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Old 03-12-2014, 23:45
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I think if they'd taken the time to put it together, Lord Surallan might have accepted it- at least it would have looked like the real deal. What they gave him was a packet- can you point at the femur? No. You can't count the ribs either.
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Old 03-12-2014, 23:58
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Yes you can. Just open the packet.
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Old 04-12-2014, 00:00
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I think if they'd taken the time to put it together, Lord Surallan might have accepted it- at least it would have looked like the real deal. What they gave him was a packet- can you point at the femur? No. You can't count the ribs either.
I think it should have counted. They should have put it together so they could quite rightly argue that Surallan was quibbling over the difference between plastic and paper.

Even not made up their skeleton is as much a skeleton as a flat pack Ikea bed is a bed.
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Old 04-12-2014, 00:04
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Absolutely there was nothing wrong with it - it matched the instructions. Plain and simple. If you are in business you have to be specific about things.
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Old 04-12-2014, 00:06
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Even not made up their skeleton is as much a skeleton as a flat pack Ikea bed is a bed.
I don't know- if I went to a hotel, and they said, "here's your bed for the night" and pointed to an ikea flatpack and handed me a screwdriver, I think I'd be rightfully peeved.
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Old 04-12-2014, 00:08
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Absolutely there was nothing wrong with it - it matched the instructions. Plain and simple. If you are in business you have to be specific about things.
I'm not sure it did. I'd say it had the potential to meet the specifications in some future time... 'anatomically correct', to me, means being able to point at the shin and say "here's the shinbone" and so on. You can't do that with a packet of paper.
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Old 04-12-2014, 00:14
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I think it should've counted - after all if you're going to quibble then a plastic skellington isn't a real one either. However after 10 years someone on the team should've realised that Lord Sid don't like being taken for a mug and he makes the rules...
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Old 04-12-2014, 00:15
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I think it's open to interpretation. You could argue that, although it met the letter of their instructions, in real life it wouldn't be accepted. The problem for me is that the rope would have been accepted in real life, despite not complying with the exact instructions, so if he rejects one if should've accepted the other.
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Old 04-12-2014, 00:15
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I don't know- if I went to a hotel, and they said, "here's your bed for the night" and pointed to an ikea flatpack and handed me a screwdriver, I think I'd be rightfully peeved.
It's not really the same thing is it. It's more like if you went to a hotel, told them to get you a bed, a kosher chicken, a sink, a diamond and a piece of old rope, gave them £500 and told them they're in competition with another hotel and whoever spends more money will have their hotel blown up.
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Old 04-12-2014, 00:19
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Old 04-12-2014, 00:19
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I think it should have been accepted, but had they thought and made an effort to construct it to demonstrate that it was as useful as a plastic skeleton Lord Sugar may have been more forgiving.
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Old 04-12-2014, 00:20
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A 'make your own skeleton' is not a skeleton until it's built

None of the other items would have been accepted in 'make your own' form

I can see the angle Felipe was thinking about, but I think it was right to not be accepted
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Old 04-12-2014, 00:22
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to add anothr ingredient how did they reach the figure of £310 for a £50 fine for not buying and a £260 list price for the item itself. Amazon will sell you one for £154
http://www.amazon.co.uk/TecTake-skel...mical+skeleton

Or £130 http://www.amazon.co.uk/66FIT-Human-...mical+skeleton

or £110 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Scientific-A...mical+skeleton

All with no bargaining over price.

The fine looks arbitary.
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Old 04-12-2014, 00:23
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None of the other items would have been accepted in 'make your own' form
"Here's your diamond Lord Sugar- A LUMP OF COAL"
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Old 04-12-2014, 00:27
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to add anothr ingredient how did they reach the figure of £310 for a £50 fine for not buying and a £260 list price for the item itself. Amazon will sell you one for £154
I don't know how they find the guide price, but I expect it's based on London store prices, rather than online retailers. Maybe it's a high price, but I suppose it's fair in that the same penalty will apply to both teams.

I just don't get how Phillipe could think that he could cut such a corner as to get the most expensive item for around a tenner...
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Old 04-12-2014, 00:28
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I don't know- if I went to a hotel, and they said, "here's your bed for the night" and pointed to an ikea flatpack and handed me a screwdriver, I think I'd be rightfully peeved.
Does an Amstrad satellite dish pick up satellite signals until it's constructed and positioned on a roof? I bet the Lord's boxes say satellite dish, not parts that have the potential to become a satellite dish
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Old 04-12-2014, 00:28
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You could argue if you provided an actual human skeleton you dug up from a graveyard the bones wouldn't be attached together so a kit of parts is similar.

Although it wasn't expected, it's like someone asking for a car and getting a load of parts to put together - that isn't a car until it's put together.

It has the potential to look good when put together
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Awesome-Life...-/190353022957
or Google Images for Build Your Own Human Skeleton (Taschen) show it fine when put together.
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Old 04-12-2014, 00:29
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No, I personally don't feel it should have been accepted. It felt too much like a circumvention rather than an interpretation of the rules. Shame about Felipe though, Daniel was quick to distance himself from the whole debacle.
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Old 04-12-2014, 00:31
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I already said i thought sugar intended to fine them whatever it took to lose.

A plastic skeleton is no more a skeleton than a paper skeleton. A skeleton is bone.
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Old 04-12-2014, 00:32
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I thought it was ingenious and Shorty would love it as a work of out of the box thinking.

What do I know eh? 😏
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Old 04-12-2014, 00:32
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Does an Amstrad satellite dish pick up satellite signals until it's constructed and positioned on a roof? I bet the Lord's boxes say satellite dish, not parts that have the potential to become a satellite dish
Now you're just being facetious
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Old 04-12-2014, 00:34
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Does an Amstrad satellite dish pick up satellite signals until it's constructed and positioned on a roof? I bet the Lord's boxes say satellite dish, not parts that have the potential to become a satellite dish
I think you came second if yougot an amstrad box.
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Old 04-12-2014, 00:39
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"Here's your diamond Lord Sugar- A LUMP OF COAL"
Hardly the same thing, yes both diamond and coal are carbon and both the plastic and paper models were skeletons but the thing is that the structure of the carbon is different and the specification basically specified which structure of Carbon to use. The difference with the case of the skeletons was the specifications asked for a 180 cm anatomical skeleton, nowhere did it specify the material and so giving a constructed paper model would have had to have been accepted as it complied in the strictest sense to the specification, if Lord Sugar didn't like that then that is his problem for not being specific enough - I think the issue was more with the fact that Lord Sugar just didn't see it. Had it been constructed I think Felipe would have had a much stronger case as I have outlined.
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Old 04-12-2014, 00:43
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Old 04-12-2014, 00:44
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They supplied EXACTLY what the brief asked for. It's no good SirAlan saying "that's not what I meant" as that has no baring in anything.

Personally I think they should have got a pat on the back thinking laterally and thus saving money. It was great business sense: Supply exactly what is specified at a cheaper cost.

This happens all the time in business where something is change and all is OK as long as it meats the agreed specifications.

Therefore SirAlan was in the wrong.
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