The Beeb showed the voting figures for SPOTY why not for Strictly?
Voting Figures
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Originally Posted by mammacassi:
“The Beeb showed the voting figures for SPOTY why not for Strictly?”
“The Beeb showed the voting figures for SPOTY why not for Strictly?”
From the BBC's Strictly page.......
We invite you to vote for the dancers that you liked best, based on their performance in each show and during the series. Releasing voting figures could affect the way that people vote, and also have an impact on the participants. We therefore do not disclose the exact voting figures.
Although the BBC is subject to the Freedom of Information Act, information which is closely connected to our programme-making is not covered by the Act. The Information Commissioner, who regulates the Act, has confirmed that information about Strictly Come Dancing voting is not covered. We are therefore not required to disclose the voting figures under the Act.
Originally Posted by scarlotti:
“From the BBC's Strictly page.......
We invite you to vote for the dancers that you liked best, based on their performance in each show and during the series. Releasing voting figures could affect the way that people vote, and also have an impact on the participants. We therefore do not disclose the exact voting figures.
Although the BBC is subject to the Freedom of Information Act, information which is closely connected to our programme-making is not covered by the Act. The Information Commissioner, who regulates the Act, has confirmed that information about Strictly Come Dancing voting is not covered. We are therefore not required to disclose the voting figures under the Act.”
“From the BBC's Strictly page.......
We invite you to vote for the dancers that you liked best, based on their performance in each show and during the series. Releasing voting figures could affect the way that people vote, and also have an impact on the participants. We therefore do not disclose the exact voting figures.
Although the BBC is subject to the Freedom of Information Act, information which is closely connected to our programme-making is not covered by the Act. The Information Commissioner, who regulates the Act, has confirmed that information about Strictly Come Dancing voting is not covered. We are therefore not required to disclose the voting figures under the Act.”
Yeah, I get that during the show, but it wouldn't harm them to release it after. I guess its to protect anyone who gets a little precious about coming last in the voting etc.... but I'd like to see them out of curiosity, even if its just the order they came in?
Originally Posted by Cestrian18:
“Yeah, I get that during the show, but it wouldn't harm them to release it after. I guess its to protect anyone who gets a little precious about coming last in the voting etc.... but I'd like to see them out of curiosity, even if its just the order they came in?”
“Yeah, I get that during the show, but it wouldn't harm them to release it after. I guess its to protect anyone who gets a little precious about coming last in the voting etc.... but I'd like to see them out of curiosity, even if its just the order they came in?”
Also it would look really bad if for example Jake had topped the public vote last night and the judges eliminated him in the dance off!
Originally Posted by Cal Christopher:
“Do they reveal the voting figures after the series has finished?”
“Do they reveal the voting figures after the series has finished?”
No, they never do.
Originally Posted by Nosaer:
“Also it would look really bad if for example Jake had topped the public vote last night and the judges eliminated him in the dance off!”
“Also it would look really bad if for example Jake had topped the public vote last night and the judges eliminated him in the dance off!”
Was that mathematically possible?
Originally Posted by fern3:
“Was that mathematically possible?”
“Was that mathematically possible?”
Mhmm, I did the math just to find out because I couldn't believe it, but it could have happened if the votes were like this:
Caroline - 5+2=7
Frankie - 4+3=7
Simon - 3+4=7
Mark - 2+1=3
Jake - 1+5=6
*First numbers represent their score from judges and second numbers represent the public vote.
I THINK that's the only way this could have happened though but I would highly doubt that Simon pulled in more vote than Caroline and Frankie.
Originally Posted by WallyWall2013:
“Mhmm, I did the math just to find out because I couldn't believe it, but it could have happened if the votes were like this:
Caroline - 5+2=7
Frankie - 4+3=7
Simon - 3+4=7
Mark - 2+1=3
Jake - 1+5=6
*First numbers represent their score from judges and second numbers represent the public vote.”
“Mhmm, I did the math just to find out because I couldn't believe it, but it could have happened if the votes were like this:
Caroline - 5+2=7
Frankie - 4+3=7
Simon - 3+4=7
Mark - 2+1=3
Jake - 1+5=6
*First numbers represent their score from judges and second numbers represent the public vote.”
Simon a touch more popular than Frankie? I can believe that Jake didn't have the lowest vote but I am not sure about that. Though I can believe the order roughly.
Edit: See you edited your post. I can see that Simon would probably have done better on the votes on the semi than he may have done in the past but we shall have to see how the final pans out.
