Originally Posted by lateone:
“Craig wanted to save Pixie!”
“Craig wanted to save Pixie!”
And Jake!
Tour bias?
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Originally Posted by holly berry:
“Given that whenever a non-tourer was up against a tourer in the dance-off the person on the tour won through to the next round it looks more than a coincidence.
Once - maybe.
Twice - suspicious.
Three times - it's a fix!”
“Given that whenever a non-tourer was up against a tourer in the dance-off the person on the tour won through to the next round it looks more than a coincidence.
Once - maybe.
Twice - suspicious.
Three times - it's a fix!”
Ian Fleming said in Goldfinger (when he met Bond for the third time)
Once.... Is happenstance
Twice... Is coincidence
Three times .. is enemy action
Craig did vote to save Mark.
Honestly it would help if people investing in conspiracy theories could get the basic facts right before they ornament them with bollocks...
Honestly it would help if people investing in conspiracy theories could get the basic facts right before they ornament them with bollocks...
A single judge can't fix the vote. Len plus one other judge can fix the vote. Any three judges can obviously fix the vote if they wanted. If only Craig and Len were fixing the vote together then Craig would need to vote for the fix every time as he votes first.
That doesn't really matter though since any conspiracy theory will have as much corruption as needed to make it work.
That doesn't really matter though since any conspiracy theory will have as much corruption as needed to make it work.
Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“Craig did vote to save Mark.
Honestly it would help if people investing in conspiracy theories could get the basic facts right before they ornament them with bollocks...”
“Craig did vote to save Mark.
Honestly it would help if people investing in conspiracy theories could get the basic facts right before they ornament them with bollocks...”
Never heard them called ornamental before
DS SCD tin-hats have 2 main conspiracy theories, and the dominant one emerges depending on the trajectory of the series. one is the 'BBC fixes it for its employees' conspiracy (which has nowhere to go this year, as BBC employees crash out in succession), which leaves the other one - 'it'd fixed for people doing the tour'.
Originally Posted by Pasta:
“DS SCD tin-hats have 2 main conspiracy theories, and the dominant one emerges depending on the trajectory of the series. one is the 'BBC fixes it for its employees' conspiracy (which has nowhere to go this year, as BBC employees crash out in succession), which leaves the other one - 'it'd fixed for people doing the tour'.”
“DS SCD tin-hats have 2 main conspiracy theories, and the dominant one emerges depending on the trajectory of the series. one is the 'BBC fixes it for its employees' conspiracy (which has nowhere to go this year, as BBC employees crash out in succession), which leaves the other one - 'it'd fixed for people doing the tour'.”
I've never bought into the BBC employees one given that anyone who's embarrassingly bad is as likely to reflect badly on the company, and, as Jake has found out, once any gets involved with the show they quickly become "from Strictly" rather than "from <insert day job>" so it doesn't particularly matter in the long run.
There's more to gain from the tour theory given that the further people go in the competition, the more fans they'll likely gain (unless they're Lisa Snowdon) and thus people are more likely (in theory) to buy tickets to the tour.
Originally Posted by Damahepa:
“There's more to gain from the tour theory given that the further people go in the competition, the more fans they'll likely gain (unless they're Lisa Snowdon) and thus people are more likely (in theory) to buy tickets to the tour.”
“There's more to gain from the tour theory given that the further people go in the competition, the more fans they'll likely gain (unless they're Lisa Snowdon) and thus people are more likely (in theory) to buy tickets to the tour.”
It does depend on how this is supposed to work and involves the BBC being a super-efficient monolith, which I don't think it is. My work involves occasional insight into the BBC and that is certainly not my impression. I doubt that the SCD production team's agenda is even remotely similar to of the Trademark/Support people who get involved with the tour.
Originally Posted by Damahepa:
“Since the final lineup of the tour was announced, Sunetra, Pixie and Jake were the three couples left in that weren't doing the tour. Is it a coincidence that all three have since been eliminated, with two of them having never been in the dance off before, and Pixie being the highest scoring celebrity left in?
