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The Apprentice - Episode 10 - Premium Puddings Wednesday 10th December
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thenetworkbabe
10-12-2014
Originally Posted by CaseyKlein:
“does she prove that they dont pick candidates for their business plan but more for their personality.”

No she had the best record on the show. Good at most things, and had strong business strengths. Roisin has just pulled ahead. The rest are pretty bad or invisible.
vixyvic
10-12-2014
Saffron diffuser
mazzy50
10-12-2014
Originally Posted by miss buzzybee:
“Daniel will get destroyed at the interview.”

I do hope so after his behaviour.
slouchingthatch
10-12-2014
My weekly thoughts ... Link
Dix
10-12-2014
Audience would have Hired her.
Pressie is a Saffron Diffuser.
Next week's trailer looks very interesting, bring it on, and one of the best tasks ever.

Hey Claude, look very closely at Mark, as he cheated with those 7 hottubs.
prehensile
10-12-2014
Was that Ricky wossname the part-time wrestler and previous winner doing the interviews next week ?

edit: Ricky Martin was it ?
CaseyKlein
10-12-2014
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“No she had the best record on the show. Good at most things, and had strong business strengths. Roisin has just pulled ahead. The rest are pretty bad or invisible.”

i meant that it didnt matter if she won every task at a canter she would not win the show with that plan.

raisin was a cert to win from the board game task and it doesnt matter who shes up against unless of course they have some genius plan
Super_Furry
10-12-2014
7 candidates left going into tonight's task, but 'The Final Five' had already appeared on my Sky planner for next Tuesday.

What a surprise double firing THAT was!
Super_Furry
10-12-2014
Originally Posted by Kim P:
“I don't know why people are claiming Daniel was useless this week. Nick stated that the client's were impressed with him.”

To be fair to him, he did notice that the 2nd pitch was stagnating and jumped in. Same with the 3rd pitch.

Maybe it wasn't what Roisin wanted, but it worked and they got orders from both.

As much of a prick as he's been for a lot of the series, he's been pretty good in the past couple of weeks and I can see him in the final against Roisin.

Least impressive final 5 that I can remember though.
LauraLS
10-12-2014
Roisin and Bianca's self-assurance that they were the strongest two on the team with no credit to Daniel and Solomon was grating this week, glad Nick stepped in to say Solomon did well with the branding.
oathy
10-12-2014
seriously the fact she didn't know how expensive Saffron is didn't bode well for her catering knowledge. Gok Wan was in Prague a few weeks ago for This morning and the Saffron market out there sells the stuff much cheaper it trades as expensive as Gold in some countries and she wanted to try and make that a main ingredient in a supermarket desert?
Super_Furry
10-12-2014
Oh, and Brady calling out Sanjay for what he said about Bianca was unnecessarily bitchy and out of order.
She wasn't even there at the time and essentially told tales after watching the footage.
The candidates always slag each other off, but this is the first time that I can recall one of the aidea deliberately bringing it up in the boardroom - and for no productive reason either.

Never liked Brady, but congratulations to her on her peerage for services to the porn industry...
slouchingthatch
10-12-2014
Originally Posted by Super_Furry:
“Oh, and Brady calling out Sanjay for what he said about Bianca was unnecessarily bitchy and out of order.
She wasn't even there at the time and essentially told tales after watching the footage.
The candidates always slag each other off, but this is the first time that I can recall one of the aidea deliberately bringing it up in the boardroom - and for no productive reason either.

Never liked Brady, but congratulations to her on her peerage for services to the porn industry...”

Nope, Karren was in the room when Sanjay said it - we switched directly to a reaction shot of her screwing her face up in distaste.
Super_Furry
10-12-2014
Originally Posted by slouchingthatch:
“Nope, Karren was in the room when Sanjay said it - we switched directly to a reaction shot of her screwing her face up in distaste.”

Which was probably edited in later to back up what she said in the boardroom.
slouchingthatch
10-12-2014
Originally Posted by Super_Furry:
“Which was probably edited in later to back up what she said in the boardroom.”

