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Why do people think Soloman is not good enough?
Have I been watching the same show? Yes, he has not had too much air time, but also take into consideration that he has never been in any drama either..
With that said, throughout the weeks, he has usually given a positive input to the tasks, especially with his selling techniques. He has also made good decisions in previous tasks, and has shown some creativity in his character. I cant recall much of Bianca if I am honest, and for me Roisin is more or less in a similar position to Soloman, Daniel has had more downfalls than positives. Mark has done very well however. |
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His selling is fine, but doesn't stand out. His PMship was a win, but an iffy win on a Mickey Mouse task. I think the general sense isn't that he's awful, but that he's been perhaps a little oversold and seldom challenged.
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His selling is fine, but doesn't stand out. His PMship was a win, but an iffy win on a Mickey Mouse task. I think the general sense isn't that he's awful, but that he's been perhaps a little oversold and seldom challenged.
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I agree with the OP. Where has this baffling hate for Solomon come from? He was doing very well up until the negotiation episode where he got one bad edit and now people seem to dislike him. He's still one of the best, IMO.
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I agree with the OP. Where has this baffling hate for Solomon come from? He was doing very well up until the negotiation episode where he got one bad edit and now people seem to dislike him. He's still one of the best, IMO.
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Is he this year's Jade? Thought of as being an all-round poor candidate essentially for messing up one task and performing adequately at the very least on all the others.
Of course, with a low risk, high gain, plan, that may make no difference to his prospects. |
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I think the argument would be that unless everyone else is inadequate, adequate shouldn't be enough to win. He has a PM win , but he also had the best options to collaborate with on that task, and his youtube otherwise scored fewer hits than Ella's effort - which was panned .He's got a weaker show record than Bianca or Roisin. He's also looked lost at times, and invisible even more.
Of course, with a low risk, high gain, plan, that may make no difference to his prospects. The majority of tasks he was faced with was done well, and as a bonus, he has a creative streak, and along with a business plan under social media and technology. Those factors are what business leaders are looking for these days, especially since the digital platform is an ideal option for businesses now |
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He could win. He reminds me very much of Tom who wasn't that great in his series either.
I honestly can't call this series. I think if you went by the tasks alone Roisin would be the clear favourite. But at this stage I think absolutely any of them can win if it's down to their business proposals. I just can't call it and I wouldn't be surprised at any of them winning now as they've got to this point. |
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I agree with the OP. Where has this baffling hate for Solomon come from? He was doing very well up until the negotiation episode where he got one bad edit and now people seem to dislike him. He's still one of the best, IMO.
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The YouTube task was not just to measure how many hits you can make, since that itself is extremely hard to do, whether you're an expert or not. That was a measure of the process individuals went through to achieve the final outcome and Soloman did that very well. Looking lost is not a reason for someone being a bad candidate, and Roisin has achieved similar levels to him.
The majority of tasks he was faced with was done well, and as a bonus, he has a creative streak, and along with a business plan under social media and technology. Those factors are what business leaders are looking for these days, especially since the digital platform is an ideal option for businesses now Its true he spotted the strategic logic of going with the site with most traffic - but that was a bit of a no brainer given how little the alternative had . Pushing the alternative site, as some did, ought have been a firing offence though. Its also true, as you say, that he may be in a growth technology sector that his Lordship likes, at least he didn't lose on the internet task that was nearest to a direct test for him, , and he could well argue that youtube isn't very related to what he proposes anyway. |
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He is just there, he doesnt really do anything but smile like a serial killer
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To be honest I'm a bit surprised that people think he IS good enough.
He's far from the worst I've seen but there's been nothing really about him that stands out. His inane and somewhat bizarre grinning when presenting, and his lack of input wasn't great for his profile and when even Daniel looks better than him on a task, you know things haven't gone great. He's ok, and competent in a number of things I'd say but nothing special. |
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I think Solomon has sold more than just quite well - he's been excellent on a number of tasks (coach tours, board games - he closed the sale with Waterstones after Bianca's exclusivity gaffe and also at the country show). He has lots of energy, lots of ideas, seems well liked too. He does come across as immature at times, he *is* young and he's also not had that much business experience, having only recently graduated university.
For me, he's fully deserving of being in the final five. Just because he hasn't gone about tasks in a flashy way doesn't mean he's been quiet or invisible. I've seen plenty of him throughout the process - more than Bianca, who has been fairly quiet other than a few 'big' moments. |
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Watching last night's final 5 show I started thinking that Solomon could win this.
Mainly going by what he's into, plus having a creative streak. I think AS would be looking for candidates who are ideas people who know what they're doing. I do think Solomon ticks a lot of boxes of the type AS likes. A bit like Tom the inventor from a previous series. Some say that Mark is a strong candidate mainly based on his ability to sell, which he seems to be very good at. But as Daniel said in a previous episode, if AS wants a great salesman then Mark's his man. Contrasting Solomon with Mark, Mark doesn't seem to possess the diversity of a skillset that Solomon has. In fact Mark is relatively dull when it comes to ideas. He can pitch well usually, but this is a situation where AS wants the person to generate the ideas that are eventually pitched to someone. Mark can sell really well and that's where he excels. But I think AS is looking for a lot more than that, and this is why I think Solomon may possibly be a stronger candidate than Mark. |
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I said before hasn't done anything really wrong, but hasn't done anything really right. He's the series "grey man" much like Tom, he does enough not to be in the firing line, and again does just enough not too be called out unlike Roisin. It wouldn't surprise me if he won, I'm thinking his BP is web based, something LS likes, has decent returns for very little outlay, on start up costs.
