But why say you never wanted her to win when you've posted thousands of time in the last few weeks saying you did?

Why lie to create a point? It doesn't work.

This is very true.

Yep and I bet they wish they never did, its quite obvious Simon is going to put Ben to one side for Fleur.

yeah wanted her to win, before it was overly obvious she wasnt going to so top 2 was what I wanted, it happened.

why would they wish they never did ?

if they hadn't won its not like they would have had more promotion or more support than they got for winning ...

So, you did want her to win?

And you saying you didn't previously in this thread, was made up to generate a point trying to justify why she didn't win?

Got it now, thanks.

Whats with the attitude problem

I said when it was obvious she wasnt going to win, I said Ben would win go and look through all my posts if you like.

another excuse

if she wins you come on and gloat that you always knew she would win

if she doesn't win you come on and say you really didn't want her to win

just so you can put a positive spin on it either way ...

What attitude? Me realising your lie?

Fleurs % didn't dramatically fall In the final, so it's safe to assume she didn't win, not because people thought it was obvious as wouldn't, but because she just didn't have the support.

ben won which i think is the best result as he is the best singer. fluer maybe able to dance but she doesnt have the greatest voice yes she can sing but ben is a much better singer. its not a dancing competition also ben was top with the public vote for the past 7 weeks he deserves it so much fluer was never top with public and therefore didnt deserve to win. i think lauren should of been in the final instead of andrea because it should of been taken to deadlock and lauren had the higher number of votes. i dont think it would of changed the winner though but maybe it would of been between ben and lauren instead of ben and fleur

Matt Cardle: 3 Albums Charting at 2, 8 & 11 Respectively...Most Recent of which was in 2013. 3 Singles Also in the top 20.

Joe McElderry: 4 Albums Charting at 3, 2, 8 & 15 Respectively...Most Recent of which was in 2012. 2 Singles in the top 10

James Arthur: Number 2 Album and 3 Singles in the Top 20


Sure Leon & Steve struggled to get out of the starting gate but you DONT NEED countless Number 1 Singles/Albums to NOT be considered a Flop.

Conescutive Singles & Albums in the Top 20 Is Successful. Its not setting the world on fire...But far from a "Flop"

No because win or lose everyone knew Fleur was clearly going to get signed so whats the big deal??

That may be true. We've witnessed it enough in the past. But if so then it's another nail in the XF coffin as more and more people lose faith in the point of voting.

However, If you're so sure of this, why are you (and other less reasonable Fleur Fans) bothering to fight her battles for her on here? And why did you bother voting?

[I feel I need to put a disclaimer at the bottom of all my posts currently stating that I rate neither Ben or Fleur, particularly.]

James arthur was the best male winner we've had. IMO

Way to bring the tone down

Unreasonable me?? Ive said I hope Ben succeeds as well as Fleur, also Fighting battles Im not, I just saying its been 11 years so we all know the winners curse so people will be skeptical, whoever won.

Daily Mail even wrote a page about winning isnt great.

oh if the daily mail wrote about it that's me convinced ...

Ahhh The Daily Mail...The only paper to match the credibility of a Radio 1 DJ from the 70's in court.

Id rather read the Star

Out of the 11 winners - most have been successful. See post above. Joe, Matt, Leona, Alexandra, Sam Bailey, James Arthur and Little Mix have all had an OKAY amount of success. So 7 out of 11 isn't bad.

This curse is decided due to number 1s more than anything. Joe and Matt have had 3 top 10 albums for God sake.

Im just saying.

Success remains to be seen - from all of them.

HOLD UP. THE DAILY MAIL!? I MUST HAVE A LOOK!

Yes and Simon says okay success isnt good enough - Im sure theyre happy with what they have achieved but Simon is all about the money.

But Simon wasn't the boss when Joe or Matt got their 3rd top 10. Their success is great.

Jeez, it's being so cheerful that keeps some people going! That and salivating at the thought of someone failing.

I thought this is the season of good will.