It's funny because some popstars have these massive peaks and troughs throughout their careers, whilst others spend years/albums building up a fanbase before they hit the bigtime, and then there's even those who are always sort of 'around' but never become a superstar. Gaga epitomises the first one, she basically soared to fame straight away, leaving impossible to out-do herself. And there was no way she could sustain that high, which is why she literally broke (her hip) and has come crashing down.

It's just a shame ARTPOP wasn't the comeback it ought to have been, on account of bad managment and poor single choices. Venus ought to have been released as it was planned, in the October of 2013, instead of DWUW, which could've waited until early 2014. Then we would've gotten a video for both and would've have had to suffer G.U.Y.

Personally, I wish she wouldn't waste her valuable popstar 'youth years' singing Granny jazz songs with TB, but she does seem more settled and much happier. But she really needs to make the next album a BIG comeback. She'll always have her die-hard fans (like me!) but that won't be enough to ensure a lifelong career unfortunately.

I was a big fan but after ARTPOP i have given up, the album is in no way as good as the fame monster or born this way.

The single choices and videos were all messed up, there was not one stand out song.

She needs to tone it down a little now and write some great pop hits and perhaps go back to working with redone but move away from the rave club style of producing to mor simplistic pop. I can see her doing an amazing power ballard.

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You gave up after one bad album in three?

What a big fan you must be!!!!!

Put it like this..as a guy who has been a Madonna fan like forever...Gaga is the ONLY current "new Gen" female popstar whose albums I buy off the bat. I STILL think she has way more talent, musical credibility and charisma than Katy, Miley, Taylor Swift etc etc...

Will she be a Cyndi Lauper or a Madonna...only time will tell.

That's interesting and I agree.

The weird thing is though, Cyndi is still about and has fans doesn't she? (I don't really know much about her) but I see her name crop up quite a bit.

I think even when Gaga is over, she won't exactly be "over" because she has too many fans

While Cyndi hasn't had a hit in a long time and her albums do not sell well, she is still successful. Critics adore her more now, then they did back in the 80's. Bring Ya To The Brink and Memphis In Blues were critically acclaimed and both bagged grammy nominations. Her tours are always sell outs. Last year, she celebrated the 30th anniversary of her debut with a re-release and a tour. Plus she won a tony for writing the music to the Kinky Boots musical. Plus she is heavily involved in LGBT charity and events.

She has become a bit of a cult artist. Not commericially successful, but she has a fierce loyal fanbase and still highly respected.

IMO Lady gaga has gottenbetter and better with each release....ARTPOP to me feels light years ahead of what she recorded and released from The Fame which felt to me like gwen stefani, Britney demos....some of which indeed were....Electropop with some minor glam rock influence and snappy catchy lyrics....done deal....but from The Fame Onwards her music for me got more and more interesting and detailed....when you hear productions there are all these sounds in the background and hidden layers, lyrics clever-er and her voice just continually improve on each release.

Born This Way convinced me how versatile she was and is as a pop artist....and to date is my favourite album of hers...though ARTPOP in many ways almost equalled it....I adore the darker vibes and layers to her stuff of late..


Her songs were incredible on ARTPOP each one could have been released...in many ways i was gutted AURA was not released soon after it was leaked on the internet it is IMMENSE ....ah well.

Anyway another thing is after Lady gaga "peaked" in 2009 we have had a surplus of mainstream female popstars bringing in "pop events" Katy Perry, Miley Cyrus, RIhanna (whom I do actually love) Ariana grande, Iggy Azealia, and as a massive surprise this year Taylor Swift have all kinda matched and eclpised her of late...not to mention pop veterans Britney and Beyonky and P!nk also selling and promoting and competing too.

It is just to be in the POP scene you have to be A game if you want to secure review success, commercial success with singles/albums and have infectious visuals/imagery....and ARTPOP coul/should have gone there last year but unfortunately it didnt...her "hip" i feel was a metaphor and an actuality.....BUT POP also is never an end.

Look at the amount of backlash and criticism and negativity Madonna has faced the past 33 years, not to mention everything thrown at Michael Jackson and Prince etc....and Bowie too who faced a massive fall down mid 80s - mid 90s, Cher and Tina Turner have been around forever....heck Cher i think has had the most YO YO of a career....i think gaga can learn so much.

She just needs to ensure next time she really reinvents herself...her Jazz standards really seems to be working although again not commercially successful she is having fun and making so many appearences and performances out of it.

I just hope that she just lives her life bit, gets creative....leaves behind these negative people (DJ White Shadow leaves me quesy with what he posts, Terry Richardson is a very unnerving character) and move forward I can imagine her doing a really innovative retro pop influenced album with insane imagery and promo...she just needs to find the right way

The Fame has a very Gwen Stefani vibe I think, I like it, however I think it's not too comparable. Sometimes Gaga sounds like Stefani on some of the tracks, I particularly think this on 'MANiCURE' from ARTPOP.

I don't know whether it is true or not but I'm pretty sure 'The Fame' vocals were dubbed to sound quite light and "fluffy", pop sounding, nothing too harsh. Either that or Gaga did really sing in a lighter key. (for example, Paparazzi (album version) compared to live performances are much different vocally)

Of course she can return, but when she will surround herself by yes people and continue this pseudo-artistic pretense, I doubt it.


