There is one thing I've noticed and I wouldn't exactly call it 'music snobbery' but more being closed minded and hypocritical, when it comes to music.

What I've noticed, is that there is a certain group of people that always feel the need to tell people that they should listen to 'real music' and that they need to listen to a wider range of genres, instead of just pop, then they go on to make a list of who they consider to be 'real music' and the entire list is made up of White Male bands and White Male Bands only.

So they may think they have better taste but still, they are hardly open minded or diverse in their own music tastes are they? It's as though women and other ethnic groups/black people have never made any decent or real music in their eyes.

I'm not talking about people who claim to listen to 'real music' who then list/recommend music made by both men and women and white and black and from at least some of a variety of genres but I'm on about those people who are snobby towards other music and eagerly frequently call those with a different taste to their own "brainwashed sheeps" when they don't give any other types of music, the slightest chance themselves.

Also another thing is how you're told by these same people that you should listen to real music and then when you do go and explore some of the music they like, they then complain about people not being 'real fans' for not discovering the music back when they did. Even though the music was made long before you were born and the person critising you is about 20 years older than you are.

For example, a little while back I was going to buy a compilation of music, that featured some classics and greatest songs within a certain genre from back in the early 90s. Now, I was born in the early 90s and it wasn't a genre my parents ever listened to, therefore when I was a kid, I had no idea the genre even existed but when I did discover it and got into it about 5 years ago now, I thought this compilation would be a good place to start learning about the history of the genre because naturally, I was only aware of the current stuff that was being released but saw loads of people giving it 1 star reviews and saying things like "Good track selection but let's be honest, it's pointless. If you're a true fan of this genre you should already have all of these songs and if you don't you're just a bandwagon jumper bla bla bla"

Sorry for going on a rant! I just get so annoyed by stuff like this. What is it about music, that makes people want to feel oh so superior to others?

Can't see the correlation between 'real music' fans disliking pop and them somehow being racist/misogynist. Metal fans will hate on Linkin Park. Punk fans don't like Green Day. All white male bands.

Eh? That's not what I said at all, think you need to re-read what I wrote.

Why just enjoy what you like and don't care about what others think.

My daughter (13) can't stand my music, but my other daughter (7) loves The Beatles & Prince, as well as the Frozen soundtrack...it's all an age thing as people get older there music tastes change, some of the things I listened to in the 80's is just crap, but I used to like it.

If somebody likes metal I can hardly see them going onto to like RnB, they might like the odd song but that will be about it...I personally don't like either.

You mean you hate people who make threads like this?

Thread Title : Katy Perry and Rihanna Can't SIng! : By Lexii-Mae

And this...

So Lexii-Mae you tell us :

How does any of that have any relevance to the things I've wrote about in this thread?

Just because I happen to have my own taste (like we all do) does not mean that I think I'm musically superior to anyone. I may express that I personally don't think such and such is talented but I don't criticise the actual fans of such music and I never tell others that they should listen to 'real music'

I also don't have a problem with people getting into new genres via a mainstream song and I also don't have a problem with the fact people that are younger than me, may not know certain songs that I do know and that if they were to look into such music, I wouldn't call them bandwagon jumpers or be rude to them because they aren't a 'real fan' like myself.

Also, it's common knowledge that sex is used to help sell things and it is honestly true that some songs wouldn't be anywhere near as popular, if it didn't have the accompanying sexy or controversial video. I know plenty of people (including myself) that will click on a music video and watch it but might decide we don't like the song and therefore don't buy it either. YouTube video views can create the illusion that certain songs are really popular, when actually they aren't, it's the video that is popular and the comments underneath said video, confirm that. That's not to say if they have a sexy or controversial music video, that the song is then AUTOMATICALLY terrible but it does help to boost the popularity of some songs.

Thank you I do know many metal fans that are huge hiphop/rap fans at the same time though.

I do hate the term "real music". What does it even mean? Music is music, there is no "real".

Actually, re-reading what I wrote you do have a point. I have kind of contradicted myself but I forgot I even wrote that and it's not something I would say now. Well I would about the sexy music video relation as that is actually true but I mean I wouldn't now ask why something I like isn't as popular as something somebody else likes and me saying " I think it's time for them to go away now" 😂 yeah, I definitely wouldn't say that now, it's just an immature way of looking at things.

Exactly! Lol

Well most of my post was your writings not mine, but never mind.
Seems you've answered your own question based on your own experience, it's immaturity.

It's the same with fans of all genres of music. A lot of 'serious' hardcore hip-hop will not listen to any other genre or take it seriously. Besides, OP, a lot of the people you refer to would class the likes of Stevie Wonder, Kate Bush and Marvin Gaye as 'real music', and they're hardly white males or white male bands, are they?

No, I read your post and as you spoke of true fans of certain genres of music I went with hardcore punk and metal fans and their dislike of so-called power pop or nu metal bands. (their labels) Most of these are white, male.

Many 'real music' fans cite artists such as PJ Harvey, Bjork etc so there isn't a gender bias as far as i can see. Funk music and soul music probably features in most music snobs lists too so the race bias isn't likely either.

