Make the iTunes downloads count for half of the vote. You might look pretty but can you actually sell music?
Changes to be made for The X Factor 2015?
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Axe the arena auditions - only introduced after Susan Boyle on britains got talent and crowd reaction to her. To me it's crap.
Axe arena boot camp -only reason that overload shite made finals was because of the carry on the girls in audience had over them rather than them being talented.
Don't have theme weeks - let them choose own songs.
Get rid of judges their bickering and constant same remarks are stale and add nothing. Different presenters could introduce acts from the different categories
Axe arena boot camp -only reason that overload shite made finals was because of the carry on the girls in audience had over them rather than them being talented.
Don't have theme weeks - let them choose own songs.
Get rid of judges their bickering and constant same remarks are stale and add nothing. Different presenters could introduce acts from the different categories
Quite simple. Go back to basics.
The X Factor needs to go back to how it was in the early series. Everyone's pretty much hit the nail on the head.
I think Simon is aware he's created a monster from X Factor and he insists on making it "better" but his idea of "better" is to make it more far fetched.
Everything we would like to change about X Factor will never happen because of this. It'll just get more and more wacky to the point where you won't be able to tell the difference between an X Factor final and a BGT final (that's right, a girl who sings with a dancing dog could win X Factor 2015).
The X Factor needs to go back to how it was in the early series. Everyone's pretty much hit the nail on the head.
I think Simon is aware he's created a monster from X Factor and he insists on making it "better" but his idea of "better" is to make it more far fetched.
Everything we would like to change about X Factor will never happen because of this. It'll just get more and more wacky to the point where you won't be able to tell the difference between an X Factor final and a BGT final (that's right, a girl who sings with a dancing dog could win X Factor 2015).
Originally Posted by Master Ozzy:
“This is what I would do:
Axe the arena auditions
I absolutely hate them. Many acts get through based on the crowds reaction and response and not what the judges think. I like the room auditions as we actually hear the acts do what they want. I can't stand the arena auditions when we hear the crowd shouting the odds and booing etc.
Axe the 6 chair challenge
The only reason they even have this is to cause controversey. It's a complete mess with acts beign swapped in and out, then acts returning.
More emphasis on bootcamp
I want bootcamp more like it used it to be. If they get past the room audition they should then go to bootcamp where they have to do a number of different singing tasks and activities like in the early days, with this stage then concluding with each act having to perform to songs in front of just the judges.
Axe the themes
This seriously needs to be done. The show is absolutely obsessed with the idea that if you can't adhere to each theme every week, then you're rubbish. It's just not realistic and not representive of how things work in the real world. Take Sam Smith for example...he's hugely talented and successful, yet if he had gone on the X Factor and performed a rock song and done it badly, he would have been made out to be rubbish and not up to scratch. Real different and uniquer artists have left the show due to crappy themes. Janet Devlin being ane example...personally, she wasn't my cup of tea, but making an artist like her adhere to ridoculous themes that she wouldn't even touch in the real world is stupid. How are acts suppsoed to show the artist they want to be when they're having to adhere to such stupid restrictions.
Allow acts to perform their own songs
This would really change things. Let acts really show their talent and imject some new life into the show. Imagine an act performing their own song, viewers loving it and it rocketing up the iTunes chart. It would chaneg the show a lot. I don't think Simon has the guts to allow this though as it wouldn't allow him to be the puppet master as much.
Axe the set-up and fake scenes
These are just so cringy. Setting up scenes pretending acts are having genuine conversations backstage. They treat the viewers like iditos.
New judges
I don't think there's any way of getting rid of Simon again. It's his show and he likes to be in control, so I think we may have to just afce the fact he'll be on the panel. However, they need to get rid of the other three. I mean, Cheryl...seriously?!! Back in 2008/2009/2010 she the lineup was fresh and it worked, but it's time to move on and he needs to drop his obsession with her. She's just not working as a judge anymore, and I'm sorry but having her sit there along with Mel B and both of them judge people on singing when the two of them are crap is just ridiculous. Nicole Scherzinger and Kelly Rowland are actually good singers, however they would give honest critiques about the acts, and I suspect that this is why they didn't return. Simon likes judges who will join in with his manipulation, and they didn't really toe that line. Good singers need to be on the panel, and I'm not talking about people at the level of Beyonce or Rihanna...all Simon needs is people who can sing very well and who have big personalities.”
