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Old 11-12-2014, 10:59
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Bianca is useless, clearly an also-ran, not articulate at all. She's just like a stoopid 6th form student.

Solomon is just a kid as well. In the pitch talking about giving his Tea Pot as a gift to his student mates after an exam. Hilarious.

Daniel is Daniel. All talk and no trousers. He'd make a great monkey impersonator with that face he pulls.

It's between Mark and Roisin, business plans permitting. Sugar clearly likes the sound of Mark's, well, more so than restaurants and fitness databases.
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Old 11-12-2014, 11:06
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Judging by what we've seen, Roisin seems to be the clear favourite, with Mark & Bianca as vaguely-credible alternative possibilities. However, depending on our personal capacities for second-guessing and conspiracy theories, Daniel & Solomon are either still in it solely for entertainment or comic relief value, or because their business plans are so good LS can't bear to get rid of them... we'll find out soon enough anyway!
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Old 11-12-2014, 12:32
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I'm not so sure that Roisin is a credible winner after this week's performance.
Her (and Bianca's) pitch was poor and surprisingly needed a boost from Daniel. I'm not convinced that she is the right choice to pitch to large groups. In a one-to-one situation she is good, but when a presentation is involved, not so good.
If she gets through to the final presentation, she may just lose out because of this.
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Old 11-12-2014, 14:49
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Judging by what we've seen, Roisin seems to be the clear favourite, with Mark & Bianca as vaguely-credible alternative possibilities. However, depending on our personal capacities for second-guessing and conspiracy theories, Daniel & Solomon are either still in it solely for entertainment or comic relief value, or because their business plans are so good LS can't bear to get rid of them... we'll find out soon enough anyway!
Not sure Roisin's business idea is one Sugar will be interested in. Ready meals? Crowded marketplace, high probability of failure. Sugar may consider it too risky.
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Old 11-12-2014, 14:55
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No doubt Roisin is decent totty .Problem is ,as is so often the case , she's a bit of an airhead and i'm personally quite surprised she's got so far.
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Old 11-12-2014, 19:00
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There's no clear winner at the moment. I'm going to reserve judgement until we hear their business plans.
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Old 11-12-2014, 19:00
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Thats true, and there's been no signposting of any emerging dark horse either. Last year they rewrote their edit of Luisa's first task as PM.- to point out what they had ignored - that she had hown talent there. They then had the week 10 trading up task - which showed her doing probably better than anyone has with that task. They also built up Leah's, week 9, boardroom speech, and pushed that- as Leah making a late run. Add in Neil - who they had been pushing since his "motivational" speech, and they had 3 candidates running well by this stage. This year, there's no horses really running, and they haven't even signposted that Roisin shares some of Leah's story.

Its also all unsatisfactory- as the double and triple firings distorted who was going and who stayed. People went, in weeks with multiple firings, who deserved to stay more than people who stayed the previous or next week, and several finalists would have gone now if the multiple firings had been that week. Who-is there is often who stayed - because they fouled up in the right weeks.
Bianca was referred to as a dark horse on last night's "You're fired". Does that count?
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Old 11-12-2014, 19:57
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Solomon is quite like Tom, so I think Lord Sugar likes him. Here is what I think the order will be;

5th- Daniel (Lord Sugar won't be able to work with him, but it will be a with regret firing like James in both series 5 and this series rather than an angry one like Baggs or Jordan)

4th- Bianca (Seems underwhelming, if her business plan is fashion based then Lord Sugar won't be interested)

3rd- Mark (May have an excellent business plan, but Lord Sugar doesn't seem to like him because of his sly behaviour towards Daniel and to a lesser extent Sanjay)

2nd- Solomon (Lord Sugar likes tech entrepenuers, but I sense Solomon doesn't have that spark and will fall short)

1st- Rosin (Her business plan may be awful like Neil's, but if it is good then Rosin is hired as she is calm and level headed which Lord Sugar seems to like)
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Old 11-12-2014, 22:51
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No credible reason for Bianca to win though on her task performances. She's almost invisible - competent when not having howlers . What she has done is pass on her branding tasks - which is her line of business. But the viewers won't think she has done anything much to win., will remember her howlers, and what she does is vague. .

