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Old 15-12-2014, 09:33
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For example, a little while back I was going to buy a compilation of music, that featured some classics and greatest songs within a certain genre from back in the early 90s. Now, I was born in the early 90s and it wasn't a genre my parents ever listened to, therefore when I was a kid, I had no idea the genre even existed but when I did discover it and got into it about 5 years ago now, I thought this compilation would be a good place to start learning about the history of the genre...
If there's one thing that annoys me, it's people talking about genres. Who cares what classification some kind of "commander on high" arbitrarily allocates to a piece of music?

Since you started it, exactly what is this mysterious "genre" that you managed to cram three times in one sentence without actually defining it?
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Old 15-12-2014, 19:14
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I don’t think someone who listens to The Beatles is automatically better than someone who listens to Cheryl Cole. However, it’s a fact that The Beatles are highly respected and influential while Cheryl Cole isn’t and never will be.

If someone on this forum started a thread asking people to list the albums they consider the best of all time (not their favourite) there would be certain individuals who would list albums by The Saturdays, Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, Miley Cyrus, Spice Girls, Cheryl Cole, etc. Why does everything on this forum always revolve around disposable pop music? Ask any question and the same people will always respond with the same pop stars for an answer. I’m not saying people aren’t well within their right to listen to any of those pop stars, but it does prove that some people have a very, very limited taste in music. Listen to what you want to listen to but don’t pretend like any of those pop stars are truly amazing or groundbreaking. If anything get a little perspective.

Most people find that their taste in music improves and matures as they grow up, but I guess some people never grow out of that teeny bopper phase. Personally I think it's a bit strange when a dude listens to generic pop music past the age of about 13 or 14. At my age, I'd feel embarrassed listening to any of the pop stars I've mentioned above. I also can't imagine any of my mates turning around and asking the rest of the group if we'd heard the new single by any of them.
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Old 15-12-2014, 23:57
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There will always be a hierarchy of knowledge of music taste because there are many people who know how music is produced and constructed. Notably, musicians, producers and vocalists. They are just expressing their expertise.
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Old 16-12-2014, 06:59
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I don’t think someone who listens to The Beatles is automatically better than someone who listens to Cheryl Cole. However, it’s a fact that The Beatles are highly respected and influential while Cheryl Cole isn’t and never will be.

If someone on this forum started a thread asking people to list the albums they consider the best of all time (not their favourite) there would be certain individuals who would list albums by The Saturdays, Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, Miley Cyrus, Spice Girls, Cheryl Cole, etc. Why does everything on this forum always revolve around disposable pop music? Ask any question and the same people will always respond with the same pop stars for an answer. I’m not saying people aren’t well within their right to listen to any of those pop stars, but it does prove that some people have a very, very limited taste in music. Listen to what you want to listen to but don’t pretend like any of those pop stars are truly amazing or groundbreaking. If anything get a little perspective.

Most people find that their taste in music improves and matures as they grow up, but I guess some people never grow out of that teeny bopper phase. Personally I think it's a bit strange when a dude listens to generic pop music past the age of about 13 or 14. At my age, I'd feel embarrassed listening to any of the pop stars I've mentioned above. I also can't imagine any of my mates turning around and asking the rest of the group if we'd heard the new single by any of them.
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Old 16-12-2014, 11:16
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I have been around a little while and grew up listening to the likes of The Beatles during the 60s and "rock/prog" music during the 70s & onwards. I also like early blues from the 1930s, Robert Johnson for example, as well soul music from the likes of Otis Redding, Sam & Dave. Occasionally I listen to a little jazz from Ella Fitzgerald.

I just listen to what I like. I have no interest in rap, boybands or Cheryl Cole (or whatever her name is this week). It is probably an age or generation thing I suppose. For those who do like that particular genre of music then good luck to you. As long as you enjoy it who gives a rat's arse what anyone else thinks.
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Old 16-12-2014, 16:20
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I don’t think someone who listens to The Beatles is automatically better than someone who listens to Cheryl Cole. However, it’s a fact that The Beatles are highly respected and influential while Cheryl Cole isn’t and never will be.

If someone on this forum started a thread asking people to list the albums they consider the best of all time (not their favourite) there would be certain individuals who would list albums by The Saturdays, Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, Miley Cyrus, Spice Girls, Cheryl Cole, etc. Why does everything on this forum always revolve around disposable pop music? Ask any question and the same people will always respond with the same pop stars for an answer. I’m not saying people aren’t well within their right to listen to any of those pop stars, but it does prove that some people have a very, very limited taste in music. Listen to what you want to listen to but don’t pretend like any of those pop stars are truly amazing or groundbreaking. If anything get a little perspective.

