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Sky Sports 1 & 2 now on BT EPG
As expected since the recent Ofcom ruling, Sky Sports 1 and 2 have finally been listed on the BT YouView EPG, at channel no's 501 and 502. No sign yet of Sky Sports 5 (on my EPG anyway) which is available as a bonus channel to SS 1 and 2 on the old BT Vision+ service.
Unsurprisingly the channels aren't available yet, going to them gives you the standard "Would you like to set this channel up?" message that then takes you to the BT subscription screen with the bolt on phone number and web address. When selecting Sky Sports on the BT site, it still has the old information that you require a Vision+ box for these channels. But with the addition of Sky Sports to the YV EPG finally, an announcement from BT can't be far away...
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According to the folks on the BT community board, anyone who already has Sky Sports via Vision+ can receive it right away on a YouView box, but YV-only customers are unable to order the channels over the phone yet as BT need to update their systems.
Also, it appears that, like Sky Movies, BT TV customers with the extra box will not be able to order Sports. Seems a pity that their multiroom option is so restrictive like this, but I'm guessing not being able to offer Movies and Sport on multiple boxes is something to do with restrictions set by Sky themselves. |
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This is pretty cool, I have been waiting for it for two years!
I will shortly be able to ditch my last remnants of Sky and still get Sky Sports 1 & 2 via Youview, at a saving of £20 a month! Unless Sky quickly up their game and drop the stupid mandatory Sky TV package before you can add Sports... but they will need to move FAST! Very fast... otherwise I will become in essence a Sky Free Zone!
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It will come down to the price for sky sports for me. It is £30 on talk talk youview for all the sky sports channels but no hd? With that sort of pricing they can get stuffed
![]() https://sales.talktalk.co.uk/product/tv/plustv If they were to put up the f1 channel as a bolt on for £5 per month or £40 for the year, then they would have a deal. f1 is on from march to November, then I would sign up for that. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/29538038 |
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It will come down to the price for sky sports for me. It is £30 on talk talk youview for all the sky sports channels but no hd? With that sort of pricing they can get stuffed
![]() I'm not a TalkTalk customer, but in their defence, they do have quite a range of half-price offers for existing customers, many more than BT. TalkTalk were offering half price Sky Sports and Movies together for three months up until recently. Really hope that when BT start officially taking orders for Sky Sports on YV, they offer some sort of discount for a while, and for current subscribers aswell as new ones. With only three of the seven channels available, BT need to try and hook in as many customers as possible to make it worthwhile. |
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sky sport 1 and 2 have come off the tv guid on the youview boxs
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sky sport 1 and 2 have come off the tv guid on the youview boxs
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Its a shame Sky or not allowing you to take Sky Sports of you have a BT multi room extra box on Youview.
Even I would not be willing to pay over £25 a month for sport channels that I would only maybe watch a few times a month. Darren |
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great news for the sports fans that the fight between Sky & BT for sports TV customers is over for now and hope that they give a good price for the two channels in SD ....
But the rights for sport on TV is not over as Virgin have gone to court over the number of football match rights that the PL sells out to TV & radio ....so looks like another company may get into sport TV as with so many more games that could be shown ... |
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BT are now taking orders for Sky Sports over YouView on the website. Looks like the Vision+ system will finally start to be phased out as there is no mention of it anymore. As before, it's £16.50 for either SS 1 or 2, or £22 for both.
The bad news is there is no free Sky Sports 5 included, at least not yet. SS 5 was kind of a deal breaker for me; I can't really warrant an extra £22 a month for only two sports channels that I probably wouldn't watch as often as the free BT Sports. At least SS 5 made the package a little better value for money. That said, if BT offer some sort of reduced introductory offer for SS 1 and 2 soon, my interest will perk up again. Unfortunately I can't see this happening. One of the advantages of TalkTalk over BT is that TT continually provide offers for existing customers, whereas BT don't seem to bother. |
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I doubt you will see any offers for Sky Sports on BT TV (they haven't done (advertised at least) in the 4 years it has been on Vision) because the fact is BT don't really want you to take Sky Sports (they make no money on it, every penny goes back to Sky). The only reason they have fought so hard to get it is so that people don't NOT choose BT TV because they can't get Sky Sports.
They want to make sure it is an option so people don't discount BT TV when choosing (knowing sport is the single highest pull) but otherwise they don't care about you taking it. |
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I doubt you will see any offers for Sky Sports on BT TV (they haven't done (advertised at least) in the 4 years it has been on Vision) because the fact is BT don't really want you to take Sky Sports (they make no money on it, every penny goes back to Sky). The only reason they have fought so hard to get it is so that people don't NOT choose BT TV because they can't get Sky Sports.