Really? It's fairly clear she's sitting in the same room. Also, no one sees the footage in the immediate aftermath of the task - it isn't edited together, even in rough cut form, until much, much later.
SULLA
11-12-2014
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“Mark is telling them their own business...........”

Waffling in other words

Originally Posted by Fayecorgasm:
“I quite like Bianca she keeps her head when all about are losing theirs”

She has a big head to keep.

Originally Posted by anyonefortennis:
“Katie digging herself into a hole.”

She chose the wrong two to take in with her

Originally Posted by koantemplation:
“Yay 5 Million gym memberships in the UK and most of them are in London.”

People go to a gym. End of story.

Originally Posted by Katenutzs:
“Think melud likes Katie”

but only as a potential employee.

Originally Posted by Old Endeavour:
“Exactly! It's all about their business ideas which pre-empts next week's show.”

Mark was kind enough to tell this to the others

Originally Posted by R82n8:
“Why put her in the process in the first place?”

Primarily, it's an entertainment show

Originally Posted by square_eyes:
“This is a farce, they may as well just judge them on their business plans at the outset and not bother with all the tasks and the 10 week process (or however long)

Katie never stood a chance anyway with that business plan.”

True

Originally Posted by Annsyre:
“Lord Sugar acted as her sponsor when she went to the House of Lords. They sit on opposite sides.

Full title

The Baroness Brady CBE”

Not to be called Baron Karen

Originally Posted by koantemplation:
“The Business plans should be vetted before they choose the candidates for the show.

All the plans should be viable and what Lord Sugar would want.”

Not enough good ideas.

Originally Posted by Psycho_Ned:
“The show has been a charade ever since the format changed to him giving them money for their business plan. He knows exactly which 2 or 3 people he's going to go with from the start all the rest of them are just there for the lols and to be cannon fodder in the early weeks.”

The purpose of the program is entertainment, not to give someone £250K
thenetworkbabe
11-12-2014
Originally Posted by oathy:
“seriously the fact she didn't know how expensive Saffron is didn't bode well for her catering knowledge. Gok Wan was in Prague a few weeks ago for This morning and the Saffron market out there sells the stuff much cheaper it trades as expensive as Gold in some countries and she wanted to try and make that a main ingredient in a supermarket desert?”

She's not a cook. Nor is she ever going to have saffron on her menus. She just needs a chef and a nutritionist, an idea of what price range to aim for, and some food tasters to check the result.

His issue isn't that , from what he said, his valid question would be if its wise to change direction, or to offer something you know inside out? But he's all over the place on that. He chose Yasmina for moving into a different field, but told Helen she should have stayed in baking, and Roisin is trying for the same move into the same new field as Katie was - and logically equally doomed.

Equally, he came up with argument last year that Francesca couldn't scale up her dance clubs - which made no sense -but which almost certainly would have been reapplied if Katie had offered to expand her fitness clubs. Katie didn't have a real option there either.

i think the big issue is becoming clear - and its maximum returns for little effort. Tom had the nailfile ready to go at minimal cost. Leah offers her services at twice what my overpaid dentist or solicitor charges. .. There's no doubt any of his winners can do whats needed. He's just not interested in internet ideas that might take off, or bridal shops, or restaurants-, or fitness or dance clubs, or old folks homes, or specialist services he can't iunderstand. .
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chrono88
11-12-2014
They really need to change the format. Felt bad for Sanjay
doe_a_deer
11-12-2014
Lord Sugar's put down about having been to McDonalds was brilliant but I felt a bit sad that it was directed at Katie. Would have been a good put down to one of the egos of the series - Mark, Daniel, James - but Katie seems a nice, humble girl so it was a pity she had to be on the receiving end of that.


