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Saffron into a pudding is not a good idea.
Not only from a cost perspective. Saffron does not go with jelly and custard. It's a pretty daft mistake, regardless of how good she has been on other tasks. It's a pretty good example of how to commit suicide in the process. |
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But there should always been decent plans. What happens if roisin has a rubbish business idea? We've watched her be the best for 10 weeks for no reason. And daniel could have the best idea? Would he deserve to win?
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Alhough Katie as been one of the best candidates in this series, she was pretty bad tonight as a manager of a food task, in a business task where she might have demonstated why her business plan could work, and so it's understandable why she was fired.
Of the candidates that are remaining, I think we only know about one candidates business plan, Roisin's, which is ready-meals. Will Sugar go for that? Unlikely I think. He's more likely to invest in someone who has a more original and dynamic plan involving new technology, so perhaps Mark or Solomon's, from what we have been led to understand so far. As for Daniel and Bianca, I don't think we have been given any hints as to what they want the investment for, so it wil be interesting to see what that is next week! His argument was that there was no money in food - which may come as a surprise to the restaurant chains. He means not enough money in food . He seems to want Leah's returns of £1200 for 51/3 hours work. or £225- every 6-9 months for 30 minutes work. - not £10-20 per meal. http://www.drleah.co.uk/body-treatme...tion-inch-loss http://www.drleah.co.uk/enhancement-.../facial-filler I supect he also means not unless its in London - where I can drive by it every now and again. |
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I think based on the feedback from the supermarkets, the problem was with the branding, they allowed wriggle room for Roisin's team to tweak the flavours, so the blame had to lie with Mark and Sanjay. Of course had that been the focus rather than their business plans, you can be sure they would've pointed at Katie for going and doing the food rather than the branding like Roisin did.
![]() As for Katie's plan, it's very nice having a restaurant that will earn you a few quid, and I think LAS was being nice to her, the idea that it would be become a worldwide franchise seems incredible. Shame Katie had to go, she was a good candidate, just not a good investment. |
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Why waste 10 weeks of her life when the business would never work.
This is why the new format annoys me. |
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I think based on the feedback from the supermarkets, the problem was with the branding, they allowed wriggle room for Roisin's team to tweak the flavours, so the blame had to lie with Mark and Sanjay. Of course had that been the focus rather than their business plans, you can be sure they would've pointed at Katie for going and doing the food rather than the branding like Roisin did.
![]() As for Katie's plan, it's very nice having a restaurant that will earn you a few quid, and I think LAS was being nice to her, the idea that it would be become a worldwide franchise seems incredible. Shame Katie had to go, she was a good candidate, just not a good investment. |
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A few of them complained of being made public faces of elements of the company rather than being given actual roles.
Stella sued alleging that the role was not as advertised. She lost the case. Yasmina left after one year. Lee left after two and a half years. Simon worked there for three years. Michelle left before the end of the first year. Tim left within two years. I think the issue is that Sugar doesn't really have that big of a business empire to be giving out roles in nowadays. He sold most of it years ago. But yet ex-winners are leaving the job and moving on after being there around the same lengths of time many of us would be after getting sick of a job in our day to day lives. I remember the enthusiasm contestants felt about potentially winning this once in a lifetime position as if it was like winning a million pounds. And I think we too as viewers kind of fell for the illusion. |
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Felt a tad sorry for Katie.
I obviously don't know the situation in Sunderland vis "Healthy" restaurants, but felt her idea so demeaned (after all LS is after "the BIG bucks) could work. Frankly, I do wonder why you allow anyone to hope for a partnership when your prospective partner looks askance at anyone doing profit projections of more than a year ahead. LS seems less like a serious business man and more like a jungle strip miner. |
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Thats because he's greedy though
![]() You could also argue that the show loses credibility if he backs a business that goes under, so you're looking at high rate of returns asap or a high risk venture that if it does fail you can point out it always was a risk. Katie's proposal didn't fall into either category and in fairness she may be better off with a different partner or a bank loan. |
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I think based on the feedback from the supermarkets, the problem was with the branding, they allowed wriggle room for Roisin's team to tweak the flavours, so the blame had to lie with Mark and Sanjay. Of course had that been the focus rather than their business plans, you can be sure they would've pointed at Katie for going and doing the food rather than the branding like Roisin did.
