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Results:who should leave this week?
Sanjay
30 (26.09%)
Solomon
2 (1.74%)
Roisin
3 (2.61%)
Katie
2 (1.74%)
Mark
10 (8.70%)
Daniel
41 (35.65%)
Bianca
6 (5.22%)
Felipe
21 (18.26%)
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the apprentice episode 9 December 3rd
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thenetworkbabe
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by Paul237:
“Well, they did ask the guy in the shop twice if it was anatomically correct -- i.e. is it life size. Which proves they fully read and understood the brief. If they were lied to, that's not really their fault. You could tell they were trying to ascertain if the fully built model was smaller than the real thing.

Plus you could argue the plastic skeleton might not have been anatomically correct either. Unless The Apprentice producers carefully measured each bone to ensure they were proportionally accurate, etc.”

Indeed. Anatomically correct could mean all bones depicted, in the right sizes and proportions, or it could mean in 3 D too (was the paper one 3 D when built? ) Or does it mean the correct weight too - as bones would be - if you didn't count all the missing insides - but plastic wouldn't - as it weighs less.

The subteam just were told it was made of paper - there was no way of knowing if that meant thin cut outs, or 3 D paper mache - as far as we know, they were never told it was in a flat box, or saw it.
kitkat1971
03-12-2014
I agree with the majority - it was really unfair. He was outwitted by an educated man and he didn't like it one little bit so threw his toys out of the pram. It is his reverse snobbery coming out again - anybody with a 'priveleged' academic background is always at a disadvantage with him - i think he believes that studying isn't 'proper' work and anybody can do it if given the chance.
seellee
03-12-2014
Probably one of Sugars most disgraceful decisions. I thought the paper skeleton was a great idea. I was hoping Sugar would see that it was thinking outside the box but alas he acted like a tit.

I was also disappointed with Felippes team mates. I think they should have backed him and all staged a protest but that's just me. I'd have been livid with the decision and backed my team.

The diamond was also misleading. Both teams started with different prices, they may have got it for £50 but she was starting at £140. She got £90 deducted. The other team got £75 deducted. It was more down to the seller than her amazing skills. On another day the seller would have said £250 as a starting price.
Dix
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“But if it specified a particular size, and quality, of diamond, why did Daniel get offered a much higher starting price? Given they don't know the market price, and we don't see them shopping around - but going to one supplier , doesn't it come down to walking into the cheapest supplier's office.”

No one in their right mind would walk into a cheap supplier if they wanted a quality diamond. But if Daniel was told to find a poor quality, then he might think it was ok to ask a cheap dealer for one, then beat the price down. But even cheap dealers have to earn their crust, and would up their prices.

Even if none of them knew the Diamond market, they would still know that Diamonds are expensive items.

One reason why Daniel went into that Supplier was because he was told to do so, and to make it look as if he was making that decision himself.
slouchingthatch
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by seellee:
“Probably one of Sugars most disgraceful decisions. I thought the paper skeleton was a great idea. I was hoping Sugar would see that it was thinking outside the box but alas he acted like a tit.

I was also disappointed with Felippes team mates. I think they should have backed him and all staged a protest but that's just me. I'd have been livid with the decision and backed my team.

The diamond was also misleading. Both teams started with different prices, they may have got it for £50 but she was starting at £140. She got £90 deducted. The other team got £75 deducted. It was more down to the seller than her amazing skills. On another day the seller would have said £250 as a starting price.”

Yes, a staged protest would definitely have worked(!)

Banging my head against a brick wall, I know, but I disagree with the majority. It wasn't a case of somebody outwitting Sugar - does anyone actually think he himself writes out the task instructions?!? - more that Felipe went against the spirit of the task. Yes, I know that's all airy-fairy, but if I had asked for someone to bring me a skeleton and they had brought me that just because I hadn't specifically said they couldn't do so, I'd have been pretty hacked off too.

I wonder how outraged people would be if it had been Daniel or Mark who did that, rather than Felipe?
dylanpartyon
03-12-2014
I seem to be one of the only people who agree with LS decision. To me the paper skeleton, while quite genius, isn't anatomically correct, it being jagged because of it being plastic, and not bone like as a plastic one would be. I wish u didn't feel like this, cause Sanjay needed to be fired. But imo it was correct....
seellee
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by slouchingthatch:
“Yes, a staged protest would definitely have worked(!)

Banging my head against a brick wall, I know, but I disagree with the majority. It wasn't a case of somebody outwitting Sugar - does anyone actually think he himself writes out the task instructions?!? - more that Felipe went against the spirit of the task. Yes, I know that's all airy-fairy, but if I had asked for someone to bring me a skeleton and they had brought me that just because I hadn't specifically said they couldn't do so, I'd have been pretty hacked off too.

I wonder how outraged people would be if it had been Daniel or Mark who did that, rather than Felipe?”

