on for the general downstairs, 'Time' is all going on upstairs for Rassilon.

The general's line about the High Council's plans being "already failed" is a dismissive. He's saying that the plans are doomed to failure because they're rubbish, not that the failure has already occurred. It's no different to Scotty referring to Spock as "dead already" at the end of Star Trek 2, when he's quite clearly still alive.

I hope a future and better executive producer will one day show the fall out between the general and Rassilon. Rassilon's position is now untenable and the general is in a position to take some credit for Gallifrey avoiding destruction where Rassilon failed. So Rassilon probably needs to bump off the general and intimidate the High Council even more into supporting him, while the general needs to work out how to get around that gauntlet, depose Rassilon with the approval of the High Council (even if no one will openly support him before a successful deposition) and stick him back in the tomb.

Couldn't disagree more. Tennant's ending simply went out to depress us as much as possible, as though him leaving was a terrible thing happening to the show. Smith's ending at least reminded us that he ''always will be'' the Doctor, and that change in general is not necessarily a bad thing.

No. I didn't. What I was saying was that some people really hate RTD's writing and continually promote those feelings despite the fact he left 5 years ago. My description of Blink was a parody opinion - I think the episode is wonderfully written. I would have thought the sarcasm in the statement would have stood out.

That's what a forum like this is. People disagree and there's no denying that some will use that to 'assume' control of an argument. I repeat - Blink was a good episode, but others will disagree and describe it as self indulgent rubbish. They are firmly entitled to that opinion. But I didn't turn it into a RTD vs Moffat - that was your interpretation. And my point still stands about us wanting to move away from that very tiresome rivalvry. I liked The End Of Time - my opinion. I liked Blink - my opinion. I adored The Day Of The Doctor - my opinion.

Both have written brilliant stories and both have written extremely bad ones as well - my opinion.

I knew perfectly well that it was a parody comment. My point is they are entirely justified in commenting on RTD's writing and style in a thread about an RTD EPISODE.

Whether he left 5 days, months or years ago, this thread is about The End of Time therefore people will discuss that episode and how they feel about it.

You were the one who brought Moffat into it. There is no versus battle, just an opinion on the writing of an episode this thread is actually about.

The Complete Adventures Of The Doctor's 12th Incarnation

The Stolen Earth/Journey's End
The Next Doctor
Planet Of The Dead
The Wedding Of Sarah Jane Smith
The Waters Of Mars
The Day Of The Doctor
The End Of Time

I think you'll find that's the incomplete adventures of the Doctor's 11th incarnation. He healed himself using regeneration energy but didn't actually regenerate. The bulk of the energy was syphoned off to ultimately create the 12th incarnation - who promptly copped off with Rose in a parallel universe and was never seen again.

Actually other people did. And I am going to leave it there.

Then I shall leave you with this; the first post to mention the name "Moffat" is post 8, made by yourself.

Erm .... I think I won't

There were two incarnations with the same face that were both known as "The Tenth Doctor" ..... the pre-metacrisis 11th incarnation and the post-metacrisis 12th incarnation ...... by The Time Of The Doctor he had regenerated 12 times, There had been 13 of him, as explained by the Eleventh Doctor in that story.

The "Human Doctor" or "Metacrisis Doctor" or "Ten and a half" or "John Smith" or whatever you want to call him is NOT an incarnation of the Doctor, he is a biproduct.

Good lord, I do hope not. Sorry to say so but this sounds deathly dull.

Not going to agree on this, but Smith's ending seemed very empty and the whole thing about blowing up a fleet of Daleks seemed ridiculous.

I also had no problem at all with Tennant's going back to past companion

But then again people want and see different things.

But the whole point is that he healed himself - He's the same 'incarnation'.

A regeneration was used.


He visibly didn't. He blew up one Dalek ship, and the rest of the footage of that episode showed more than one Dalek ship present. This is an example of why some people are just fed up of Moffat as the Executive Producer, no matter how much they appreciated his efforts as a writer under RTD.

Moffat's finished work is basically first-draft quality.

Well it appears to me at the time that he did, and even if that wasn't the case, using regeneration energy in such a way seemed completely overblown.

Whatever the case I didn't like that episode at all, an opinion quite widely shared.

By the way I like the current series as can be seen by my positive reviews on here, so no Moffat hatred, just giving my honest opinion.