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Old 12-12-2014, 00:15
george.millman
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We do this game every year, and I always enjoy it.

Give the final five a ranking, based on your rating of them. In each case, the first placed person will be given five points, the last placed one point and the others two, three and four points accordingly. I'll add them up, voting closes at the time next week's interview episode starts. You don't have to give reasons, but feel free to - makes it a bit more interesting. (No multiple votes please).

I'll go first:

1. Roisin - consistently strong and seems very credible, if a little similar to last year's Leah
2. Mark - despite anyone's thoughts about his personality, he gets on with the job very well, is a very good salesman and even his rivalry with Daniel seems to have cooled somewhat
3. Solomon - hasn't been seen as much in recent weeks, but had a strong start and could still be in with a chance if his business plan is any good
4. Bianca - is okay, but had a few really bad weeks about midway through
5. Daniel - had a couple of moments, but isn't strong enough

Enjoy!
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Old 12-12-2014, 00:39
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1. Mark; Loathe as I am to admit it he's the only one who's regularly stood out.

2. Roisin; Generally dependable, and her strengths have only clarified as the tasks have worn on, but I still remember week three where she went all Ed Hunter. What is it with accountants who hate accounting?

3. Bianca; A lot of very, very silly mistakes... but she owns up to them, she's level-headed, and she's a decent negotiator. There's something there.

4. Daniel; My favourite candidate, but he is a liability. Flashes of brilliance, week 9 was one of the best PMships the show's seen, but the salesmanship just isn't there. High risk, high reward... but too unreliable to invest in.

5. Solomon; He chose the YouTuber with the most subscribers on a task that was tenuously vaguely business related, and... went halfsies on the (very good!) Tea Pot branding? Harmless enough bloke, but a bit of a twerp - not quite seeing it.
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Old 12-12-2014, 02:09
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1. Roisin - Strong branding and creativity, is likeable and diplomatic. Has had lapses in common sense and firmness, but has been a good and reliable contributor for the most part. Might lack entrepreneurial spark.
2. Mark - Good salesman, engaged performer and strong strategic player - but possibly to the detriment of overall task performance on occasion. Has some charisma/spark, but may be creatively weak and isn't too likeable.
3. Solomon - A little better than middle of the road, but doesn't stand out. More positive than negative task contributions, and no major mistakes made, but a bit juvenile and low-key for my liking.
4. Bianca - A somewhat unknown quantity. Close to invisible w1-4, bad w5-7, ok w8, decent w9, ok w10. Does have at least a professional veneer and composure in her favour, and may have potential but it hasn't really been actualised here.
5. Daniel - My opinion on Daniel has softened a tiny bit after the last couple of tasks, but he's neither competent or likeable on the whole.

Mark and Solomon's positions in my overall mental ranking could change based on how the interviews and business plans unravel, since they're both somewhat close in my mind. It's unlikely that the others' positions would change in my mind, barring extreme circumstances.
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Old 12-12-2014, 03:32
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1. Roisin - Far and away the best for me, for some reason I have an inkling she won't win but to be completely honest I don't think any of the others would make a satisfactory winner
2. Bianca - Think she's underrated by the majority of people, particularly in the last few episodes she's shown herself to be very competent, I'd really like her to make the final 2 but the way she's been edited suggests to me that she won't
3. Mark - Generally good performance wise but quite unlikeable personality wise
4. Solomon - Just really meh for me, don't particularly dislike him but I don't think I've ever thought he's any good and it's a bit weird that he's in the final 5
5. Daniel - Not just my least favourite of the final 5 but amongst my least favourite candidates ever, possibly my absolute least favourite. Not only is he pretty awful performance wise and completely deluded about this, but severly unbearable personality wise and seems pretty nasty in the way he speaks about other candidates. So glad I don't know anyone like him as I do not think I could handle it, I think all the other candidates deserve some sort of credit for having to work with him. In my opinion he should have gone in Week 2 after that awful pitch and I'm really not sure how he's still here especially considering LAS had several opportunities to fire him Really hope he goes down in flames at interviews and gets a brutal firing.
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Old 12-12-2014, 08:49
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1: Roisin
She deserves to win. Hands down the best candidate, ticks all the boxes. Huge gap to anyone else in the process, especially with Katie gone.
2: Bianca
Close between Bianca and Mark. The difference for me is I question Marks integrity and so would not wish to work with him because of that, but he does come across as being willing to put the work in.
3: Mark
Covered above, could easily swap with Bianca.
4: Solomon
Inoffensive other than his general youthful nature. Not much positive other than that though.
5: Daniel
Must have the greatest business plan/idea in the world. Would be a nightmare to work with.
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Old 12-12-2014, 10:39
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You guys are absolutely missing the point here