The business plans shouldn't be relevant at this stage. That is what the interview week is for. Fair enough the producers of the show seeing their business plans when selecting candidates to appear on the show in the first place but Lord Sugar shouldn't even see their business plans until the interview week at the earliest or possibly even the final otherwise it renders the whole process pointless. He certainly shouldn't have been using them as criteria for firing people this week, that defeats the purpose of next week. Bizarre.
SULLA
11-12-2014
Originally Posted by doe_a_deer:
“Lord Sugar's put down about having been to McDonalds was brilliant but I felt a bit sad that it was directed at Katie. Would have been a good put down to one of the egos of the series - Mark, Daniel, James - but Katie seems a nice, humble girl so it was a pity she had to be on the receiving end of that.


The business plans shouldn't be relevant at this stage. That is what the interview week is for. Fair enough the producers of the show seeing their business plans when selecting candidates to appear on the show in the first place but Lord Sugar shouldn't even see their business plans until the interview week at the earliest or possibly even the final otherwise it renders the whole process pointless. He certainly shouldn't have been using them as criteria for firing people this week, that defeats the purpose of next week. Bizarre.”

It was late in the series and he had to get rid of 2. She was i/c and lost.
Scarlet O'Hara
11-12-2014
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“She's not a cook. Nor is she ever going to have saffron on her menus. She just needs a chef and a nutritionist, an idea of what price range to aim for, and some food tasters to check the result.

His issue isn't that , from what he said, his valid question would be if its wise to change direction, or to offer something you know inside out? But he's all over the place on that. He chose Yasmina for moving into a different field, but told Helen she should have stayed in baking, and Roisin is trying for the same move into the same new field as Katie was - and logically equally doomed.

Equally, he came up with argument last year that Francesca couldn't scale up her dance clubs - which made no sense -but which almost certainly would have been reapplied if Katie had offered to expand her fitness clubs. Katie didn't have a real option there either.

i think the big issue is becoming clear - and its maximum returns for little effort. Tom had the nailfile ready to go at minimal cost. Leah offers her services at twice what my overpaid dentist or solicitor charges. .. There's no doubt any of his winners can do whats needed. He's just not interested in internet ideas that might take off, or bridal shops, or restaurants-, or fitness or dance clubs, or old folks homes, or specialist services he can't iunderstand. .
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As a restaurant owner, she would need to have a decent palette though, an idea of which of the dishes taste good, confident decision-making, rather than relying on her chef. She got her product wrong tastewise AND she chose the priciest ingredients. He'd be nuts to invest given that these are two key dependencies her business would rely on. As I watched her tasting ingredients then in the kitchen even I was thinking "uh oh, that's not good" given her business idea and I'm not the one investing in her.

I said weeks ago I thought Katie was limited and would struggle to lead a more complex task but she would make someone a great 2ic. I agreed with Sugar's decision and his rationale. She's a grafter, a pragmatist, a good steady teammate, she follows instructions and she can negotiate, but intellectually and strategically, she never shone for me. Not to the tune of 250k. She hasn't demonstrated the experience and skills he'd need to be assured that not only could she set up and run ONE business but scale it up nationwide.

She'd need to be extraordinary to make her business plan work and Sugar knew it. Is there a gap in the market for healthy restaurants? Yes, good idea, but it's niche and the location/demographic would be critical. Do I think she could run one small restaurant in Sunderland? Maybe at a push, although more experienced folk than her, including michelin chefs, have had great restaurants collapse. Could she turn it into a profitable nationwide chain? Absolutely no way. If experienced foodies and restauranteurs can't do it, there's no chance Katie would.

I'm surprised more people don't see Sugar was ultimately right.
slouchingthatch
11-12-2014
Originally Posted by Scarlet O'Hara:
“As a restaurant owner, she would need to have a decent palette though, an idea of which of the dishes taste good, confident decision-making, rather than relying on her chef. She got her product wrong tastewise AND she chose the priciest ingredients. He'd be nuts to invest given that these are two key dependencies her business would rely on. As I watched her tasting ingredients then in the kitchen even I was thinking "uh oh, that's not good" given her business idea and I'm not the one investing in her.