“This is what I would do:
Axe the arena auditions
I absolutely hate them. Many acts get through based on the crowds reaction and response and not what the judges think. I like the room auditions as we actually hear the acts do what they want. I can't stand the arena auditions when we hear the crowd shouting the odds and booing etc.
Axe the 6 chair challenge
The only reason they even have this is to cause controversey. It's a complete mess with acts beign swapped in and out, then acts returning.
More emphasis on bootcamp
I want bootcamp more like it used it to be. If they get past the room audition they should then go to bootcamp where they have to do a number of different singing tasks and activities like in the early days, with this stage then concluding with each act having to perform to songs in front of just the judges.
Axe the themes
This seriously needs to be done. The show is absolutely obsessed with the idea that if you can't adhere to each theme every week, then you're rubbish. It's just not realistic and not representive of how things work in the real world. Take Sam Smith for example...he's hugely talented and successful, yet if he had gone on the X Factor and performed a rock song and done it badly, he would have been made out to be rubbish and not up to scratch. Real different and uniquer artists have left the show due to crappy themes. Janet Devlin being ane example...personally, she wasn't my cup of tea, but making an artist like her adhere to ridoculous themes that she wouldn't even touch in the real world is stupid. How are acts suppsoed to show the artist they want to be when they're having to adhere to such stupid restrictions.
Allow acts to perform their own songs
This would really change things. Let acts really show their talent and imject some new life into the show. Imagine an act performing their own song, viewers loving it and it rocketing up the iTunes chart. It would chaneg the show a lot. I don't think Simon has the guts to allow this though as it wouldn't allow him to be the puppet master as much.
Axe the set-up and fake scenes
These are just so cringy. Setting up scenes pretending acts are having genuine conversations backstage. They treat the viewers like iditos.
New judges
I don't think there's any way of getting rid of Simon again. It's his show and he likes to be in control, so I think we may have to just afce the fact he'll be on the panel. However, they need to get rid of the other three. I mean, Cheryl...seriously?!! Back in 2008/2009/2010 she the lineup was fresh and it worked, but it's time to move on and he needs to drop his obsession with her. She's just not working as a judge anymore, and I'm sorry but having her sit there along with Mel B and both of them judge people on singing when the two of them are crap is just ridiculous. Nicole Scherzinger and Kelly Rowland are actually good singers, however they would give honest critiques about the acts, and I suspect that this is why they didn't return. Simon likes judges who will join in with his manipulation, and they didn't really toe that line. Good singers need to be on the panel, and I'm not talking about people at the level of Beyonce or Rihanna...all Simon needs is people who can sing very well and who have big personalities.”
I agree with all of this, Bootcamp this year consisted of half of them being sent home before being given a chance to perform again
The Arena auditions are annoying, you don't even get to hear the act because they're all screaming so I don't know how any judging is supposed to be done.
The themes are the biggest problem, the acts should all pick their own songs. The trouble with that is you'll end up with someone credible actually winning rather than the one Simon/Producers want.
I don't think the judging panel is all that important though. Cheryl says what I am thinking the majority of the time but it all falls into petty squabbling and they just make themselves look a bit stupid. The draw for me is making the judgement of the act myself I don't need "professional" judges to tell me how to think or who to vote for.
Originally Posted by 21stCenturyBoy:
“Make the iTunes downloads count for half of the vote. You might look pretty but can you actually sell music?”
“Make the iTunes downloads count for half of the vote. You might look pretty but can you actually sell music?”
I don't agree with this. This year showed that ballads always do better than up-tempos on the iTunes chart. What if someone's overall performance was amazing but the song didn't allow much of a vocal moment?