Rather than voting these stays look interesting.
http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2014-...cally-speaking
http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2014-...cally-speaking
Originally Posted by yorkshirelass2:
“No, they never do.”
“No, they never do.”
Indeed.
I absolutely understand them not releasing voting figures during the series. It would effect much of the ongoing dynamics of the series.
But I am surprised they can stand up a case under Freedom of Information after the series has finished.
But they have been challenged a few times and do seem to get away with it in that they argue that it could effect future celebrities appearing.
I can't see why they can't at the end of the series at least release the voting order from each week, i.e. without disclosing the actual number of votes.
Originally Posted by fern3:
“Was that mathematically possible?”
“Was that mathematically possible?”
Yes I think it was - Jake needed to top the Public Vote Leader Board in
order to have even a chance of avoiding the dance off.
Len was not going to save Jake as he was championing Mark all along
Originally Posted by WallyWall2013:
“Mhmm, I did the math just to find out because I couldn't believe it, but it could have happened if the votes were like this:
Caroline - 5+2=7
Frankie - 4+3=7
Simon - 3+4=7
Mark - 2+1=3
Jake - 1+5=6
*First numbers represent their score from judges and second numbers represent the public vote.
I THINK that's the only way this could have happened though but I would highly doubt that Simon pulled in more vote than Caroline and Frankie.”
“Mhmm, I did the math just to find out because I couldn't believe it, but it could have happened if the votes were like this:
Caroline - 5+2=7
Frankie - 4+3=7
Simon - 3+4=7
Mark - 2+1=3
Jake - 1+5=6
*First numbers represent their score from judges and second numbers represent the public vote.
I THINK that's the only way this could have happened though but I would highly doubt that Simon pulled in more vote than Caroline and Frankie.”
I doubt very much that Jake got that many votes from the public for the performances that he gave. Also I'm not sure Simon received more votes than Caroline either
I think WallyWall2103 is right with his maths. If a celeb is at the bottom of the leader board there is one possible combination that leaves them in the dance off even if they top the public votes, but it would be a freak result way beyond what we've seen in the last two weeks. The system is designed so that a celeb who tops the public vote will reach the next round and the system delivers that over 99% of the time.
So the judges put Jake bottom of leader board, public votes in droves to save him and the judges dump him anyway. So that's judges 2 - public 1. I won't be voting again!
Originally Posted by Pauline_Tynan:
“Yes I think it was - Jake needed to top the Public Vote Leader Board in
order to have even a chance of avoiding the dance off.
Len was not going to save Jake as he was championing Mark all along”
“Yes I think it was - Jake needed to top the Public Vote Leader Board in
order to have even a chance of avoiding the dance off.
Len was not going to save Jake as he was championing Mark all along”
Jake could have been saved from as low as 3rd in the public vote, particularly with the two people above him shown to have been fairly consistantly not popular with the public.
Originally Posted by indiana44:
“Indeed.
I absolutely understand them not releasing voting figures during the series. It would effect much of the ongoing dynamics of the series.
But I am surprised they can stand up a case under Freedom of Information after the series has finished.
But they have been challenged a few times and do seem to get away with it in that they argue that it could effect future celebrities appearing.
I can't see why they can't at the end of the series at least release the voting order from each week, i.e. without disclosing the actual number of votes.”
“Indeed.
I absolutely understand them not releasing voting figures during the series. It would effect much of the ongoing dynamics of the series.
But I am surprised they can stand up a case under Freedom of Information after the series has finished.
But they have been challenged a few times and do seem to get away with it in that they argue that it could effect future celebrities appearing.
I can't see why they can't at the end of the series at least release the voting order from each week, i.e. without disclosing the actual number of votes.”
Dancing on Ice did it and survived.
Originally Posted by davegold:
“I think WallyWall2103 is right with his maths. If a celeb is at the bottom of the leader board there is one possible combination that leaves them in the dance off even if they top the public votes, but it would be a freak result way beyond what we've seen in the last two weeks. The system is designed so that a celeb who tops the public vote will reach the next round and the system delivers that over 99% of the time.”
“I think WallyWall2103 is right with his maths. If a celeb is at the bottom of the leader board there is one possible combination that leaves them in the dance off even if they top the public votes, but it would be a freak result way beyond what we've seen in the last two weeks. The system is designed so that a celeb who tops the public vote will reach the next round and the system delivers that over 99% of the time.”
One possible combination where Jake finishes top with the public and ends in the dance off. Several where he finishes second or third and is in the dance off. He needs to be no more than one position ahead of Simon and Mark bottom. That sounds a lot more likely.