I said weeks ago I thought Katie was limited and would struggle to lead a more complex task but she would make someone a great 2ic. I agreed with Sugar's decision and his rationale. She's a grafter, a pragmatist, a good steady teammate, she follows instructions and she can negotiate, but intellectually and strategically, she never shone for me. Not to the tune of 250k. She hasn't demonstrated the experience and skills he'd need to be assured that not only could she set up and run ONE business but scale it up nationwide.

She'd need to be extraordinary to make her business plan work and Sugar knew it. Is there a gap in the market for healthy restaurants? Yes, good idea, but it's niche and the location/demographic would be critical. Do I think she could run one small restaurant in Sunderland? Maybe at a push, although more experienced folk than her, including michelin chefs, have had great restaurants collapse. Could she turn it into a profitable nationwide chain? Absolutely no way. If experienced foodies and restauranteurs can't do it, there's no chance Katie would.

I'm surprised more people don't see Sugar was ultimately right.”

I agree with you. I thought Katie had potential but she proved not to have a broad enough base of business skills.

The restaurant trade is a tough one to crack - you only have to look at the rate at which they close on the high street to know that - and it's hard to see what Katie brings to the party other than the initial idea. I just couldn't see her plan working myself, although I would hazard a guess that it would have the best chances of success in one of the big cities such as London or Manchester - nothing against Sunderland, but I'm just not sure it's where I'd choose to start.
slouchingthatch
11-12-2014
Originally Posted by chrono88:
“They really need to change the format. Felt bad for Sanjay”

Why? For a programme in its tenth series, the ratings are holding up very well. The show doesn't need a hige amount of fixing (even though the format is flawed).

I don't understand why people feel so bad for Sanjay. What has he done over the course of ten weeks to show any real business acumen? And his two stints as PM have been unmitigated disasters - he was terrible on the coach tours task and equally bad last week.
chestfield
11-12-2014
Originally Posted by anyonefortennis:
“Where did she get that term grazing consumers from? Is it another daft Americanism. It's pretty insulting.”

You go grazing round food stalls in, e.g., the Far East

Originally Posted by urt31:
“Health food restaurants struggle in major markets, I don't get how she expects it to work in Sunderland.

Oh, and Sugar agrees.”

I'm old enough to remember "Cranks" (health food etc restaurant chain) that was all the rage from 1961 till it went down the pan, (well only one outlet left)

Originally Posted by ustarion:
“How dare Karen call him Alan. It is Sir Sugar.”

I had a Lord as a client, and he and I were totally relaxed about being on Christian name terms

Originally Posted by anyonefortennis:
“Oh I see thanks. My TV guide was correct after all. There's a whole episode about why he fired them now. Daft.”

"They were rubbish", then 59 minutes of filler, I guess
slouchingthatch
11-12-2014
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“She's not a cook. Nor is she ever going to have saffron on her menus. She just needs a chef and a nutritionist, an idea of what price range to aim for, and some food tasters to check the result.

His issue isn't that , from what he said, his valid question would be if its wise to change direction, or to offer something you know inside out? But he's all over the place on that. He chose Yasmina for moving into a different field, but told Helen she should have stayed in baking, and Roisin is trying for the same move into the same new field as Katie was - and logically equally doomed.

Equally, he came up with argument last year that Francesca couldn't scale up her dance clubs - which made no sense -but which almost certainly would have been reapplied if Katie had offered to expand her fitness clubs. Katie didn't have a real option there either.

i think the big issue is becoming clear - and its maximum returns for little effort. Tom had the nailfile ready to go at minimal cost. Leah offers her services at twice what my overpaid dentist or solicitor charges. .. There's no doubt any of his winners can do whats needed. He's just not interested in internet ideas that might take off, or bridal shops, or restaurants-, or fitness or dance clubs, or old folks homes, or specialist services he can't iunderstand. .
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It's not so much "litt;e effort" as "minimising risk" - risk versus return being the standard investor's mantra. Sugar tends to fall into the category of investors who prefer lower risk (not always, but usually) - he likes familiar markets, products rather than services, businesses which have an intrinsic value (such as having inventory).
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