Originally Posted by burbe:
“They need to overhaul the results show format - it's very tired and now boring. They should stick to the new format in the last few weeks of announcing the results in the middle and sing-off as normal after another guest act. They need to axe deadlock and maybe have a rotating guest fifth judge on Sunday who is one of the guest performers with the casting vote. More exciting guest acts would be good too, especially on the final.
More controversially, I think they need to replace Dermot now. He's becoming a bit tired on the show and it could do with some fresh blood. The judges work fine together this year, except maybe Cheryl. I wouldn't be opposed to replacing Cheryl with either Kelly Rowland or Nicole Scherzinger.
I quite like the Room Auditions and I prefer them to the Arena auditions. But they only need one audition - I think having both stages is too much. As a result, there should be more emphasis on the old style of bootcamp and replace the judges' houses stage with the four or three chair challenge.”
“They need to overhaul the results show format - it's very tired and now boring. They should stick to the new format in the last few weeks of announcing the results in the middle and sing-off as normal after another guest act. They need to axe deadlock and maybe have a rotating guest fifth judge on Sunday who is one of the guest performers with the casting vote. More exciting guest acts would be good too, especially on the final.
More controversially, I think they need to replace Dermot now. He's becoming a bit tired on the show and it could do with some fresh blood. The judges work fine together this year, except maybe Cheryl. I wouldn't be opposed to replacing Cheryl with either Kelly Rowland or Nicole Scherzinger.
I quite like the Room Auditions and I prefer them to the Arena auditions. But they only need one audition - I think having both stages is too much. As a result, there should be more emphasis on the old style of bootcamp and replace the judges' houses stage with the four or three chair challenge.”
BIB. Agreed, he needs to go in order to give the show new life and freshness imo but not sure who could replace him as current ITV presenters are not the best
Originally Posted by Master Ozzy:
“The Voice isn't any better. Trying to convince viewers that it's all about the voice, when we all now it's not. The amount of times the judges hear an amazing voice, but look dissapoitned when they turn around...”
“The Voice isn't any better. Trying to convince viewers that it's all about the voice, when we all now it's not. The amount of times the judges hear an amazing voice, but look dissapoitned when they turn around...”
And when they can't tell whether the person singing is a man or a woman, is soooo annoying too
Get rid of Louis and Mel. Louis is way past his sell by date and added zilch this year apart from being a hopeless mentor. Mel isn't credible a judge and she has been quite rude this year IMO.
Back to basics: no more backing singers/tracks at judges houses etc, go back to the old bootcamp and JUST do room auditions, stop all the massive stage set ups.
STOP THE LONG VTS!!! There are more VTs than there is singing, no one cares if you were a fishmonger, if your parents split up and got back together or that you were in some band with you brother.
Back to basics: no more backing singers/tracks at judges houses etc, go back to the old bootcamp and JUST do room auditions, stop all the massive stage set ups.
STOP THE LONG VTS!!! There are more VTs than there is singing, no one cares if you were a fishmonger, if your parents split up and got back together or that you were in some band with you brother.
Originally Posted by GracieL:
“Get rid of Louis and Mel. Louis is way past his sell by date and added zilch this year apart from being a hopeless mentor. Mel isn't credible a judge and she has been quite rude this year IMO.
Back to basics: no more backing singers/tracks at judges houses etc, go back to the old bootcamp and JUST do room auditions, stop all the massive stage set ups.
STOP THE LONG VTS!!! There are more VTs than there is singing, no one cares if you were a fishmonger, if your parents split up and got back together or that you were in some band with you brother.”
“Get rid of Louis and Mel. Louis is way past his sell by date and added zilch this year apart from being a hopeless mentor. Mel isn't credible a judge and she has been quite rude this year IMO.
Back to basics: no more backing singers/tracks at judges houses etc, go back to the old bootcamp and JUST do room auditions, stop all the massive stage set ups.
STOP THE LONG VTS!!! There are more VTs than there is singing, no one cares if you were a fishmonger, if your parents split up and got back together or that you were in some band with you brother.”