Most people find that their taste in music improves and matures as they grow up, but I guess some people never grow out of that teeny bopper phase. Personally I think it's a bit strange when a dude listens to generic pop music past the age of about 13 or 14. At my age, I'd feel embarrassed listening to any of the pop stars I've mentioned above. I also can't imagine any of my mates turning around and asking the rest of the group if we'd heard the new single by any of them.
To be fair, I think most of the male fans of that type of music are gay. I'm open to being corrected on that though.
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Old 16-12-2014, 16:29
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Why just enjoy what you like and don't care about what others think.

My daughter (13) can't stand my music, but my other daughter (7) loves The Beatles & Prince, as well as the Frozen soundtrack...it's all an age thing as people get older there music tastes change, some of the things I listened to in the 80's is just crap, but I used to like it.

If somebody likes metal I can hardly see them going onto to like RnB, they might like the odd song but that will be about it...I personally don't like either.
It isn't unusual for a Metal fan to like R 'n' B, but that would be Rythmn and Blues and not what passes for RnB these days....
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Old 16-12-2014, 16:31
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It isn't unusual for a Metal fan to like R 'n' B, but that would be Rythmn and Blues and not what passes for RnB these days....
Rubbish & Bollox?
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Old 16-12-2014, 16:37
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No, I read your post and as you spoke of true fans of certain genres of music I went with hardcore punk and metal fans and their dislike of so-called power pop or nu metal bands. (their labels) Most of these are white, male.

Many 'real music' fans cite artists such as PJ Harvey, Bjork etc so there isn't a gender bias as far as i can see. Funk music and soul music probably features in most music snobs lists too so the race bias isn't likely either.
"Real music" to me is music written and made by musicians using real instruments who can also play it live. Music where the instruments are replicated via a computer or by sampling, for example, doesn't constitute "real music" to me. Other people like it, which is fine, but for me it does nothing at all. Creed, race, and/or gender, have nothing to do with it.
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Old 16-12-2014, 16:38
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Rubbish & Bollox?
Hahahaha THAT did make me laugh!!!!
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Old 16-12-2014, 16:41
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I know exactly what you mean, the type I have found are the ones that like obscure white male bands as well - dismiss immediately any other music because they 'don't play their own instruments' or 'don't write their own music' therefore have 'no talent' . I don't care whether the artist has talent so to speak, it has no bearing if I like the song. By all means say you don't like One Direction because you are not keen on that style of music but to say it is not real music is being a closed minded music snob!
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Old 16-12-2014, 17:12
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I hate music snobs, by all means say you don't like certain genres artists or songs but don't dismiss them as not being real
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Old 16-12-2014, 17:15
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I know exactly what you mean, the type I have found are the ones that like obscure white male bands as well - dismiss immediately any other music because they 'don't play their own instruments' or 'don't write their own music' therefore have 'no talent' . I don't care whether the artist has talent so to speak, it has no bearing if I like the song. By all means say you don't like One Direction because you are not keen on that style of music but to say it is not real music is being a closed minded music snob!
Though with One Direction music is even stretching it
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Old 16-12-2014, 17:18
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The "Elites" are ever present, pay them no attention as they are worth none. They are the same people that when you say "hey I found this really cool band I like, you should check it out" and they reply "yeah I used to like them, but now they are making crap pop music".

You can actually plot a very simple graph to show how this whole system works, but it works like this:

Band Popularity is inverse to the cool factor. The more popular, the less cool. More obscure, more cool.

You also have to look at "faux pas", this is such things as calling that genres royalty rubbish, or liking the wrong thing. Its not always as simple as the right band, it could be the wrong album from a band which is otherwise well respected.

A few examples to explain my point:

"Do you like even, like Slayer?"
"yeah, I loved God Hates Us All"
".............AAARRRRRGHHHHHHHHH"

You see, the right band, but the wrong album. Another phrase heavy in the Rock, Metal, Hip Hop and Punk genres is "poser".

"Yo, what you listening to?"
"its this new dope track from R Kelly"
".......you a poser"

Or

"I am really enjoying this new Korn album"
"go back to spice girls you poser"

Sometimes though, you will find the minefield of elitist acceptance defies what you even understand to be reality.

"I am going to see Cradle of Filth tonight, should be great!"
"dude thats just poser pop shit, its no different to britney spears"
"but he has facepaint on and screams and everything is played at stupid speeds, I really dont think this is pop music, in fact I am sure of it"
"nah dude you just dont get it, they were cool one the first album that sounded like shit and no one heard of, but now its poser crap. You need to broaden your horizens and listen to stuff like Underground Redux and (a).I.D, thats true music"
"I dont think those bands even exist, they dont sound real....."