I think that even if she is unable to come back to top, she will continue to make music and have some moderate success and core fanbase for the rest of her life, just like Cyndi.

Memphis in Blues was mostly panned and Bring Ya To The Brink gets solid if unspectacular reviews - neither were critically acclaimed (certainly Memphis wasn't!).

She wont be a Cyndi ! Cyndi had 3 memorable hits ...Gaga so far 11 massive hits. Maybe somewhere near Madonna if she has one or two more hit albums or several hit singles

I would class myself as a casual listener of music. I don't get crazy about songs or albums, so from my perspective Gaga has been fun, lighthearted to start with. She had some very catchy songs that you could easily listen to and dance to over and over again. It was her public persona that irked me. I felt like she was talented enough to let her music do the talking, and not the distracting outfits and her pro-gay rights stance. I happen to be gay, but I felt her constantly go on and on and on about her "gays" was just exploitative and off-putting. I am still a casual fan of music and there's only a few artists I will go out and buy their albums straight away. Madonna being one of them. I can't see Gaga ever getting into that same group though. I'm not saying she is lame, I'm just not as enthused by her as I could be.

Huh.......

IMO every artist has the opportunity to comeback and be successful as long as they learn and can acknowledge their mistakes or if they stand by there music which wasn't as popular they don't play the victim or blame game. It was always going to be difficult for her to maintain the level of popularity however I don't think there has ever been such a rise to fame and fall of popularity so quickly. its easy to use Madonna as a comparison as globally she is most successful artist and is most probably the only female pop star that has maintained the longest running successful career at such a high level. Even though Madonna's career has had highs and lows overall her sales have declined over a thirty year period compared to Lady Gagas huge drop so quickly. I personally find the comparisons to Cyndi Lauper odd as Lady Gaga has way surpassed the level of fame and success CL ever had. CL only really had one huge global hit and a few other big successes.
IMO Lady Gaga didn't make one or two mistakes but made a succession of mistakes. Yes we all loved the whacky costumes and way out there freshness of The Fame but you really have to have a connection with the broad spectrum of casual buyers and majority of your fans. Unfortunately I think Lady Gaga has surpassed MJ for just ridiculousness so the majority of people just can't connect or want to. While the Media and your fans can create a massive hype it's always dangerous when an artist believes their own hype and hypes themselves and music promising things that don't deliver The whole Art Pop debacle. The promise of releases then constant delays or just not delivering anything at all. Artpop and Cheek to Cheek both suffered numerous delays whilst rumoured release dates and non confirmed rumoured releases always happen. When your own PR and record company are the ones putting out release dates fans are generally unforgiving especially when it arrives over a year later and it's just average. The cancelling of the American leg of her tour, whilst this may have been on medical grounds to just cancel and not delay or reschedual showed a lack of integrity or respect for your fans. Whilst it might have been unavoidable it appeared they didn't even try to reschedule but just cancelled. kylie was diagnosed with cancer and cancelled, had two years treatment and picked up where she left off. So live Nation really had no excuse. What has then added further insult was the Art Rave so after she basically panned her own album by saying she wasn't happy,lost her way in music, lost her passion, blamed her management and Staff saying she was betrayed, blah blah blah she was happy to tour and expect people to pay to listen to it.
I do think that the softer less aggressive release of Cheek to Cheek was a good decision and hopefully she will keep it toned down for her next release to try and win people back. If she releases the right album and has the right single then of course she can climb back up. I do think it will be a lot harder for her because of how muddled her career has become. She has tried to hard to encompass as many fan bases as she can when overall the constant redirection and focus on her music as suffered as she has alienated core groups within the market.

I think she'll keep going but she'll be a background act, someone who people are aware, younger generations won't get why she's even famous/believe she was as big as she was for that 18 month period or so where she just exploded.

She is the prime example of believing her own hype, to her own detriment.

The Fame/Fame Monster were by far her best work. Then she decided she wasn't a singer/performer anymore, she was a leader and activist and that seemed to overtake everything else. Her issue is she wasn't leading all of the people who were massively into her music in the first place, she was leading a subsection of them, and those she left behind, subsequently left her behind too when the quality dropped.

BTW and Artpop have far too much filler on them, she seems to have even lost the huge industry support she had, she used to get to perform on any tv show, rarely see her these days.

Dance in the Dark, Speechless and Paparazzi will always be her strongest work, and performances for me. Glad I saw her during the Monster ball, she had started on her "we're all freaks in here" stuff (wasn't a massive fan of that, I enjoyed her music, didn't think of myself as a freak until she told me I was one for being there) but thankfully it wasn't at the forefront.

The only way she could possibly get back on top is if someone takes full control of her career for her. She's shown that she hasn't got the ability to manage herself as well as professionals did.

She has peaked imo

The big question is: will she learn from her mistakes??
Its not looking promising at the mo.
She's unlikely to return with a big album until 2016 (poss even later) & a lot of the 18-30 market will have moved on to other artists & she'll be seen as a "remember them?" act.
As for the teeny market many of them won't even really know her and she'll be pushing 30 by then so she won't feel relevant.
A big come back IS possible but I think a lot of Gaga fans are kidding themselves about the probability of this.