BiB - imo the judges aren't rude enough , if someone sucks, and there were a lot of performances that fell into that category this year, I want judges who will tell them they suck
the judges are far too nice to mediocre acts and need to be allowed "off their leash" by the producers to tell it like it is
I think they should change the format as follows
Judges, Simon, someone like Noel Gallagher and Jessie J and then two very experienced (if unknown to the public) A and R people.
then scrap room auditions and have the judges take areas and literally scout for talent in pubs and clubs through word of mouth with cameras following them, including live bands.
Then with final acts picked going to boot camp, no judges houses also with only tgd best acts going through, no bad/cringey auditions.
I would then take the format of X factor the making of a star. With more footage of practice and training, make up, styling etc. Forget the sob stories we're sick of them. You could easily facilitate two live bands in the finals, one at start, one at end to allow for set up.
Scrap themes and allow for acts to sing songs that best represents their own genre.
I think the first part would make great tv with a sort of walk and talk camera action while judges go to venues possibly incognito to view initial acts.
Judges, Simon, someone like Noel Gallagher and Jessie J and then two very experienced (if unknown to the public) A and R people.
then scrap room auditions and have the judges take areas and literally scout for talent in pubs and clubs through word of mouth with cameras following them, including live bands.
Then with final acts picked going to boot camp, no judges houses also with only tgd best acts going through, no bad/cringey auditions.
I would then take the format of X factor the making of a star. With more footage of practice and training, make up, styling etc. Forget the sob stories we're sick of them. You could easily facilitate two live bands in the finals, one at start, one at end to allow for set up.
Scrap themes and allow for acts to sing songs that best represents their own genre.
I think the first part would make great tv with a sort of walk and talk camera action while judges go to venues possibly incognito to view initial acts.
I also agree about Dermot going. He's a very good presenter, but he's feeling a bit stale now. It's nothing to do with anything he's done, it's just it's all a bit boring now and they need someone new. The problem is, they would probably get a really well known big presenter to replace him, but what would work better is someone who is very experienced, but has never done a huge show. I would be all for Caroline Flack...she's done spin off shows like the Xtra Factor obviously, but she's never done a big show. She's a very natural, relaxed presenter, brings a bit of humour, she's laid back, good rapport with the judges. The whole routine of Dermot coming out every Saturday, doing his dance, repeating the same old bloody lines...it's boring and out of date now.
Originally Posted by Jinnyjoe1:
“I think they should change the format as follows
Judges, Simon, someone like Noel Gallagher and Jessie J and then two very experienced (if unknown to the public) A and R people.
then scrap room auditions and have the judges take areas and literally scout for talent in pubs and clubs through word of mouth with cameras following them, including live bands.Then with final acts picked going to boot camp, no judges houses also with only tgd best acts going through, no bad/cringey auditions.
I would then take the format of X factor the making of a star. With more footage of practice and training, make up, styling etc. Forget the sob stories we're sick of them. You could easily facilitate two live bands in the finals, one at start, one at end to allow for set up.
Scrap themes and allow for acts to sing songs that best represents their own genre.
I think the first part would make great tv with a sort of walk and talk camera action while judges go to venues possibly incognito to view initial acts.”
“I think they should change the format as follows
Judges, Simon, someone like Noel Gallagher and Jessie J and then two very experienced (if unknown to the public) A and R people.
then scrap room auditions and have the judges take areas and literally scout for talent in pubs and clubs through word of mouth with cameras following them, including live bands.Then with final acts picked going to boot camp, no judges houses also with only tgd best acts going through, no bad/cringey auditions.
I would then take the format of X factor the making of a star. With more footage of practice and training, make up, styling etc. Forget the sob stories we're sick of them. You could easily facilitate two live bands in the finals, one at start, one at end to allow for set up.
Scrap themes and allow for acts to sing songs that best represents their own genre.
I think the first part would make great tv with a sort of walk and talk camera action while judges go to venues possibly incognito to view initial acts.”
This would never, ever work. The type of people who sing in pubs and clubs, and live bands etc are not the type of people that Simon would want to sign. Also, they would have to go to absolutely thousands of pubs and clubs to find the number of acts they would need to make it past the first stage of the show.