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To be honest I'm a bit surprised that people think he IS good enough.
He's far from the worst I've seen but there's been nothing really about him that stands out. His inane and somewhat bizarre grinning when presenting, and his lack of input wasn't great for his profile and when even Daniel looks better than him on a task, you know things haven't gone great. He's ok, and competent in a number of things I'd say but nothing special. Every year when people look to the potential winner, the candidate's ability as a salesperson always seems to take main priority over everything else. It's as though we can't help looking at it from that perspective, it's almost like it's been programmed into our genes to believe that this is the most important trait for a candidate on this show. But when you look at the long list of candidates over the years, it's just about every series where the star salesperson of the series doesn't win. It seems that AS looks for a more varied skillset, and it's often some of the candidates who don't stand out so much that have gone on to win. This goes way back to series one when Tim was the winner. The very strong salespeople of each series tend to get very far in the process but don't win. In fact I can't remember the star salesperson of any series winning the show. There may be one or two, but I can't remember them. |
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I said before hasn't done anything really wrong, but hasn't done anything really right. He's the series "grey man" much like Tom, he does enough not to be in the firing line, and again does just enough not too be called out unlike Roisin. It wouldn't surprise me if he won, I'm thinking his BP is web based, something LS likes, has decent returns for very little outlay, on start up costs.
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That's arguably a strength though. Several previous winners haven't really stood because they were particularly good at one thing, and in fact were very steady throughout the series having a relatively quiet series compared to the star salesmen or saleswomen.
Every year when people look to the potential winner, the candidate's ability as a salesperson always seems to take main priority over everything else. It's as though we can't help looking at it from that perspective, it's almost like it's been programmed into our genes to believe that this is the most important trait for a candidate on this show. But when you look at the long list of candidates over the years, it's just about every series where the star salesperson of the series doesn't win. It seems that AS looks for a more varied skillset, and it's often some of the candidates who don't stand out so much that have gone on to win. This goes way back to series one when Tim was the winner. The very strong salespeople of each series tend to get very far in the process but don't win. In fact I can't remember the star salesperson of any series winning the show. There may be one or two, but I can't remember them. As I say, I don't think he is the worst, in fact far from it. He's certainly competent at certain things but for me doesn't stand out as being really good in any. I'd have Roisin and Mark ahead of him and for me he's on a par with Bianca with poor old Daniel bringing up the rear. As long as someone isn't totally incompetent, it's more down to who has the most desirable business plan under this current format anyway, so he's most certainly in with a shout. |
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Watching last night's final 5 show I started thinking that Solomon could win this.
Mainly going by what he's into, plus having a creative streak. I think AS would be looking for candidates who are ideas people who know what they're doing. I do think Solomon ticks a lot of boxes of the type AS likes. A bit like Tom the inventor from a previous series. Some say that Mark is a strong candidate mainly based on his ability to sell, which he seems to be very good at. But as Daniel said in a previous episode, if AS wants a great salesman then Mark's his man. Contrasting Solomon with Mark, Mark doesn't seem to possess the diversity of a skillset that Solomon has. In fact Mark is relatively dull when it comes to ideas. He can pitch well usually, but this is a situation where AS wants the person to generate the ideas that are eventually pitched to someone. Mark can sell really well and that's where he excels. But I think AS is looking for a lot more than that, and this is why I think Solomon may possibly be a stronger candidate than Mark. |
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To be honest I'm a bit surprised that people think he IS good enough.
He's far from the worst I've seen but there's been nothing really about him that stands out. His inane and somewhat bizarre grinning when presenting, and his lack of input wasn't great for his profile and when even Daniel looks better than him on a task, you know things haven't gone great. He's ok, and competent in a number of things I'd say but nothing special. He seemed to have done fine in his pitches on plenty of tasks, and his selling is way above average, and like I said, his creativity is an important aspect of his skill set. Infact creativity is something employers look for these days, especially as it leads to innovative results. |
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That's arguably a strength though. Several previous winners haven't really stood because they were particularly good at one thing, and in fact were very steady throughout the series having a relatively quiet series compared to the star salesmen or saleswomen.
Every year when people look to the potential winner, the candidate's ability as a salesperson always seems to take main priority over everything else. It's as though we can't help looking at it from that perspective, it's almost like it's been programmed into our genes to believe that this is the most important trait for a candidate on this show. But when you look at the long list of candidates over the years, it's just about every series where the star salesperson of the series doesn't win. It seems that AS looks for a more varied skillset, and it's often some of the candidates who don't stand out so much that have gone on to win. This goes way back to series one when Tim was the winner. The very strong salespeople of each series tend to get very far in the process but don't win. In fact I can't remember the star salesperson of any series winning the show. There may be one or two, but I can't remember them. The best sellers tend to be too narrow, or suited to a different clientel , too corporate or smooth for him, or the job. Some are meant for better jobs, or they attract negative labels for strategic or tactical errors, game-playing, or being too outspoken, or there's just someone else a bit more experienced, with fewer questions, or who fits the job better. Saira, Ruth, Paul, Tre, Jim, and Claire don't win, but neither do Liz or Debra. Its more confused now because you have people who just logically have to have the skills needed for their proposal. Its essential that Bianca can present, and present herself well, in her job of training others to present themselves . Solomon needs to be able to come up with ideas, and do enough of whats needed to bring his idea to market. They can be almost invisible in tasks as long as they don't fail at what they have to do, and as long as they have the right proposal. |
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He seems immature, but in a sweet way.
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Yes he's slightly off the wall but I think he's shown good skills and would think he's a worthy winner. The Willy warmer thing is horrendous though!
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