They want to make sure it is an option so people don't discount BT TV when choosing (knowing sport is the single highest pull) but otherwise they don't care about you taking it. ![]() After seeing the Sky Sports wholesale prices, yes it's perfectly understandable why SS 1 and 2 is hardly a milestone for BT TV, financially anyway. At least now BT YouView will be more of a "complete" service than before, and it will hopefully lead more customers to eschew Sky's bully-boy restrictive practises and switch providers. Scointer, you seem to have some knowledge on these wholesale issues: what do you think the chances are Ofcom will force Sky to start offering the remaining Sky Sports channels to providers such as BT? Obviously if there's no real money to be made from them, like SS 1 and 2, then there's no financial benefit to BT carrying them, but you'd have to believe that BT TV could become a serious contender in the pay TV market if they were able to provide all seven Sky Sports channels alongside their own BT Sports and ESPN content. After all, Virgin and TalkTalk are able to provide these, and though they are obviously not seen as true competitors to Sky TV, they will still get new subscribers through their wider range. Plus, with the next Premier League rights auction on the horizon, not to mention the rumoured Friday night football plans and Virgin Media and even terrestrial TV making hints about live coverage rights, this could be an interesting time ahead for sports fans, and the best chance in a while for Sky to lose more of the stranglehold they've got in pay TV, and sports rights in particular. Perhaps the best we can hope for is BT (and the others) to successfully bid for the lions share of Premier League, which would subsequently see Sky's dominance diminish and for them to drop their wholesale prices and platform restrictions for the greater good of the entire industry. |
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Personally I think the chances of OFCOM making Sky offer more of its channels are quite small.
I think it would have been higher before but while it keeps the top 2 sports viewing on 1&2 (Premier League football and Cricket) I don't see OFCOM forcing more channels to be made available, in fact with BT taking some of the premium sports (something no-one has ever really done before) I would say there would be more chance of OFCOM revoking the WMO after its new review (probably another year or two before the outcome of that is known) and letting sky withdraw its obligation (although the smart money would probably be on the status quo). Like you say I think the best bet would be for BT/others to win more content forcing sky's hand with it not having ALL the premium content and making them have to start selling it through other methods, that is why Sky have offered all thier channels (and in HD) to other competiors that won't pay for sports themselves in the hope it will kill off BT's challenge and they can then go back to having it all themselves.... |
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BT don't really want you to take Sky Sports (they make no money on it, every penny goes back to Sky).
The only reason Sky have put such a battle is because BT withhold their channels from Sky to retail. Next year when BT Sport will be made subject of WMO pricing.. and when they do Sky will behave properly and set a real price NOT a loss leading discounted price. |
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Fact is they make a loss on every subscription. Hopefully as many BT TV customers as possible take Sky Sports to make BT really pay for their petty behaviour.
The only reason Sky have put such a battle is because BT withhold their channels from Sky to retail. Next year when BT Sport will be made subject of WMO pricing.. and when they do Sky will behave properly and set a real price NOT a loss leading discounted price. How is that BT withholding channels for retail exactly? You've basically described what Sky have tried (and failed) to do, but switched Sky for BT. |
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BT Sports has been available on Sky from the beginning. Also on Virgin (inclusive in their sports package, I believe) and even on Irish cable.
How is that BT withholding channels for retail exactly? You've basically described what Sky have tried (and failed) to do, but switched Sky for BT. BT does NOT wholssale BT Sports to Sky to retail. They absolutely refused because they are terrified of competing with Sky. |
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WRONG ... but unsurprising given YOUR limited level of knowledge.
BT does NOT wholssale BT Sports to Sky to retail. They absolutely refused because they are terrified of competing with Sky. And I think you'll find its Sky who are scared of the rise of BT. Hence the Sky Sports/Ofcom debacle that laboured for years in court. |
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So you do not understand this simple concept of wholesale supply, this underlines YOUR limited level of knowledge.
BT does NOT wholssale BT Sports to Sky to retail. BT have never liked fair competition with anyone and especially Sky since they lost their telecoms monopoly. They failed with BB, Sky being the lead among the companies that drove the price of BB down. BT have infringed and been directed to pay compensation over WMO telecom infrastructure services. BT does have some really clever lawyers to overturn the CAT judgement against Ofcom's WMO of Sky Sports. You do know that means wholesale must offer, the very thing BT are refusing to do with BT Sports. BT are hypocrits and that's why they can only offer Sky Sports 1&2, while everyone else including TalkTalk, who ARE willing to COMPETE, offer Sky Sports 1,2,3,4,5,F1, & SSNHQ. |
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It seems that OFCOM still see Sky as the one who is a threat to competition.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...mpetition.html Stew |
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So you do not understand this simple concept of wholesale supply, this underlines YOUR limited level of knowledge.