The X Factor will always be manipulated and uncomfortable to watch as long as it is allowed. You can make all these changes to the format but nothing will happen, they will always get their winnerand bin off the ones they dont like.
Originally Posted by qwerty_1234:
“The X Factor will always be manipulated and uncomfortable to watch as long as it is allowed. You can make all these changes to the format but nothing will happen, they will always get their winnerand bin off the ones they dont like.”
“The X Factor will always be manipulated and uncomfortable to watch as long as it is allowed. You can make all these changes to the format but nothing will happen, they will always get their winnerand bin off the ones they dont like.”
I agree. At the end of the day, the prize is a contract with Simon Cowell and it's his show. No matter what changes are made, the show will always be manipulated as much as possible so that he can try and get the winner he wants.
TBH people moan about the manipulation and say they wont watch it again but come august they'll be the first ones on this forum talking about the first audition show
Originally Posted by Matthew_Howarth:
“And when they can't tell whether the person singing is a man or a woman, is soooo annoying too ”
“And when they can't tell whether the person singing is a man or a woman, is soooo annoying too
”
The Voice has a lot of faults for sure, and the Voice UK in particular has never generated the dynamicism that the US panel has in spades. And i hate the live format this years lives in the US went from Top 8 to 5 in a WEEK which was just ridiculous but DAMN did their two nights result show just completely piss all over ours.
Duet partners of Jessie J, Jennifer Hudson, Fall Out Boy (yes Fall Out Boy) were carefully chosen according to the finalists genre of music
Also carefully matched were the ORIGINAL song choices each of the four finalists were given. Not a generic 'winners single cover' in sight.
They even had all four shoot a 'proper' music video which is on youtube and released all four finalists tracks to itunes where The Voice is absolutely dominating the Top 10.
Oh yeah and they also secured Mark Ronson and Bruno Mars to perform Uptown Funk. Which as good as Fleurs was, was sensational. I wondered if they chose The Voice over the XF but then Mr Sheeran popped up so it was possible to do both.
If The Voice UK takes some of these aspects particularly original songs and videos then it might actually feel fresh compared to XF.
Originally Posted by Robert_Whippy:
“TBH people moan about the manipulation and say they wont watch it again but come august they'll be the first ones on this forum talking about the first audition show”
“TBH people moan about the manipulation and say they wont watch it again but come august they'll be the first ones on this forum talking about the first audition show”
thing is Robert , people only complain about the manipulation when they think something has negatively affected their favourite , whether it did or not
most of the time the person who leaves each week really was just the worst act and not because of any conspiracy but most people prefer to think there was some ulterior motive rather than accept their favourite wasn't as good as they were making them out to be for the previous 2 months
and before I get accused of being naïve , I am more than aware that the show attempts to influence voters , I just don't think its as important as some people do or that it affects the outcomes as much as some people do
Originally Posted by Robert_Whippy:
“TBH people moan about the manipulation and say they wont watch it again but come august they'll be the first ones on this forum talking about the first audition show”
“TBH people moan about the manipulation and say they wont watch it again but come august they'll be the first ones on this forum talking about the first audition show”
Oh I won't be moaning about it. It's my favourite part of the show!
Originally Posted by Jinnyjoe1:
“I think they should change the format as follows
Judges, Simon, someone like Noel Gallagher and Jessie J and then two very experienced (if unknown to the public) A and R people.
then scrap room auditions and have the judges take areas and literally scout for talent in pubs and clubs through word of mouth with cameras following them, including live bands.
Then with final acts picked going to boot camp, no judges houses also with only tgd best acts going through, no bad/cringey auditions.
I would then take the format of X factor the making of a star. With more footage of practice and training, make up, styling etc. Forget the sob stories we're sick of them. You could easily facilitate two live bands in the finals, one at start, one at end to allow for set up.
Scrap themes and allow for acts to sing songs that best represents their own genre.
I think the first part would make great tv with a sort of walk and talk camera action while judges go to venues possibly incognito to view initial acts.”
