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Results:who should leave this week?
Sanjay
30 (26.09%)
Solomon
2 (1.74%)
Roisin
3 (2.61%)
Katie
2 (1.74%)
Mark
10 (8.70%)
Daniel
41 (35.65%)
Bianca
6 (5.22%)
Felipe
21 (18.26%)
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the apprentice episode 9 December 3rd
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mazzy50
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by In Arcadia Ego:
“Felipe and Daniel specifically said several times that it didn't say that. So unless they're either illiterate or insane, Sugar is talking crap.”

I think we have established that LS is indeed talking crap.

There is a screen cap which proves the description said absolutely nothing about being 'fully assembled'. It was bad enough that LS made up a reason to make the team lose and sack Felipe, but to follow up with a lie to try and defend his actions is really pathetic.
anyonefortennis
03-12-2014
Daniel is such a liar.
Dix
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by TheGraduate2012:
“He was like that before he was a Lord or a Sir, he's a prick.”

No he wasn't, as he had more humanity, but I think the producers of the Apprentice have a lot to do with it. In one of the episodes LS gave us a glimpse of what was really happening, and how he decided to make his own decision, which showed how much he has had to toe the line.

If he was so awful as an employer, then no one would ever want to have anything to do with him. As a businessman LS can't afford to be a bad one.
thenetworkbabe
03-12-2014
The rope was bizarre too . used rope might suggest old fashioned rope - as used on sailing ships - but it seemed to mean used by someone. But how do you define used - can you buy it, tie something with it ,and declare it used? And did it say one metre exactly, no more or less, or just one metre - which would include anything more than one metre? And how on earth was the fine for a metre of rope £50.

In one case, he penalised Felipe for being pedantic, and, in the other, he was pedantic about the rope length?

And also bizare was the diamond. The purpose was to see who could bid someone down most. But the two teams were offered completely different starting prices in the same place for the same thing ? Were the diamonds the same? And, then, Roisin got her price even lower on sheer sex appeal.
demfe
03-12-2014
yeah LS - a paper skeleton is about as 'real' as a plastic skeleton..
Rhumbatugger
03-12-2014
You didn't set the parameters properly LS, and you have no bloody sense of humour.

Touchy, annoying old misery.
Ænima
03-12-2014
LS retweeting the bbc saying that 'Skeletongate" is trending.

He's more of a professional attention whore these days. We all know the show is a farce, sadly.
Mythica
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by Seventeen:
“I clearly am on a different page to everyone else on this.

This isn't a legal show, it's not a show about trying to get away with things and saying "oh but the text says..." or being clever like that. They KNEW what they were supposed to get, they got a paper one and hoped it would be accepted. It wasn't.

If they genuinely thought it was what was they were supposed to get, I'd sympathise. But they knew full well what they should have been getting and thought "loophole!".”

They got what he asked for unless it was stated else where, but then we'll never know that.

The Apprentice is all about business, businesses use loopholes every single day. Business is all about profit, something which they thought of when buying the skeleton.
Rhumbatugger
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by demfe:
“yeah LS - a paper skeleton is about as 'real' as a plastic skeleton..”

Exactly.
myss
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by tigermad:
“Sugar has said it said fully assembled on the pages within. Surely they would have read that then.”

Hahahaha load of b*ll*cks Sounds like LS doesn't know how to admit his mistakes.
SwanGirl
03-12-2014
Very poor tonight, I thought Felipe's idea was a stroke of genius to be honest! It did not say that the skeleton had to be fully assembled, it did not say the skeleton had to be plastic or bone, all the description said was a fully anatomical skeleton which is exactly what they got, all be it in paper form.

Don't get me wrong, Felipe wasn't going to win and I did think he'd be fired in the next few weeks but tonight the worst performer by far has to be Sanjay. He made a complete mess of supposedly 'leading' his team, made the awful decision to go all the way to Stratford for something he could have found in London if he'd looked hard enough and paid way over the odds for the oil as a consequence.

I think Sanjay or Solomon will be the next to go, Daniel was a better team leader tonight and he at least pulled everyone together and was encouraging.
Dix
03-12-2014
That only means that the diamond was only worth a smaller sum than the guy's original price, if he could afford to let it go for pittance.
Paul237
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by Seventeen:
“Did they really meet the brief though? Can a paper model possibly be properly anatomically correct? Here's a product page for it: http://www.firebox.com/product/6199/...Human-Skeleton

The ribs are flat for example.”

Well, they did ask the guy in the shop twice if it was anatomically correct -- i.e. is it life size. Which proves they fully read and understood the brief. If they were lied to, that's not really their fault. You could tell they were trying to ascertain if the fully built model was smaller than the real thing.

Plus you could argue the plastic skeleton might not have been anatomically correct either. Unless The Apprentice producers carefully measured each bone to ensure they were proportionally accurate, etc.
In Arcadia Ego
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by Paul237:
“Nope. They met the brief.

The show is about trying to get the best possible price for an item. So if you can get an item that fully meets the description as cheaply as possible then you've done your job. Add to the fact that the team got all the items on time it shows they were a strong team.

I just imagine Sugar hated being outwitted like that and, therefore, forced them to lose by adding a ridiculous penalty. It shows how fixed and engineered it really is.”

Yes. Either they were supposed to find items that matched the technical description - in which case the skeleton should have passed - or they were supposed to find items that would be accepted if this were a task in "the real world" - in which case the rope should have passed. The rules were inconsistently applied.
Dix
03-12-2014
Not sure that was such a good sketch
Paul237
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by SwanGirl:
“Very poor tonight, I thought Felipe's idea was a stroke of genius to be honest! It did not say that the skeleton had to be fully assembled, it did not say the skeleton had to be plastic or bone, all the description said was a fully anatomical skeleton which is exactly what they got, all be it in paper form.

