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Also, the skeleton that the others got was a plastic one not a real human's remains of bone, so why is that substitution in material OK and the other one not?
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If they had stuck together, I wonder what Sugar would have done ? As it was, they predictably fell apart and split once again making it easier for him to find a scapegoat.
I think he should have said it was unacceptable but congratulated them on their ingenuity, foregoing the fine and making them winners. After all, he must have known from the feedback that they had been the much better team. |
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Definitely should have counted. Felipe was right, nowhere in the description did it say what the skeleton should be made from. Sugar knew that and just blustered his way out of it, in order to give the other team a scandalous victory
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When Daniel came back to the house and said "you look like you've seen a ghost!", did anyone else shout "no, just a skeleton" at the TV?
Just me then! 🙈😳😬 |
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Definitely should have counted. Felipe was right, nowhere in the description did it say what the skeleton should be made from. Sugar knew that and just blustered his way out of it, in order to give the other team a scandalous victory
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Well, one of the criteria was that it had to be at least 150cm in height and what they presented certainly wasn't 150cm in height, so from that alone, it was right to be discounted. If they had assembled it, then they may have had a case.
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Well, one of the criteria was that it had to be at least 150cm in height and what they presented certainly wasn't 150cm in height, so from that alone, it was right to be discounted. If they had assembled it, then they may have had a case.
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The instructions should have specified it had to be assembled.
If I ordered a bed and it came in a flat pack, it's still a bed. It's my fault for not specifying I want it delivered fully assembled. |
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The instructions should have spacified it had to be assembled.
If I ordered a bed and it came in a flat pack, it's still a bed. It's my fault for not specifying I want it delivered fully assembled.
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Sugar should fire himself because he's the one who cocked up here. These guys got him what he wanted and smashed the other team.
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Well, one of the criteria was that it had to be at least 150cm in height and what they presented certainly wasn't 150cm in height, so from that alone, it was right to be discounted. If they had assembled it, then they may have had a case.
It's almost an insult that they expected Lord Sugar to spend several hours assembling it himself. At the very least it smacks of "will this do?" Quote:
If I ordered a bed and it came in a flat pack, it's still a bed. It's my fault for not specifying I want it delivered fully assembled.
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They supplied EXACTLY what the brief asked for. It's no good SirAlan saying "that's not what I meant" as that has no baring in anything.
Personally I think they should have got a pat on the back thinking laterally and thus saving money. It was great business sense: Supply exactly what is specified at a cheaper cost. This happens all the time in business where something is change and all is OK as long as it meats the agreed specifications. Therefore SirAlan was in the wrong. |
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As he makes the final decisions,he cannot be wrong.
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It said 180cm on the box.
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Definitely.
They would have been fined less if they didn't bring anything, so the punishment was really unfair. The team were the worthy winners. |
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Definitely.
They would have been fined less if they didn't bring anything, so the punishment was really unfair. The team were the worthy winners. |
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It shouldn't have counted, in my view. A skeleton is made of bone - anything else is a copy.
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It shouldn't have counted, in my view. A skeleton is made of bone - anything else is a copy.
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It shouldn't have counted, in my view. A skeleton is made of bone - anything else is a copy.
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I disagree- if I ordered a takeaway pizza and fires, and the delivery guy turns up with a frozen pizza and a bag of oven chips, it's my fault because I should have specified that I wanted them cooked?
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Definitely.
They would have been fined less if they didn't bring anything, so the punishment was really unfair. The team were the worthy winners. Now thinking about it I have to wonder whether Felipe got fired more for LS's dislike of lawyers than for getting it wrong as the description really doesn't back up LS's claim that they did. This is the exact way the item was described in the teams sheet. HUMAN SKELETON SPECIFICATIONS: Full-Sized Anatomical Skeleton. Minimum 150cm tall. What it doesn't say is ANATOMICALLY CORRECT skeleton which would be the correct descriptive. And I cant remember a team ever (George is that right?) getting stung for a fine of such severity for getting an item wrong, so my suspicion is that LS wanted rid of Felipe, don't know why but the fines smack of deliberate jerry rigging. |
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My first take on Daniel and Felipe when they bought this was OMG! LS wont accept that it isn't the right thing.
Now thinking about it I have to wonder whether Felipe got fired more for LS's dislike of lawyers than for getting it wrong as the description really doesn't back up LS's claim that they did. This is the exact way the item was described in the teams sheet. HUMAN SKELETON SPECIFICATIONS: Full-Sized Anatomical Skeleton. Minimum 150cm tall. What it doesn't say is ANATOMICALLY CORRECT skeleton which would be the correct descriptive. And I cant remember a team ever (George is that right?) getting stung for a fine of such severity for getting an item wrong, so my suspicion is that LS wanted rid of Felipe, don't know why but the fines smack of deliberate jerry rigging. Like dumbledore giving potter extra points to win the hogwarts trophy. But this time griffyndor lost, and slytherin won. |
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Like dumbledore giving potter extra points to win the hogwarts trophy. But this time griffyndor lost, and slytherin won.
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Felipe basically got fired for outsmarting Lord Sugar or at least whoever wrote the list descriptions. They completely met the criteria, Lord Sugar just arbitrarily decided to make them lose with that plus the rope being too long.
I thought it was a pity the team didn't stick together more, since they were robbed after arguably the best ever performance by a team on this task. |
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Felipe basically got fired for outsmarting Lord Sugar or at least whoever wrote the list descriptions. They completely met the criteria, Lord Sugar just arbitrarily decided to make them lose with that plus the rope being too long.
I thought it was a pity the team didn't stick together more, since they were robbed after arguably the best ever performance by a team on this task. |
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