I know there is such thing as a coincidence, but this is somewhat of a remarkable one!”
“Since the final lineup of the tour was announced, Sunetra, Pixie and Jake were the three couples left in that weren't doing the tour. Is it a coincidence that all three have since been eliminated, with two of them having never been in the dance off before, and Pixie being the highest scoring celebrity left in?
I know there is such thing as a coincidence, but this is somewhat of a remarkable one!”
No bias at all it's just too few people voted for them, people like conspiracy theory's it's all a load of,,...........
Bruno gave a good account of why he chose Jake and Karen,
Len's decision doesn't make any sense given what he said about his first viewing of the dance.
We now have a final without the most competent dancer and the best showman.
You can dress it up any which way you like - it's a tainted final
Fingers crossed that it's not as bad as the semi-final.
Len's decision doesn't make any sense given what he said about his first viewing of the dance.
We now have a final without the most competent dancer and the best showman.
You can dress it up any which way you like - it's a tainted final
Fingers crossed that it's not as bad as the semi-final.
Originally Posted by holly berry:
“Bruno gave a good account of why he chose Jake and Karen,
Len's decision doesn't make any sense given what he said about his first viewing of the dance.
We now have a final without the most competent dancer and the best showman.
You can dress it up any which way you like - it's a tainted final
Fingers crossed that it's not as bad as the semi-final.”
“Bruno gave a good account of why he chose Jake and Karen,
Len's decision doesn't make any sense given what he said about his first viewing of the dance.
We now have a final without the most competent dancer and the best showman.
You can dress it up any which way you like - it's a tainted final
Fingers crossed that it's not as bad as the semi-final.”
Best showman, yes, most competent dancer? Not at all...
Just looked at the tour website - plenty of tickets left for anyone who is interested
Not selling out as quickly this year. It clearly needs all the help it can get!
Not selling out as quickly this year. It clearly needs all the help it can get!
Originally Posted by Damahepa:
“Best showman, yes, most competent dancer? Not at all...”
“Best showman, yes, most competent dancer? Not at all...”
Sorry I meant to imply Pixie for the most competent dancer - certainly not Jake lol.
Originally Posted by holly berry:
“Sorry I meant to imply Pixie for the most competent dancer - certainly not Jake lol.”
“Sorry I meant to imply Pixie for the most competent dancer - certainly not Jake lol.”
Oh good, that's okay then! XD
James Jordan @The_JamesJordan · 54m 54 minutes ago
Shame the most entertaining couple on Strictly this year are out... Jake and Janette !!!!
Should have done the tour!!!
Shame the most entertaining couple on Strictly this year are out... Jake and Janette !!!!
Should have done the tour!!!
Not like James to stir the pot.
I suppose we should be grateful - if he's feeling up to being his usual twattish self on twitter it must mean that Ola's doing ok. Every cloud...
I suppose we should be grateful - if he's feeling up to being his usual twattish self on twitter it must mean that Ola's doing ok. Every cloud...
I don't believe there's any fix, but it would seem reasonable to me that Craig as Tour Director and judge takes into account whether or not the celeb is doing the tour when deciding who to save.
I'm not saying it's the only criteria he considers, just that it will be one of several. Of course he would never say it out loud, he'd just voice the other criteria he took into account.
There was one DO this year where he didn't say the usual words along the lines of "the couple I'm going to save because I thought they danced better in the DO is...". It hit me straight away and has stuck in my mind, but I can't remember who he was saving, so I don't know if they were doing the tour or not. IIRC he wasn't the only judge that week to change the way their decision was made.
So no conspiracy theory, but understandable business decision.
I'm not saying it's the only criteria he considers, just that it will be one of several. Of course he would never say it out loud, he'd just voice the other criteria he took into account.