I felt annoyed for the whole team including Mark and Daniel. Not one of that team deserved to be fired this week. This wasn't about who came up with the idea and I'm sure others would back me up there.
Mythica
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by slouchingthatch:
“Yes, a staged protest would definitely have worked(!)

Banging my head against a brick wall, I know, but I disagree with the majority. It wasn't a case of somebody outwitting Sugar - does anyone actually think he himself writes out the task instructions?!? - more that Felipe went against the spirit of the task. Yes, I know that's all airy-fairy, but if I had asked for someone to bring me a skeleton and they had brought me that just because I hadn't specifically said they couldn't do so, I'd have been pretty hacked off too.

I wonder how outraged people would be if it had been Daniel or Mark who did that, rather than Felipe?”

You need to put it into context. If the NHS had asked you to buy a skeleton, you'd have a point. But they didn't. The skeleton wasn't bought for any purpose other than to see which team could get it the cheapest along with other items and walk out the winners. They done exactly what was asked for them in the spirit of the task.
ryanr554
03-12-2014
I agree with Lord Sugar about the Skeleton, what the presented him with is some paper in packaging, not a skeleton. If they had built it I would still have agreed with him for fining them because of it.

I don't agree with him about the Rope which I thought was really unfair and I think would have just made them actually beat the other team.

I thought Felipe was rather useless anyway so I don't really care. Daniel also needs to be fired.
slouchingthatch
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by Mythica:
“You need to put it into context. If the NHS had asked you to buy a skeleton, you'd have a point. But they didn't. The skeleton wasn't bought for any purpose other than to see which team could get it the cheapest along with other items and walk out the winners. They done exactly what was asked for them in the spirit of the task.”

No, I'd say they did what was asked of them to the letter of the task - they violated its spirit.

And I am putting it into context: if I had asked someone to buy me a skeleton on the cheap and they came back with a paper kit, would I be happy? No.
slouchingthatch
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by seellee:
“I felt annoyed for the whole team including Mark and Daniel. Not one of that team deserved to be fired this week. This wasn't about who came up with the idea and I'm sure others would back me up there.”

I do kind of agree. If anyone was going to be fired, though, it had to be Felipe. Definitely not Mark or Katie, and for once I will even stand up and defend Daniel, who shouldn't have allowed himself to be persuaded but it was still Felipe driving it. Other than that, Daniel did very well this week - even Mark recognised that.
seellee
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by slouchingthatch:
“I do kind of agree. If anyone was going to be fired, though, it had to be Felipe. Definitely not Mark or Katie, and for once I will even stand up and defend Daniel, who shouldn't have allowed himself to be persuaded but it was still Felipe driving it. Other than that, Daniel did very well this week - even Mark recognised that.”

The whole team were great this week. It was just a shame that they behaved like they did when brought back. It would have been nice to see some integrity from the other 3 instead of what happened.

Even though Sugar didn't like the skeleton he could surely just have made sure they won anyway with how they performed. I think most people would have. He made the decision to cause controversy probably after discussion with the producers. Yes this happens I'm not naive, I know large parts are staged, but the whole thing just seems mightily unfair.
Under Soul
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by seellee:
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I was also disappointed with Felippes team mates. I think they should have backed him and all staged a protest but that's just me. I'd have been livid with the decision and backed my team.
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Alan Sugar is a power mad tyrant plain and simple and any attempt at disagreeing with him is a complete no-no. This includes his business advisers who come across as minions.

I know that it an entertainment show but I've worked in offices where the manager says one thing which the majority of people think is clearly wrong but there is a culture of fear as the manager needs yes men to please his ego. Saw an unpleasant side to him tonight.

Addictive of course - so I shall continue watching.
slouchingthatch
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by seellee:
“The whole team were great this week. It was just a shame that they behaved like they did when brought back. It would have been nice to see some integrity from the other 3 instead of what happened.

Even though Sugar didn't like the skeleton he could surely just have made sure they won anyway with how they performed. I think most people would have. He made the decision to cause controversy probably after discussion with the producers. Yes this happens I'm not naive, I know large parts are staged, but the whole thing just seems mightily unfair.”

Yes, I thought Katie in particular showed a distinctly unpleasant side. Even Mark, both during the task and in the boardroom, conducted himself well - he expressed his extreme disappointment without making it personal the way Katie did towards Daniel.
fiagomez
03-12-2014
really disappointed with LS and agree with the majority of others that it was an unfair decision to not allow the skeleton because of sloppy, unclear and lazy instructions...

after liking katie and hoping she would get to the final, i really dont like her anymore and thought she was quite horrible.
Dix
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by Under Soul:
“Alan Sugar is a power mad tyrant plain and simple and any attempt at disagreeing with him is a complete no-no. This includes his business advisers who come across as minions.

I know that it an entertainment show but I've worked in offices where the manager says one thing which the majority of people think is clearly wrong but there is a culture of fear as the manager needs yes men to please his ego. Saw an unpleasant side to him tonight.