“I think they should change the format as follows
Judges, Simon, someone like Noel Gallagher and Jessie J and then two very experienced (if unknown to the public) A and R people.
then scrap room auditions and have the judges take areas and literally scout for talent in pubs and clubs through word of mouth with cameras following them, including live bands.
Then with final acts picked going to boot camp, no judges houses also with only tgd best acts going through, no bad/cringey auditions.
I would then take the format of X factor the making of a star. With more footage of practice and training, make up, styling etc. Forget the sob stories we're sick of them. You could easily facilitate two live bands in the finals, one at start, one at end to allow for set up.
Scrap themes and allow for acts to sing songs that best represents their own genre.
I think the first part would make great tv with a sort of walk and talk camera action while judges go to venues possibly incognito to view initial acts.”
But they already do this and have been since before Elvis became big. The whole point of the talent shows was that instead of having record labels scout for talent, potential talent could come to them. This might work but if so it would be a completely different show. Pretty much all the singers who are not from talent shows were discovered by scouts.
The premise of XF, BGT, etc is that people who for whatever reason didn't get on the radar before could demonstrate what they can do and be given a chance.
I am a fan of the show, but, it Is the themes that annoy me the most as 60% of the songs sung each year are the same. This year inparticular i found most of the song choices extremely boring. I feel contestants should be allowed sing whatever they want, form their own style and sing the style of music they are best at.
I think bringing Cheryl back was a huge mistake, Simon and Cheryl are not as popular as Simon believed, he was certain their return would increase ratings when in fact they decreased, but that said, the judging panel needs consistency so i feel for 2015 it may be best for the judges to remain the same.
I think bringing Cheryl back was a huge mistake, Simon and Cheryl are not as popular as Simon believed, he was certain their return would increase ratings when in fact they decreased, but that said, the judging panel needs consistency so i feel for 2015 it may be best for the judges to remain the same.
Originally Posted by RickyLeeds85:
“BIB. Agreed, he needs to go in order to give the show new life and freshness imo but not sure who could replace him as current ITV presenters are not the best”
“BIB. Agreed, he needs to go in order to give the show new life and freshness imo but not sure who could replace him as current ITV presenters are not the best
”
Maybe they could promote Sarah Jane Crawford or perhaps steal Emma Willis from The Voice.
Judges: (two American judges but I think the chemistry will be great)
Simon Cowell (Girls)
Paula Abdul (Overs)
Demi Lovato (Boys)
Robbie Williams (Groups)
Hosts:
Dave Berry & Lisa Snowdon
Format:
Arena Auditions (same shit)
Bootcamp Workshops ( - each category group meet with industry specialists where they train and give them advice before meeting the judges again)
Bootcamp Performances (TWIST - acts perform infront of judges AND audience (BGT audition size) and perform their trained Bootcamp performance, judges give opinions but ONLY the judge of the category decides if they make it to the next round
Judges Houses (TWIST - after performances we go live to studio where the public votes on who makes the final 3 for each category)
Live Finals
Simon Cowell (Girls)
Paula Abdul (Overs)
Demi Lovato (Boys)
Robbie Williams (Groups)
Hosts:
Dave Berry & Lisa Snowdon
Format:
Arena Auditions (same shit)
Bootcamp Workshops ( - each category group meet with industry specialists where they train and give them advice before meeting the judges again)
Bootcamp Performances (TWIST - acts perform infront of judges AND audience (BGT audition size) and perform their trained Bootcamp performance, judges give opinions but ONLY the judge of the category decides if they make it to the next round
Judges Houses (TWIST - after performances we go live to studio where the public votes on who makes the final 3 for each category)
Live Finals
I'll be honest, I don't think they need to change much. Just tweak the titles to be fresher, and have a change from the current big booming voice man - Dermot walking on and spinning round - OTT judges introduction and walk-down - the rest of the stuff that is EXACTLY THE SAME EVERY WEEK. It's just all same-old every week.
That and get rid of the themes, as discussed. But I have no doubt that this will happen next year anyway.
That and get rid of the themes, as discussed. But I have no doubt that this will happen next year anyway.
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