My point as well. lol

Hardcore hip hop fans would probably dismiss Fiddy Cent and listen to more underground bands such as Atmosphere.

hip hop and rnb can be quite different though. of course you get the pop/chart end where both genres are combined, but generally rnb is quite accessible and easy to listen to, whereas hip hop can vary a great deal from the commercial pop-ish radio friendly styles to some pretty extreme examples. even old school 80s hip hop consisting of little more than beats and rhymes can be hard for some to listen to

and of course there have been a number of well known and successful crossovers between hip hip and rock and metal, from walk this way to anthrax and public enemy doing bring tha noise, or the rap metal band bodycount featuring ice t. so hip hop and metal does have a history

on the other hand, I struggle to think of any successful or acclaimed metal and rnb crossovers beyond the odd cover version such as faith no more doing easy by the commodores, which is pretty much a straight cover

there of course were a few funk rock/metal bands, with the red hot chilli peppers being the most well known, but with metal typically being an extreme style of music and rnb typically being a laid back accessible style, it's understandable why people who like one may not like the other as they are chalk and cheese

now this is the point where someone may bring to my attention some Swedish deaf metal band who do covers of songs by the likes of brandy and monica...

Never could understand genre groupies.
Is it music? Do you like it? That's it.

I often get this because I am a fan of Westlife. I have been since I was 12, when I bought their third album, my mum took my best friend and me to see them for my 14th birthday, and I saw them on every tour after that until they split in 2012. I love nice pop songs, I love nice ballads, I like their voices, I think Shane Filan's voice is beautiful, I think they put on great shows, they work hard and put a lot of effort it, they seem like nice guys, I have great memories of seeing them with my mum who also loved seeing them (we had a Westlife song - I'll See You Again - at her funeral, chosen by her because Westlife was our special 'thing' together), and I just like their songs.

And I often used to get comments about listening to 'real music' or being laughed at for it, my opinion not being taken seriously about any music because 'Well, you like Westlife'.

I also love Oasis, The Beatles, Queen, some of Guns'n'Roses stuff, I have Eminem on my iPod, Metallica, Steel Panther, Aerosmith, Alice Cooper, Beethoven, Mozart, Take That, Maroon 5, and all sorts of other music, some which is seen as credible, some which is not.

As DavetheSensible says above, if you like it, that's enough for me. Not everyone's going to like the same types of music, and that's fine.

Bravo! I don't like people saying what other people "should be listening to" etc. You like what you like.

Finally someone said it!!!! I love pop and R&B like Britney, Xtina, Beyoncé, Janet, Mariah etc. so I get your annoyance. I rarely ever listen to male singers with the exceptions of MJ, JT and Bruno Mars. I absolutely hate that punk, metal, emo crap

Agreed!



I've never noticed people listing just white male bands, but the opening post is very interesting. I really don't see why people care what others even like, we have so many different artists and genres because people like different things, why you would get upset over a song or artist someone else happens to like is bizarre.

But surely that makes you as bad as the people the op is complaining about, narrow musical tastes and you mainly stick to one type of singer.

"Real Music" is a dumb term.

But... top 40 pop music is terrible these days.

Probably refers more to an artist, one that can pen their own tunes, play their own instruments, rather than manufactured pop acts..perhaps it should be rephrased as real musician.

The "Elites" are ever present, pay them no attention as they are worth none. They are the same people that when you say "hey I found this really cool band I like, you should check it out" and they reply "yeah I used to like them, but now they are making crap pop music".

You can actually plot a very simple graph to show how this whole system works, but it works like this:

Band Popularity is inverse to the cool factor. The more popular, the less cool. More obscure, more cool.

You also have to look at "faux pas", this is such things as calling that genres royalty rubbish, or liking the wrong thing. Its not always as simple as the right band, it could be the wrong album from a band which is otherwise well respected.

A few examples to explain my point:

"Do you like even, like Slayer?"
"yeah, I loved God Hates Us All"
".............AAARRRRRGHHHHHHHHH"

You see, the right band, but the wrong album. Another phrase heavy in the Rock, Metal, Hip Hop and Punk genres is "poser".

"Yo, what you listening to?"
"its this new dope track from R Kelly"
".......you a poser"

Or

"I am really enjoying this new Korn album"
"go back to spice girls you poser"

Sometimes though, you will find the minefield of elitist acceptance defies what you even understand to be reality.

"I am going to see Cradle of Filth tonight, should be great!"
"dude thats just poser pop shit, its no different to britney spears"
"but he has facepaint on and screams and everything is played at stupid speeds, I really dont think this is pop music, in fact I am sure of it"
"nah dude you just dont get it, they were cool one the first album that sounded like shit and no one heard of, but now its poser crap. You need to broaden your horizens and listen to stuff like Underground Redux and (a).I.D, thats true music"
"I dont think those bands even exist, they dont sound real....."

So as you can see, becoming accepted by the elites is near enough impossible and pointless, best to ignore them.

(do not get me started on audiophiles. No, your 25k system is not actually any better than a correctly set up system that costs less than a 30th of that. I know you think gold cables matter, but its been proven, scientifically that their IS NO DIFFERENCE! You dont care what they say, you can HEAR it yourself? You know who else talks like that, people who believe in god. Enjoy the company with your shit LPs that sound different because you are comparing them to a cheap pair of shit laptop speakers with a different set up.)

LM are you talking about those who read Q magazine, Uncut or the NME?