Addictive of course - so I shall continue watching.”

Rubbish re the impression of how he treats his "minions". Some time ago Karren disagreed with LS, and was verbal about it, and all he did was to listen to what she said. He never raised his voice etc. Nick can talk to him without LS blowing his top or being nasty.

LS has to be a strong man to deal with those dreadful Candidates, which no doubt the Producers placed before him! The way they talk back to him is a disgrace! None of them have any respect, nor show it to even their own team members. If you spoke to your Boss the same way, you'd be out on your ear! All these rancid Candidates want is the money and to hell with anything else. LS would be better off without them.
andallthatjazz
03-12-2014
Daniel reminds me of Paul series 1 and I actually like Daniel.
Malik24
03-12-2014
If the skeleton had been assembled, it would have fit the requirements written on the dossier sheet. Common sense would dictate that a paper skeleton would not be desired... but specificity is key to an extent, too. Either way, it wasn't assembled, so Sugar got the equivalent of cake mix rather than cake and thus clearly wasn't valid from that angle.

I'm ok with Daniel surviving purely on the basis of this one task, but would have preferred him to go in a double firing on an overall basis. He's been somewhat lucky to survive four BR outings...

Daniel does at least get to engage in the very exciting competition between himself and Sanjay that will determine who will get to be arguably one of the worst contestants of all time to reach interviews.
In Arcadia Ego
04-12-2014
Originally Posted by Dix:
“Rubbish re the impression of how he treats his "minions". Some time ago Karren disagreed with LS, and was verbal about it, and all he did was to listen to what she said. He never raised his voice etc. Nick can talk to him without LS blowing his top or being nasty.

LS has to be a strong man to deal with those dreadful Candidates, which no doubt the Producers placed before him! The way they talk back to him is a disgrace! None of them have any respect, nor show it to even their own team members. If you spoke to your Boss the same way, you'd be out on your ear! All these rancid Candidates want is the money and to hell with anything else. LS would be better off without them.”

When have they talked back to him? They're deferent to a ridiculous degree - tonight being a perfect example, when all of the losing team (with the possible, half-hearted, exception of Felipe) immediately agreed with every one of Sugar's arbitrary decisions as to whether the skeleton and rope should count.

I honestly can't recall a single case where any of them have shown any sign of defiance before him.
Jules 1
04-12-2014
Many times when it is all about the price, the criteria is to get things as cheaply as possible as seen with the Coast Trip episode when quality wasn't even as issue.

In this instance I think it is a bad decision and the wrong team won, the amount of the fine did seem very arbitrary indeed. The way the whole thing was handled seemed a bit iffy to me, adding on the figures right at the end.

First time I have been disappointed in how an Apprentice episode went.
slouchingthatch
04-12-2014
Originally Posted by In Arcadia Ego:
“When have they talked back to him? They're deferent to a ridiculous degree - tonight being a perfect example, when all of the losing team (with the possible, half-hearted, exception of Felipe) immediately agreed with every one of Sugar's arbitrary decisions as to whether the skeleton and rope should count.

I honestly can't recall a single case where any of them have shown any sign of defiance before him.”

Of course they're ridiculously deferent. Does anyone seriously think that standing up to Sugar on a show of which he is the star and portrayed as omnipotent and all-knowing is going to get them anywhere? What they would do in the real world is one thing, but in reality TV world it's never going to happen.
stargazer61
04-12-2014
Awwwww Just caught up. Felipe comes across as a really nice man. Loved his business plan for disabled children,
RandomArbiter
04-12-2014
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“This is bizarre - why is Roisin being offered it at a starting price way lower than Daniel was doors away? Seems to depend on who you asked and possibly the quality of the diamond?”

The diamond thing was completely unfair. You put a hard nosed boss type guy with another guy (even if it was Daniel) vs a geeky guy infatuated with blondes with an Irish beauty like Roisin.... that is nothing to do with skill, ability or character - but attraction. Which is NOT a measure of how well you can run a business.

The skeleton thing is bullshit as well, no-one in the team were wrong - Sugar was.

In business, you are supposed to think outside the box for any opportunity to gain - if they had played it safe by getting the £200 skeleton - well, who wants someone in business who plays it safe? Go be an accountant or lawyer - which is ironic considering Felipe made a very non lawyer-esque risk, when in previous weeks Sugar has criticised him (and Lauren, the other lawyer) for playing it safe!!!

Lord Sugar needs to make up his mind about what qualities he wants. Or just tell everyone that it was fixed all along, based on the business plans of the contestants.
RandomArbiter
04-12-2014
Furthermore, them overanalysing (including Katie) why Daniel brought back her in rather than Mark - there's 2 people, both were minorly at fault. No need to go all Freudian over it!
RandomArbiter
04-12-2014
Originally Posted by myss:
“^Exactly my thoughts.”

Come off it. Both were equally at fault (as in, not much at all). 1 of 2. Heads or Tails.
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