Don't get me wrong, Felipe wasn't going to win and I did think he'd be fired in the next few weeks but tonight the worst performer by far has to be Sanjay. He made a complete mess of supposedly 'leading' his team, made the awful decision to go all the way to Stratford for something he could have found in London if he'd looked hard enough and paid way over the odds for the oil as a consequence.

I think Sanjay or Solomon will be the next to go, Daniel was a better team leader tonight and he at least pulled everyone together and was encouraging.”

Yes, Sanjay was dreadful. He clearly isn't a good leader. His plan to take extra time to locate items didn't pay off, as they were late and didn't get all the items. He seemed a bit "rabbit in the headlights" throughout.

It also annoyed me when he was sat there sniggering at the other team's skeleton. You can tell he felt really pleased to have won that task (despite the fact his team was worse overall) and thought it was down to him.

If he doesn't go next week at least we'll get to see him squirm in the interviews.
slouchingthatch
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“The rope was bizarre too . used rope might suggest old fashioned rope - as used on sailing ships - but it seemed to mean used by someone. But how do you define used - can you buy it, tie something with it ,and declare it used? And did it say one metre exactly, no more or less, or just one metre - which would include anything more than one metre? And how on earth was the fine for a metre of rope £50.

In one case, he penalised Felipe for being pedantic, and, in the other, he was pedantic about the rope length?

And also bizare was the diamond. The purpose was to see who could bid someone down most. But the two teams were offered completely different starting prices in the same place for the same thing ? Were the diamonds the same? And, then, Roisin got her price even lower on sheer sex appeal.”

Actually £52. I assume this was the guide price for the rope of £2 plus a £50 fine for not meeting spec.
JulieeP
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by Annsyre:
“Sanjay a tit in a trance.”

I agree.

Whatever he says, I thought he was a useless team leader. I'm all for a bit of planning before a task, but they wasted too much time. I would like to see what Bianca is like as PM, as she seems to have her head screwed on the right way.

I thought the paper skeleton was a bit of a risk, but to be fair to Felipe, Daniel was with him, and as PM, could have said no way there and then, rather than backing him up. I thought it was a clever idea, and as others have already pointed out, it could have fitted the criteria. Sir Alan just seemed to throw his toys out of the pram at that point.
Dix
03-12-2014
Audience would have Hired Felipe....as a lawyer

Gets a footie stadium as a pressie. The Apprentice doesn't like nice guys like Felips, so if you're like him then don't apply, as it would be a waste of your time.

nn Dara
thenetworkbabe
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by Dix:
“That only means that the diamond was only worth a smaller sum than the guy's original price, if he could afford to let it go for pittance.”

But if it specified a particular size, and quality, of diamond, why did Daniel get offered a much higher starting price? Given they don't know the market price, and we don't see them shopping around - but going to one supplier , doesn't it come down to walking into the cheapest supplier's office.
slouchingthatch
03-12-2014
Well, that was one of the most confusing task results ever. I've included an item-by-item breakdown of all the item costs and fines (as far as I can) in my weekly review --> Link
slouchingthatch
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“But if it specified a particular size, and quality, of diamond, why did Daniel get offered a much higher starting price? Given they don't know the market price, and we don't see them shopping around - but going to one supplier , doesn't it come down to walking into the cheapest supplier's office.”

We've seen on previous tasks where there are several sellers of a particular item near each other that teams have tried a number of different sellers to get the price down. It doesn't appear that either team did that here - although they may have and we weren't shown it - but I suspect that Roisin just got lucky in finding a dealer willing to offer a lower price awho then buckled when she negotiated with him. Was it Roisin's charm or the presence of the cameras that did it? Who knows? Either way, Daniel got screwed on that without it really being his fault.
Dix
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“The rope was bizarre too . used rope might suggest old fashioned rope - as used on sailing ships - but it seemed to mean used by someone. But how do you define used - can you buy it, tie something with it ,and declare it used? And did it say one metre exactly, no more or less, or just one metre - which would include anything more than one metre? And how on earth was the fine for a metre of rope £50.

In one case, he penalised Felipe for being pedantic, and, in the other, he was pedantic about the rope length?

And also bizare was the diamond. The purpose was to see who could bid someone down most. But the two teams were offered completely different starting prices in the same place for the same thing ? Were the diamonds the same? And, then, Roisin got her price even lower on sheer sex appeal.”

But who's to say it was sex appeal, as the show is set to work one way, so the seller acted his part in price lowering.
In Arcadia Ego
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by Seventeen:
“Did they really meet the brief though? Can a paper model possibly be properly anatomically correct? Here's a product page for it: http://www.firebox.com/product/6199/...Human-Skeleton

The ribs are flat for example.”

anatomically correct adj 1. Accurately depicting or replicating the body, or a body part, of a human being or animal. 2. (euphemistic, of a doll, figurine, etc.) Possessing a physiologically accurate representation of sex organs.

Well, either both the plastic and paper skeletons should count, or neither should. So it was a pretty arbitrary decision.

I doubt there was any big sinister reason behind it, though, unless Sugar was desperate to preserve Sanjay, which seems highly unlikely.
big dan
03-12-2014
'Well, team Summit... you got on well, showed great team spirit and outperformed the other team by a country mile.. you went off bloody script!!! And for that, one of you will be fired'.
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