Roisin just won on the task on her project. But there was nothing to say if he thinks her proposal is any more interesting than Katie's - or she's any better qualified for it. Roisin, at least, now clearly has the best record, now Katie has gone.

If you argue for Bianca, you might as well argue for Solomon - who may have a pointless, lucrative , internet venture that appeals to Lord Sugar
Although she flew under the radar in the first few weeks, she seemed quietly competent before the mistakes occurred, and once they did she completely took responsibility and treated it maturely. Last week she emerged as the strongest member of team her overall, coming across as measured and level-headed alongside the excitable, easily distracted Solomon. Again, this week, she stood out as being much more professional than the reckless Daniel, particularly with the tea sommeliers. Despite her lack of impact in the beginning and early errors, she's began to pull away as one of the stronger contenders. Definitely a bit of a dark horse.
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Old 11-12-2014, 23:52
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Solomon is quite like Tom, so I think Lord Sugar likes him. Here is what I think the order will be;

5th- Daniel (Lord Sugar won't be able to work with him, but it will be a with regret firing like James in both series 5 and this series rather than an angry one like Baggs or Jordan)

4th- Bianca (Seems underwhelming, if her business plan is fashion based then Lord Sugar won't be interested)

3rd- Mark (May have an excellent business plan, but Lord Sugar doesn't seem to like him because of his sly behaviour towards Daniel and to a lesser extent Sanjay)

2nd- Solomon (Lord Sugar likes tech entrepenuers, but I sense Solomon doesn't have that spark and will fall short)

1st- Rosin (Her business plan may be awful like Neil's, but if it is good then Rosin is hired as she is calm and level headed which Lord Sugar seems to like)
Completely agree! Very good analysis!!!
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Old 12-12-2014, 01:25
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Solomon is quite like Tom, so I think Lord Sugar likes him. Here is what I think the order will be;

5th- Daniel (Lord Sugar won't be able to work with him, but it will be a with regret firing like James in both series 5 and this series rather than an angry one like Baggs or Jordan)

4th- Bianca (Seems underwhelming, if her business plan is fashion based then Lord Sugar won't be interested)

3rd- Mark (May have an excellent business plan, but Lord Sugar doesn't seem to like him because of his sly behaviour towards Daniel and to a lesser extent Sanjay)

2nd- Solomon (Lord Sugar likes tech entrepenuers, but I sense Solomon doesn't have that spark and will fall short)

1st- Rosin (Her business plan may be awful like Neil's, but if it is good then Rosin is hired as she is calm and level headed which Lord Sugar seems to like)
Is Solomon an inventor like Tom? If not, being like Tom isn't much of an advantage. He's had his moments but I would place him fifth of five. He has risen without trace and the time for the sack is now.

Daniel is a strong character, learning from his errors, but still delusional so probably fourth.

I don't think Lord Sugar gives a monkeys for Mark's allegedly sly behaviour. I don't think he's sly myself, but he is very astute tactically and exploits people to his advantage. He slipped up this week so maybe down to third.

Bianca is very strong, and since giving away exclusivity for Westminster for almost nothing has hardly put a foot wrong. Second.

Roisin looks favourite at the moment, but I wonder whether she is as pefect as she appears. Bianca might give her a run for her money in the Final.
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Old 12-12-2014, 02:04
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A second blonde long-haired Irish winner?

Perhaps Sugar has a liking for a particular look....
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Old 12-12-2014, 02:24
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Although she flew under the radar in the first few weeks, she seemed quietly competent before the mistakes occurred, and once they did she completely took responsibility and treated it maturely. Last week she emerged as the strongest member of team her overall, coming across as measured and level-headed alongside the excitable, easily distracted Solomon. Again, this week, she stood out as being much more professional than the reckless Daniel, particularly with the tea sommeliers. Despite her lack of impact in the beginning and early errors, she's began to pull away as one of the stronger contenders. Definitely a bit of a dark horse.
But they usually build some story for the viewers[. All Bianca has had is Karen jumping in and pointing out she presented well in one recent task, and what the viewer might pick up. They usually sign post people - otherwise it all happens as a surprise. We also often hear by now why he won't hire one of the last two - he usually finds fault with both, and often means it with one, and repeats it in the final .