BT does NOT wholssale BT Sports to Sky to retail. BT have never liked fair competition with anyone and especially Sky since they lost their telecoms monopoly. They failed with BB, Sky being the lead among the companies that drove the price of BB down. BT have infringed and been directed to pay compensation over WMO telecom infrastructure services. BT does have some really clever lawyers to overturn the CAT judgement against Ofcom's WMO of Sky Sports. You do know that means wholesale must offer, the very thing BT are refusing to do with BT Sports. BT are hypocrits and that's why they can only offer Sky Sports 1&2, while everyone else including TalkTalk, who ARE willing to COMPETE, offer Sky Sports 1,2,3,4,5,F1, & SSNHQ. Course BT are willing to compete. That's what has got Sky scared in the first place. I assume TalkTalk, who are allowed to carry more Sky channels because they're not seen as a true threat, are wholesaled the sports package at a lower rate than BT. Ditto Virgin Media. You can dress it up and blame BT all you want, and I'm not for one moment suggesting British Telecommunications are whiter than white, but Sky are the true villains here. They have been within touching distance of a near-monopoly in UK pay-TV and BT is a company with the proper inferstructure to challenge that and try and give customers a few more options. |
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It seems that OFCOM still see Sky as the one who is a threat to competition.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...mpetition.html Stew "Ofcom said: “The content Sky holds appears likely to influence the purchasing decisions of a sizeable proportion of high-value pay TV customers and a retailer without access to this content would find it more difficult to compete for these subscribers.” This is, in fact, the reason why I am still with Sky in spite of also being with BT and wishing to have all my eggs in the BT basket (to save money). All I want from Sky are the Sports channels but I cannot get them at reasonable cost due to their pricing structure (having to pay for an extra £21.50 of channels useless to me, or over £30 extra if I want more channels in HD). All pay TV broadcasters should be forced to WMO all their channels to the others, and exclusive deals such as several important channels (or HD variants) seem to have with Sky should be banned. Only then will the market be truly competitive and will consumers have real choice. |
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OK, so educate me further: if BT wholesaled their channels to Sky, what would this mean for the Sky subscriber exactly? Because right now anyone with Sky TV can get BT Sport if they wish, for free if they're a BT Broadband customer, or at whatever the monthly subscription is otherwise (£12ish is it?)
Course BT are willing to compete. That's what has got Sky scared in the first place. I assume TalkTalk, who are allowed to carry more Sky channels because they're not seen as a true threat, are wholesaled the sports package at a lower rate than BT. Ditto Virgin Media. You can dress it up and blame BT all you want, and I'm not for one moment suggesting British Telecommunications are whiter than white, but Sky are the true villains here. They have been within touching distance of a near-monopoly in UK pay-TV and BT is a company with the proper inferstructure to challenge that and try and give customers a few more options. BT only went into sports TV because sky started trying to poach bb customers so BT had to defend its own market, sky and others have tried to poach bb customers by undercutting the price due to the premium they could charge on their TV service, when BT did the same the other way round sky threw thier toys out the pram.. |
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I think what the sky troll is saying is that sky refused to let BT have sky sports on youview in any form unless they let sky sell bt sport channels themselves (small difference but it means bt doesn't get access to the customers details and we all know what information is worth these days) and it means sky can set the price themselves also.
BT only went into sports TV because sky started trying to poach bb customers so BT had to defend its own market, sky and others have tried to poach bb customers by undercutting the price due to the premium they could charge on their TV service, when BT did the same the other way round sky threw thier toys out the pram.. ![]() Meanwhile, BT sell Sky Sports 1 and 2 at a loss. I can understand why they won't push this apart from the recent low-key media articles/press releases. I just hope BT get their wallet out in February and get the lions share of the Premier League football. Not because I particularly want to see more games on BT, but just so Sky's 20+ year monopoly on premium sports finally begins to crumble and eventually they will be the ones coming to BT (and Virgin and TalkTalk) with their tails between their legs begging for the scraps. The Champions League deal is a positive sign, and BT have promised viewers that matches involving British clubs and the final will still air on FTA television. Sky's response was to create Sky Sports 5 and have the sheer gall to call it "The home of European football", when in a few months time it'll have sod all to show! |
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OK, so educate me further:
The simple fact will not enter into competition with Sky on FRND terms. They DO NOT wholesale to Sky to force Sky customers to supply their details to BT. Your notion that Sky would not offer BT Sport at a competitive price underlines you mindset. |
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I think what the sky troll is saying is that sky refused to let BT have sky sports on youview in any form unless they let sky sell bt sport channels themselves (small difference but it means bt doesn't get access to the customers details and we all know what information is worth these days) and it means sky can set the price themselves also.
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BT only went into sports TV because sky started trying to poach bb customers so BT had to defend its own market, sky and others have tried to poach bb customers by undercutting the price due to the premium they could charge on their TV service, when BT did the same the other way round sky threw thier toys out the pram..
BT milked everyone until Sky came along and drove down prices for phone and BB services. |
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