My opinion is that we cant rate any one, because the interviews are about the *business plan* NOT the candidate... those measurements like "Roisin best candidate tick boxes" are only relevant getting up to this stage, its literally ALL about the plan now and NOT the actual skills
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Old 12-12-2014, 15:25
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You guys are absolutely missing the point here

My opinion is that we cant rate any one, because the interviews are about the *business plan* NOT the candidate... those measurements like "Roisin best candidate tick boxes" are only relevant getting up to this stage, its literally ALL about the plan now and NOT the actual skills
It's about the candidate and their ability to produce and execute a good business idea (or be like Tom P and have something else that's safe to invest in). Technically, the interviews, gimmicky as they often are, cover both business idea and personality/background. That's not to say the proposed business idea doesn't count for a lot - it does - but it isn't literally 100% everything, since there still needs to be enough confidence that someone can follow through on their plan.

If it were everything, Susan Ma would have won over Tom, at the very least, whose presented plan was better - if in need of work - and whose concept ended up getting a post-show investment anyway. Helen Milligan wouldn't have made the final at all, let alone got a second chance to come up with a proposal closer to her field of experience, and Neil Clough wouldn't have got a chance to propose something else either.

This isn't a prediction at all, by the way, since a Mark and Roisin final two is extremely unlikely. I'm fully prepared for an underwhelming winner this series.
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Old 12-12-2014, 15:31
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Solomon and Daniel (Unless there's something in his Business Plan Sugar likes, which is why he's been repreived so often) are probably the deadwood, and as much as I like the level headedness of Bianca, I can't see her having an exciting Business Plan.

It's clear Mark has a decent Business Plan that AS likes from the last episode so he's a shoe in for the Final barring complete disaster imo and then Roisin on the basis that she's an excellent candidate and under the old format would have won with ease (But is potentially too similar to Leah from last year)
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Old 12-12-2014, 16:09
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Roisin: Deserves a place in the final, been strong all through, let herself down in the her first PM task, and slightly this week, over not letting Daniel pitch. Slightly boring though.

Daniel: if he would stop bigging himself up, which he seems to have done, I think could make the final. Never boring.

Mark: Great pitcher and salesman. Has let himself down over getting dragged in to stupid arguments and back stabbing other members. Screwed up this week, needs to practice what he keeps preaching and shut up.

Sanjay, Nothing great, but again nothing wrong, the series "grey man". Must have a great BP.

Bianca: Can't really say anything about her, she screwed up twice, can be a bit catty, and seems to hide in the background and sulk alot. Doesn't really offer anything.
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Old 12-12-2014, 16:16
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1. Roisin
2. Bianca
3. Solomon
4. Daniel
5. Mark

Ranked on how much I personally like them. Someone could be crap at business and lovely up against someone not very nice and skilled, and I'd support the former.
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Old 12-12-2014, 17:06
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1. Solomon=Roisin=Bianca: I rate these 3 equally although from the outset, I've had the feeling Solomon will be the most impressive at interviews combined with BP.
4. Daniel
Massive gap
5. Mark: No chance whatsoever.
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Old 12-12-2014, 18:53
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1) Roisin - astute and gorgeous to boot.

2) Solomon - intelligent and playing the "Joey Essex" card to come across a bit thick. I bet he has a killer business plan.

3) Bianca - should have gone a while back but she must have a good business plan hence still being on the show. Has good moments but also bad moments.

Joint 5th) Daniel and Mark - both must have awesome business plans, that's all I can say. Mark is a complete snake. Why Sugah wants to have him as a business partner is beyond me, but to each their own. Daniel is just going to be the new Katie Hopkins / Lou Lou Zissman. He has already started mixing it up with TOWIE folk.
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Old 12-12-2014, 19:08
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You guys are absolutely missing the point here

My opinion is that we cant rate any one, because the interviews are about the *business plan* NOT the candidate... those measurements like "Roisin best candidate tick boxes" are only relevant getting up to this stage, its literally ALL about the plan now and NOT the actual skills
I see it this way as well, the bottom line - what is gonna make sir al money for the least amount of effort from him.
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Old 12-12-2014, 19:20
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1. Solomon=Roisin=Bianca: I rate these 3 equally although from the outset, I've had the feeling Solomon will be the most impressive at interviews combined with BP.
4. Daniel
Massive gap
5. Mark: No chance whatsoever.
1) Roisin - astute and gorgeous to boot.

2) Solomon - intelligent and playing the "Joey Essex" card to come across a bit thick. I bet he has a killer business plan.

3) Bianca - should have gone a while back but she must have a good business plan hence still being on the show. Has good moments but also bad moments.

Joint 5th) Daniel and Mark - both must have awesome business plans, that's all I can say. Mark is a complete snake. Why Sugah wants to have him as a business partner is beyond me, but to each their own. Daniel is just going to be the new Katie Hopkins / Lou Lou Zissman. He has already started mixing it up with TOWIE folk.
Sorry, you can't rate people equally as I am adding up the scores, with five, four, three, two and one points to each candidate respectively.