So as you can see, becoming accepted by the elites is near enough impossible and pointless, best to ignore them.

(do not get me started on audiophiles. No, your 25k system is not actually any better than a correctly set up system that costs less than a 30th of that. I know you think gold cables matter, but its been proven, scientifically that their IS NO DIFFERENCE! You dont care what they say, you can HEAR it yourself? You know who else talks like that, people who believe in god. Enjoy the company with your shit LPs that sound different because you are comparing them to a cheap pair of shit laptop speakers with a different set up.)
Great post! Thank you and I totally agree
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Old 16-12-2014, 17:24
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If there's one thing that annoys me, it's people talking about genres. Who cares what classification some kind of "commander on high" arbitrarily allocates to a piece of music?

Since you started it, exactly what is this mysterious "genre" that you managed to cram three times in one sentence without actually defining it?
What? I get what you mean, I get annoyed when people create so many different sub genres etc. And are so specific about categorising music but actually separating things by genre does help, it makes it easier to find similar stuff and I would never of come across some of the music I have, especially some good old music, if it wasn't divided into genres. I used the word genre because I didn't want to say what music it was. Is that ok? Music can be a personal thing.
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Old 16-12-2014, 17:27
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This thread wasn't about music snobbery as such, I was more asking if anyone had noticed there are certain people that act like they are superior musically, yet the only music they will ever recommend as real music is all by white male bands, when women and black people have made great music that can definitely be classed as REAL too. (Even though all music is real)
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Old 17-12-2014, 09:09
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The "Elites" are ever present, pay them no attention as they are worth none. They are the same people that when you say "hey I found this really cool band I like, you should check it out" and they reply "yeah I used to like them, but now they are making crap pop music".

You can actually plot a very simple graph to show how this whole system works, but it works like this:

Band Popularity is inverse to the cool factor. The more popular, the less cool. More obscure, more cool.

You also have to look at "faux pas", this is such things as calling that genres royalty rubbish, or liking the wrong thing. Its not always as simple as the right band, it could be the wrong album from a band which is otherwise well respected.

A few examples to explain my point:

"Do you like even, like Slayer?"
"yeah, I loved God Hates Us All"
".............AAARRRRRGHHHHHHHHH"

You see, the right band, but the wrong album. Another phrase heavy in the Rock, Metal, Hip Hop and Punk genres is "poser".

"Yo, what you listening to?"
"its this new dope track from R Kelly"
".......you a poser"

Or

"I am really enjoying this new Korn album"
"go back to spice girls you poser"

Sometimes though, you will find the minefield of elitist acceptance defies what you even understand to be reality.

"I am going to see Cradle of Filth tonight, should be great!"
"dude thats just poser pop shit, its no different to britney spears"
"but he has facepaint on and screams and everything is played at stupid speeds, I really dont think this is pop music, in fact I am sure of it"
"nah dude you just dont get it, they were cool one the first album that sounded like shit and no one heard of, but now its poser crap. You need to broaden your horizens and listen to stuff like Underground Redux and (a).I.D, thats true music"
"I dont think those bands even exist, they dont sound real....."

So as you can see, becoming accepted by the elites is near enough impossible and pointless, best to ignore them.
Do you know, in 40 years of listening to music I've never heard anyone have anything like the "conversations" you have suggested above.

Are you seriously telling me, though, you have never, ever, pulled a friends leg about their taste in music?

My friends & I often do. It doesn't make us music snobs, it makes us mates enjoying each others company and having a laugh.

(do not get me started on audiophiles. No, your 25k system is not actually any better than a correctly set up system that costs less than a 30th of that. I know you think gold cables matter, but its been proven, scientifically that their IS NO DIFFERENCE! You dont care what they say, you can HEAR it yourself? You know who else talks like that, people who believe in god. Enjoy the company with your shit LPs that sound different because you are comparing them to a cheap pair of shit laptop speakers with a different set up.)
The problem is it is rare to hear a correctly set up system because most people don't care as long as it sounds "alright", someone spending £25k on a system is much more likely to set their system up properly to get the best in their investment.

I have a good quality system that is correctly set up because, guess what, I can afford it. If you have an issue with that it is your problem, not mine.
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Old 17-12-2014, 10:22
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This thread wasn't about music snobbery as such, I was more asking if anyone had noticed there are certain people that act like they are superior musically, yet the only music they will ever recommend as real music is all by white male bands, when women and black people have made great music that can definitely be classed as REAL too. (Even though all music is real)
Yet there are plenty of people who are like this when it comes to music of black origin too...
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