I can see Bianca winning though - as Daniel and Mark would seem to exclude themselves . Solomon has been inviisible, and acting like a Milliband for weeks. Roisin either offers him good returns because she's offering mass food supply, or she will fail on the impossibility of getting into that market. - and because all the arguments he applied to Katie's experience apply to her too. His last major comment on Roisin was he hadn't heard much from her and he hardly gave her a resounding reference. Even Luisa got her positive points mentioned by now.

If its none of the above, someone has to win. Bianca at least has a good statistical record - although the viewers will struggle to see how she is the best one there.
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Old 12-12-2014, 02:32
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Bianca was referred to as a dark horse on last night's "You're fired". Does that count?
it might indeed be late signposting. But they usually do it on the main show where most people might notice it.

Its not looking great if your win winner wins because they are the only one who is both competent and has a viable project - and no one can remember a single standout moment from them all series, but can remember two weeks of howlers.
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Old 12-12-2014, 04:07
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I'm not impressed by her.

She's got a bit of a superiority complex going on. I didn't like her team work with Bianca thinking both of them were the bees knees. Put me right off both of them.
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Old 12-12-2014, 10:40
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Is Solomon an inventor like Tom? If not, being like Tom isn't much of an advantage. He's had his moments but I would place him fifth of five. He has risen without trace and the time for the sack is now.

Daniel is a strong character, learning from his errors, but still delusional so probably fourth.

I don't think Lord Sugar gives a monkeys for Mark's allegedly sly behaviour. I don't think he's sly myself, but he is very astute tactically and exploits people to his advantage. He slipped up this week so maybe down to third.

Bianca is very strong, and since giving away exclusivity for Westminster for almost nothing has hardly put a foot wrong. Second.

Roisin looks favourite at the moment, but I wonder whether she is as pefect as she appears. Bianca might give her a run for her money in the Final.
Solomon isn't an inventor but Lord Sugar likes tech entrepenuers. As someone else has said, Solomon is maybe more similar to Nick "I grew up without a computer" Holzherr. Both had good track records and great wins as PM
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Old 12-12-2014, 11:42
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Roisin and Bianca's edits actually remind me of the two girls who came first and second in the last series of Young Apprentice.

I get the feeling the same thing might happen - I really like Roisin and think she's been the voice of reason throughout most of the series; but I can see Sugar taking a dislike to her personally because calm isn't really his style - as he did with the girl who came second in YA and with Lucinda from series 4.

I personally think calm and balanced is the best way to be on tasks and as PM, but Sugar seems to prefer overenthusiasm and energy over quality. (hence huge dissonance between how Daniel and before him, James were hated by most viewers but given chance after chance by Sugar and Nick)
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Old 20-12-2014, 17:33
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Well I got that slightly wrong.

Bianca making it to the final has got to be one of the most surprising outcomes ever. I'm amazed at how successfully they built her up into a very credible candidate in the interviews, while working the opposite magic on Roisin.

Until that last episode, I had thought Bianca was the second-weakest candidate after Daniel. Now she must be favourite to win.
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Old 20-12-2014, 17:55
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But they usually build some story for the viewers[. All Bianca has had is Karen jumping in and pointing out she presented well in one recent task, and what the viewer might pick up. They usually sign post people - otherwise it all happens as a surprise. We also often hear by now why he won't hire one of the last two - he usually finds fault with both, and often means it with one, and repeats it in the final .

I can see Bianca winning though - as Daniel and Mark would seem to exclude themselves . Solomon has been inviisible, and acting like a Milliband for weeks. Roisin either offers him good returns because she's offering mass food supply, or she will fail on the impossibility of getting into that market. - and because all the arguments he applied to Katie's experience apply to her too. His last major comment on Roisin was he hadn't heard much from her and he hardly gave her a resounding reference. Even Luisa got her positive points mentioned by now.

If its none of the above, someone has to win. Bianca at least has a good statistical record - although the viewers will struggle to see how she is the best one there.
Just seeing this - I wasn't trying to claim she was the best candidate there at the time, or that her portrayal before now was definitely indicative of her being the winner, but rather that she progressed from being fairly unknown to being a serious contender. Even before the most recent episode, she seemed like a more sensible choice for the title than Daniel and Solomon. I was finally to see her winning the show too whereas, in the earlier episodes, she was hardly noticeable.
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