There was one DO this year where he didn't say the usual words along the lines of "the couple I'm going to save because I thought they danced better in the DO is...". It hit me straight away and has stuck in my mind, but I can't remember who he was saving, so I don't know if they were doing the tour or not. IIRC he wasn't the only judge that week to change the way their decision was made.
So no conspiracy theory, but understandable business decision.
Whom Craig as an individual judge votes for has no bearing. It is the overall outcome and how the producers have directed the judging panel to vote as a whole that counts.
Originally Posted by BuddyBontheNet:
“I don't believe there's any fix, but it would seem reasonable to me that Craig as Tour Director and judge takes into account whether or not the celeb is doing the tour when deciding who to save.
I'm not saying it's the only criteria he considers, just that it will be one of several. Of course he would never say it out loud, he'd just voice the other criteria he took into account.
There was one DO this year where he didn't say the usual words along the lines of "the couple I'm going to save because I thought they danced better in the DO is...". It hit me straight away and has stuck in my mind, but I can't remember who he was saving, so I don't know if they were doing the tour or not. IIRC he wasn't the only judge that week to change the way their decision was made.
So no conspiracy theory, but understandable business decision.”
“I don't believe there's any fix, but it would seem reasonable to me that Craig as Tour Director and judge takes into account whether or not the celeb is doing the tour when deciding who to save.
I'm not saying it's the only criteria he considers, just that it will be one of several. Of course he would never say it out loud, he'd just voice the other criteria he took into account.
There was one DO this year where he didn't say the usual words along the lines of "the couple I'm going to save because I thought they danced better in the DO is...". It hit me straight away and has stuck in my mind, but I can't remember who he was saving, so I don't know if they were doing the tour or not. IIRC he wasn't the only judge that week to change the way their decision was made.
So no conspiracy theory, but understandable business decision.”
Your theory 100% justify those of us who cry foul, and it supports many people's certainty of the manipulation. Voting people off because of the tour financial reason is indeed manipulation and against what Strictly the show is supposed to be about.
Originally Posted by chachachavvy:
“Whom Craig as an individual judge votes for has no bearing. It is the overall outcome and how the producers have directed the judging panel to vote as a whole that counts.”
“Whom Craig as an individual judge votes for has no bearing. It is the overall outcome and how the producers have directed the judging panel to vote as a whole that counts.”
Yes, it is fairly obvious especially given the BBC won't release voting figures (apparently exempt under freedom of information act!!!) What amazes me is how many of the people can be fooled most of the time.
I heartily dislike the tour as coincidentally or not, the show seems to have been manipulated a lot more since it started.
The tour seems to be declining in popularity, too. Fewer dates, performances and taking longer to sell out.
Is Craig still doing his 'Lisa' show (with a new 'Lisa')? Or has that died a death as well?
Now that most of the pros do their own shows, I think I'd rather spend my money on going along to one of those. I had to smile last Thursday as I walked up Aldwych and saw well dressed (slightly over-dressed for the west end) people going into Vincent and Flavia's show. Everyone looked so happy and expectant. I couldn't help but suck hard on the happy, feel good vibe they were giving off
Is Craig still doing his 'Lisa' show (with a new 'Lisa')? Or has that died a death as well?
Now that most of the pros do their own shows, I think I'd rather spend my money on going along to one of those. I had to smile last Thursday as I walked up Aldwych and saw well dressed (slightly over-dressed for the west end) people going into Vincent and Flavia's show. Everyone looked so happy and expectant. I couldn't help but suck hard on the happy, feel good vibe they were giving off
I looked into buying tickets for the tour and couldn't believe the prices, especially as I am not keen on the atmosphere of arena shows. It was a lot cheaper to get the best seats in the house for Birmingham Royal Ballet, which is what I did instead.
On the tour, how many dances do each couple perform? I'm only going for Simon and Kristina. If they are only performing one dance, it might not be worth going to.
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