![]() As for Katie's plan, it's very nice having a restaurant that will earn you a few quid, and I think LAS was being nice to her, the idea that it would be become a worldwide franchise seems incredible. Shame Katie had to go, she was a good candidate, just not a good investment. Not to undermine Katie's own ambitions and ideas and the many unknown people who run their own restaurants by hiring the cooks and experts, but as has been mentioned before, AS is looking at the big bucks here. He knows what the competition is if he wants to enter the big time when it comes to restaurants, and knows that Katie's ambitions, admirable as they may be, can never compete on this scale. And with Katie not being a cook and to declare that she intends to scale the business up worldwide from scratch seems wildly unrealistic if she's not Jamie Oliver or Gordon Ramsey. Don't forget that Leah last year actually had the knowledge and knew what she was doing with the cosmetic surgery business. With Leah it wasn't a case of just bringing in people who would know what to do, she herself knew what she was doing. But Katie may do well if she can start up this restaurant in Sunderland and be a successful business. But it just doesn't sound like the sort of big idea that AS would be interested in. He's probably chasing the big money that can be found in the contestant's proposals and looking for ideas which can be scaled up relatively quickly, efficiently and bring in the biggest bang for buck. A restaurant probably isn't going to realistically grow that quickly and it's profits are going to take longer to generate for reinvestment back into the business. The idea to branch it out on a worldwide scale is probably a pie in the sky idea. It was still a surprise to see her go though. As she was many people's favourite, and I think I can stick my neck out and say that most people had her down to be in the top two by quite a clear margin. |
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It wasn't the business idea - as the restaurant could have made money - but he doubted her ability to make it into a successful chain.
All the people who say the prize change has ruined things should remember the following: 1. The business plan prize has been running for years. The sky hasn't fallen in yet. 2. The job prize was largely discredited anyway. Very few winners stayed on long. After the Stella English legal battle it couldn't continue. 3. The tasks are still meaningful in terms of assessing candidates' performance. 4. They are still watching The Apprentice. It's still as entertaining. Does it really matter what the motivation is for choosing the winner? |
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Why was Sanjay even chosen to be on the show at all if LS wasn't confident about the business?
The show was just a joke |
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I think it's more Katie's annoying voice/accent that got her fired. It really grated on me and you could tell it grated on Lord Sugar. He's also anti-northerner I think. You could see him turning is nose up at her having a restaurant in Sunderland, if she'd have said somewhere in LDN his reaction would have been different.
Although she got on my nerves her business plan had got some premise, unhealthy food made healthy. The concept at least was a decent one. |
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Exactly this. The restaurant could have made money and been expanded into a chain or franchises. Her plan was viable but she wasn't capable of implementing it. She said as much on You're Fired.
All the people who say the prize change has ruined things should remember the following: 1. The business plan prize has been running for years. The sky hasn't fallen in yet. 2. The job prize was largely discredited anyway. Very few winners stayed on long. After the Stella English legal battle it couldn't continue. 3. The tasks are still meaningful in terms of assessing candidates' performance. 4. They are still watching The Apprentice. It's still as entertaining. Does it really matter what the motivation is for choosing the winner? You could add that, in the old prize setting, the job probably determined the winner, and/or hisview of what the Apprentice should be,often triumphed over performance, or raw potential. I don't think you can sustain a show though when there's no connect between the result and the tasks. You have finalists with records that have sent others home. You have top performers excluded, on business plan, or on some whim, You may have an unconvincing winner - and, possibly, at best , one who is better than their incompetent opposition. It can then be decided by a plan thats got nothing to do with the tasks . Its like having a football game - where people score points for fouls, or kicking the ball off the sidelines , the rules change by the minute, players vanish at random, and the last standing contestants decide the win by playing chess. Ultimately, i don't think the viewers can invest in the candidates - because who ever you see most merit in may be hauled off at any minute - for no good reason. Good reality TV needs stories that have logics, winning stories for winners, someone to root for, and some point in doing well in the tasks . They seem to have gone the other way, and repeated the failing of other shows, and upped the artificial drama - with multiple firings, more incompetence, and more randomness. At the same time, he has narrowed his definition of what he wants - to the point there can be very few winners. Its just not a very satisfying combination. |
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I think it's more Katie's annoying voice/accent that got her fired. It really grated on me and you could tell it grated on Lord Sugar. He's also anti-northerner I think. You could see him turning is nose up at her having a restaurant in Sunderland, if she'd have said somewhere in LDN his reaction would have been different.
Although she got on my nerves her business plan had got some premise, unhealthy food made healthy. The concept at least was a decent one. |
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It just made it more obvious what they actually do, pick 1-3 business plans he's interested in or are viable and then choose 17 other candidates to fill up the cast with different personalities (cast like Big Brother) who will make entertaining light reality television.