Solomon and Daniel (Unless there's something in his Business Plan Sugar likes, which is why he's been repreived so often) are probably the deadwood, and as much as I like the level headedness of Bianca, I can't see her having an exciting Business Plan.

It's clear Mark has a decent Business Plan that AS likes from the last episode so he's a shoe in for the Final barring complete disaster imo and then Roisin on the basis that she's an excellent candidate and under the old format would have won with ease (But is potentially too similar to Leah from last year)
This one I can't even rank at all.
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Old 12-12-2014, 19:51
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Roisin
Daniel

Can't call between Mark,Bianca and Soloman.

In fact I know so little about Soloman he could be anywhere in the ranking.
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Old 12-12-2014, 19:56
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Roisin
Daniel

Can't call between Mark,Bianca and Soloman.

In fact I know so little about Soloman he could be anywhere in the ranking.
Again, I can't include this in my ranking, as candidates are given specific numbers of points depending on where they are placed by each person.
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Old 13-12-2014, 01:48
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Have some posts disappeared? I thought I'd posted in this thread already, Anyway my pre-interview ranking is:

1. Roisin. Too good to be true? Something doesn't quite add up, but is the best of the five based on what we know..

2. Bianca. Has been competent and error free since giving away Westminster exclusivity to a small shop. Very good this week.

3. Mark. Would have been (2) but faltered badly this week. Hope his business plan isn't an anti-perspirant product.

4. Daniel. Getting better but still delusional.

5. Solomon. Unless he has a mega business idea he simply should not be in the final five. Should have been sacked for claiming one of the Tesco buyers winked at him.
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Old 13-12-2014, 10:11
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1) Roisin - She looks to be the front runner at this point. Calm and has good ideas
2) Mark - Seems like a typical Apprentice Runner Up. Pretty strong candidate just not very likeable
3) Solomon - Definitely the dark horse for me. When given an important role he does well just not been seen enough to really judge
4) Bianca - Not confident in her really. I think she makes poor decisions
5) Daniel - Surely only still there for entertainment. He's worse the Baggs in my opinion
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Old 13-12-2014, 10:30
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Again, I can't include this in my ranking, as candidates are given specific numbers of points depending on where they are placed by each person.
Oh sorry, didn't know it was a game. I was musing!

1) Roisin
2) Daniel
3) Bianca
4) Mark
5) Soloman
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Old 13-12-2014, 11:42
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Sorry, you can't rate people equally as I am adding up the scores, with five, four, three, two and one points to each candidate respectively.
Just use tied points e.g in SweetFA's case, give the first three (Roisin, Solomon, Bianca) 5 points each, then the fourth one (Daniel) 2 points, and the fifth one (Mark) 1 point.
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Old 13-12-2014, 12:27
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Just use tied points e.g in SweetFA's case, give the first three (Roisin, Solomon, Bianca) 5 points each, then the fourth one (Daniel) 2 points, and the fifth one (Mark) 1 point.
I'd rather not do that, as that kind of defeats the object of the game. It will put certain people further ahead than they should be.
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Old 13-12-2014, 12:45
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Roisin: Deserves a place in the final, been strong all through, let herself down in the her first PM task, and slightly this week, over not letting Daniel pitch. Slightly boring though.

Daniel: if he would stop bigging himself up, which he seems to have done, I think could make the final. Never boring.

Mark: Great pitcher and salesman. Has let himself down over getting dragged in to stupid arguments and back stabbing other members. Screwed up this week, needs to practice what he keeps preaching and shut up.

Sanjay, Nothing great, but again nothing wrong, the series "grey man". Must have a great BP.

Bianca: Can't really say anything about her, she screwed up twice, can be a bit catty, and seems to hide in the background and sulk alot. Doesn't really offer anything.
Sanjay is out. Do you mean Solomon? (I'll presume you do unless I hear otherwise).
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Old 13-12-2014, 13:21
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1 Daniel: most memorable candidate from this series
2 Roisin: likeable and best of a bad lot but not outstanding. Found her unsupportive towards her team in last week's task.
3 Solomon: seems a capable team member but hasn't proved his worth as a leader. Serial PM dodger. Too much inane grinning and may need to mature a bit before succeeding.
4 Bianca: has made a few substantial errors. Not that likeable or respected by peers.
5 Mark: too arrogant but has delivered on some occasions.
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Old 13-12-2014, 16:50
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Sorry, you can't rate people equally as I am adding up the scores, with five, four, three, two and one points to each candidate respectively...
Erm, yes you can. If you can't rank, maybe you shouldn't have started a ranking 'game'...
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Old 13-12-2014, 17:54
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Erm, yes you can. If you can't rank, maybe you shouldn't have started a ranking 'game'...
Giving people joint scores completely defeats the point of the game. If you give three people five points, that puts two people further ahead than they should be.
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