The system is designed so that the judges can always get at least one celeb they choose to the next round.
I can see absolutely no valid reason to not publish the voting percentages after the final in the same way that X Factor have done - unless of course you have something to hide??
In the early years of SCD when a proportion of the telephone call income was given to Children in Need they wouldn't even say how much was raised so there is simply no indication of even the numbers of those who vote.
The amount donated included what was collected from the studio audience in buckets as it was when I was there!
Transparency should be all in this day and age?
In the early years of SCD when a proportion of the telephone call income was given to Children in Need they wouldn't even say how much was raised so there is simply no indication of even the numbers of those who vote.
The amount donated included what was collected from the studio audience in buckets as it was when I was there!
Transparency should be all in this day and age?
Originally Posted by hilary2329:
“I can see absolutely no valid reason to not publish the voting percentages after the final in the same way that X Factor have done - unless of course you have something to hide??
In the early years of SCD when a proportion of the telephone call income was given to Children in Need they wouldn't even say how much was raised so there is simply no indication of even the numbers of those who vote.
The amount donated included what was collected from the studio audience in buckets as it was when I was there!
Transparency should be all in this day and age?”
“I can see absolutely no valid reason to not publish the voting percentages after the final in the same way that X Factor have done - unless of course you have something to hide??
In the early years of SCD when a proportion of the telephone call income was given to Children in Need they wouldn't even say how much was raised so there is simply no indication of even the numbers of those who vote.
The amount donated included what was collected from the studio audience in buckets as it was when I was there!
Transparency should be all in this day and age?”
I think that the BIB is key. You're spot on. The BBC saying it isn't required to disclose the info is very outdated for this day and age. It reminds me of the old council and public services saying "Like it or lump it." (eg years ago, BT quoted three weeks for a landline phone repair, or British Gas not even bothering to answer the phone, all because they had no competition).
The BBC's reluctance to publish the figures and to be accountable publicly just makes me think they're engineering the whole show. Yes, I know we're psychologically manipulated via various means, but if (eg) Simon, being a 3xtimes Bottom 2 person, has actually topped the voters' board every week but the BBC has put him in the Bottom 2 just for drama I'd be very disappointed with the whole shebang.
I know it's scripted reality TV to an extent, such as the judges' comments, but to find out it isn't actually based on us phoning in would be a severe disappointment. The reluctance to publish the figures just makes me believe they're fabricating the show.
Originally Posted by scarlotti:
“From the BBC's Strictly page.......
We invite you to vote for the dancers that you liked best, based on their performance in each show and during the series. Releasing voting figures could affect the way that people vote, and also have an impact on the participants. We therefore do not disclose the exact voting figures.
Although the BBC is subject to the Freedom of Information Act, information which is closely connected to our programme-making is not covered by the Act. The Information Commissioner, who regulates the Act, has confirmed that information about Strictly Come Dancing voting is not covered. We are therefore not required to disclose the voting figures under the Act.”
“From the BBC's Strictly page.......
We invite you to vote for the dancers that you liked best, based on their performance in each show and during the series. Releasing voting figures could affect the way that people vote, and also have an impact on the participants. We therefore do not disclose the exact voting figures.
Although the BBC is subject to the Freedom of Information Act, information which is closely connected to our programme-making is not covered by the Act. The Information Commissioner, who regulates the Act, has confirmed that information about Strictly Come Dancing voting is not covered. We are therefore not required to disclose the voting figures under the Act.”
This lends itself to manipulation's galore. Not only can they manipulate with the double power that the judges currently have, but they can clearly lie about the popular vote as well. there's nobody to stop them from lying, this whole show is a travesty.
Originally Posted by Cestrian18:
“Yeah, I get that during the show, but it wouldn't harm them to release it after. I guess its to protect anyone who gets a little precious about coming last in the voting etc.... but I'd like to see them out of curiosity, even if its just the order they came in?”
“Yeah, I get that during the show, but it wouldn't harm them to release it after. I guess its to protect anyone who gets a little precious about coming last in the voting etc.... but I'd like to see them out of curiosity, even if its just the order they came in?”
Agree, also regarding the money from the telephone votes, a percentage was previously given to Children in Need, now nothing is mention about any of the incoming money being given to charity. How much money is generated by phone votes each series for the BBC, absolute silence on that subject!!
Im amazed we don't get to know voting results when the series ends, ok maybe not actual figures to save celebs any embarrassment if they got very few votes but at least a table of who came where every week and its ridiculous that after investing so much time on the show you don't even know who is second or third.
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