Then when they're actually whittled down to the original chosen 3 then he gets back to selecting the best one for the job/investment. Poor girl being declined on her business plan, they could've done that at the beginning. |
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I feel like it's a two part deal. During their time on the show, candidates prove their business acumen. Whilst part two involves the assessment of their business idea. Granted, if they did part two first, it would save a lot of time. But then, I guess we wouldn't have much of a show.
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Did anyone else notice Karren nodding as LS was giving his firing speech to Katie?
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The production team will inspect the business plans, not Lord Sugar. A ten week tussle for a chance to pitch to big dawg. You get your foot in the door by impressing the elves, and you win the show by impressing Santa. During the "process," you show him your abilities, then show him your ideas.
It was probably a bit of a mistake focusing on their plans so much, this week, because he really did ignore the task in that last boardroom, but it usually seems like a clear and fair format. Even as someone who kind of wanted Katie to win this, I don't get everyone's problem. I agree. LS will only want to invest in someone who makes good choices and shows certain skills and so the tasks show him who he'd be happy to work with and then he can look at the business plans of that group of candidates. It's makes perfect sense. The Dragons always consider personality as well as business plans during pitches. Both have to work. |
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It just made it more obvious what they actually do, pick 1-3 business plans he's interested in or are viable and then choose 17 other candidates to fill up the cast with different personalities (cast like Big Brother) who will make entertaining light reality television.
Then when they're actually whittled down to the original chosen 3 then he gets back to selecting the best one for the job/investment. Poor girl being declined on her business plan, they could've done that at the beginning. Of course, the format could still work if LS didn't have visibility of the business plans, but he would never let that happen in case he ended up with a duffer... the only way it could really go down that direction would be for every candidate to have an LS-approved business plan in advance, but he wouldn't know whose was whose until the interview stage (or even the final), though that would mean finding 12+ viable business plans per year with TV-ready owners, probably not an easy task! (PS at the risk of re-opening old wounds, an extreme and even-more-obvious abuse of this factor is what killed Raymond Blanc's otherwise-excellent "The Restaurant" series, when it changed to a partnership prize, and the blatantly worst team won, clearly because theirs was the business Blanc wanted to invest in...) |
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Interesting that both Sanjay and Katie said on YF that they wouldn't be continuing with their business plans. It could be that they needed the investment, although I didn't think either needed a great deal to start up and Sugs won't give them £250,000 in one hit, so he was right to fire them as they don't have confidence in their ability or a track record with succeeding in their chosen markets.
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I'm glad to see this thread as these were my thoughts exactly. Sugar obviously has no interest in the restaurant sector and made that abundantly clear to Katie so why waste all of her time. It's almost like he set her up to fail in this task, mainly foussing on the fact she hadn't got a blaaady clue about costs for using saffron, which bears no resemblance to her restaurant idea. They were told to create a premium pudding for goodness sake. Are they experts in cooking? No. Could Alan build a crappy Viglen PC if he was given a load of components? Course not! If she had won the task then I imagine he'd have found a spurious reason next week to get rid of her.
Same went for Felipe last week. The show has lost all credibility now as far as finding a good business plan or candidate goes. |
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This was Katie's chance to prove her business plan could work. She wants to promote healthy eating - why not come up with a healthier than usual pudding? If she had done this and then won the task she'd still be in the process with some credibility.
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This was Katie's chance to prove her business plan could work. She wants to promote healthy eating - why not come up with a healthier than usual pudding? If she had done this and then won the task she'd still be in the process with some credibility.
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It just made it more obvious what they actually do, pick 1-3 business plans he's interested in or are viable and then choose 17 other candidates to fill up the cast with different personalities (cast like Big Brother) who will make entertaining light reality television.
Then when they're actually whittled down to the original chosen 3 then he gets back to selecting the best one for the job/investment. Poor girl being declined on her business plan, they could've done that at the beginning. But I think it would be more interesting if it were a true competition and the business plans were stated at the start, then the candidates had to prove that they had a good plan AND were suitable business partners. Felt so sorry for Katie & Sanjay, there really was nothing they could have done in that boardroom, or even in that task for that matter. |
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Lord Sugar swopped Daniel and Sanjay for a reason.
Mark's team loses- and it's Sanjay and Katie fired. Roisins team loses- and it's Bianca and Solomon sent home. It didn't matter to Lord Sugar who lost yesterday- because he had manipulated what he wanted. The people with the business plans he liked (Roisin, Mark, Daniel) could all survive. But- the weakness with it being all about the business plan, is that better people than Daniel have gone home sooner, and were never going to win. |
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